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Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 8:23 pm

Why would anyone join 419Eater and start baiting ? Shameless Marketing Post

Ok so I needed this thread for my sig and to introduce the WTF program

I have sent a bunch of colleagues and friends to this site and I have been collecting all of their "objections" to joining 419eater and baiting.<Thanks Juan>

They ALL love what is going on here, and are particularly impressed with what some of you experienced people get up to when you "hunt in packs"
I have actually even received donations to "pay for my baiting expenses" or "help someone go premium" or "set up a"
Anything that would help to FIGHT (and promote that fight) and raise awareness of this scourge.

BUT...

People ARE squeamish about joining and baiting in particular
You can join and never bait, but still have fun fighting this scourge using your <insert lifetime of skills> to help.

I believe it is because they don't appreciate a few simple facts about how much fun it can be "hunting in a pack"

BUT - I am getting many comments about the ethics, legality, racism, regional targeting, cruelty, etc
These are all simple misunderstandings about what "we" do. The nuances at play here at 419Eater are more convoluted than almost anywhere.

- Clearly the guests have not read through 60 hours of stickies to see how we stay above board.

If done safe with some guidance it is by far the most amusing and morally satisfying thing I have done on a computer. Ever !
You can't get fired, and ignoring the little buggers is actually fantastic strategy. This is like no game you have played before.
419eater is where you learn to play it

WTF

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Inspirational quotes from below - in no particular order... Wink

TBN? - "Stuck in a wheelchair FB'ng all day, but I laughed so hard I cried @@@ but I could never do it... Have you ever tried to send a lad a... ?"

mattaz - "I wouldn't be a baiter without Eater"

Jayhawk - "Do more to combat these crimes than all of law enforcement, and I am proud to be a member" !

firehouse5 - "A group of like-minded people with the right combination of anti-scam sentiment, deviousness, creativity, patience and free time, just seemed like a natural place for me"

dr stephen williams - "I am a Good Person. I do Good Things... ...What I like about baiting is I can hurt Bad People, and feel good" !!!

TheScamHater// "...I hate, even more, people that are willing to steal from priests and from homeless refugees"

Juan Freizwidatt - "I did" (Action speaks louder than words !)

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To the Eater Community...

So why did you join Eater and start baiting ? from noob to Creator

PLEASE This will work better if is "safe for work" or even better - safe for my own mother to learn why I am not.. <insert 50 sqeamish objections to why someone would bait>
I would like to address all the squeamish objections to baiting and we are going to blow past them with humor, logic, and passion. If anyone wants to PM some quotes about "the joy of baiting" or a link to the book ? I will add

Thanks ! work in progress <this is all about misunderstandings and I already have a few> Embarassed

& THANKS !
I am editing the OP and it may <?> the posts below

FOR CLARITY - 419eater is an amazing community that can & will teach you how and why to bait... Safely

what it really means to victims if you have a x 476 beside yours ?
Has anyone ever added up all the numbers beside these icons and then multiplied it by the people who aren't even keeping track <rhetorical emoticon ?>

- victim statement examples
- other sig icons value to real victims
- crowd sourced ideas ?
- hidden siggies that have a HUGE victim effect
- origin of 419eater - proudest accomplishment ?
- what % of Eaters are female ? NOT WHICH ONES ! "actually...females are some of our best baiters, cuz..." XX
- how do you explain to your friends why you bait & why don't they ?
- a quote from a successful lad demonstrating the depth of their contempt for victims
- We are volunteers - how does this weigh up in terms of moral satisfaction - vs helping in a soup kitchen - maybe you are "shut in"
- Has anyone ever gone to bed late snickering over what you have just done ? and feeling good about your little part ?
- Has anyone ever gone to bed wishing they could use their skills to do some good, and meet some new people ?

WTF is this program ? - Wealthy Tom Fool has a few Premium Memberships to hand out to the inspired
So far I have offered Dark Shadows 1 for the eloquence and importance of his 1st post below - He may choose to pass it on to <you>

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 8:24 pm

A story about my anus...

On April 1, 2016 a friend of mine sent me an email

"I only have a few minutes before these are gone, but I have 3 really sweet laptops - do you want them ?"

They were free for a charity so my mind jumped on them ignoring his mistype
he replied that they also had one of my old commodore 64s and to check out items 1 & 7 on the list

Then sent me this link... <was from a friend so I did not hover on the link - hmmm>

http://listverse.com/2010/09/11/10-great-scam-baiting-operations/

2 months later this April Fool has 8 piggies in his bank, and can't remember having so much fun
and meeting so many humorous intelligent clever devious helpful ""s working for good !

Yes - lots to learn - like if you use the word anus instead of sweet in the email quoted above - It auto edits to "tired old crap around here" Who knew right ?

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

I guess, a todays compilation of the greatest baits just has to contain the turdboi-bait. he went further than any lad before Twisted Evil

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another very important version of the tattoo-church baits is bobjohnsons holy bison church. he got several lads to do a bison head tattoo and a text "I give BJ". BJ stands of course for bob johnson, not that what you and everyone else is thinking Wink

and then there is of course shorty... Twisted Evil

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:50 pm

Wealthy Fool wrote:

People ARE squeamish about joining

I believe it is because they don't appreciate a few simple facts about how much fun it can be "hunting in a pack"

I'm confused.

I sure don't think Eater is in any way intimidating to new members so I can't quite understand squeamishness. Not to mention, most baiting is solo, not 'hunting in a pack.' For sure there are some great mass baits but the majority of baits are by lone baiters, and I'm sure most are straight baits that rarely even get posted. Epic baits, and comedy baits, make for fun reading. But they are (sadly) the minority.

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:15 pm

"PACK"

Thank You Juan

Some read through a "sell your kidney" thread and were totally impressed as the thread warmed up with "us" picking a target.

"we almost cheered ! it was like a pack of wolves, one smelt something interesting and the pack descended... Amazing !"

Yes the baiting is solo and unspoken but that "pack" is what I am trying to sell here.
It is more about safety, resources and friendly helpful advise with the moral certainty
that comes with this place and its rules.

And it is in no way intimidating once you join. I can attest to that
There are mentors and resources that will make you feel as if you are "not hunting alone"

I got busted by my "master" wimped back to a few packs (SW/419surplus/etc/etc) left his scent and showed my blood
for marketing value - I honestly do expect some lone wolf to find him with his back turned

Our Dr Mark Hunter's gmail died for some reason - this pup who has been following his scent
went back to his old haunts found a new gmail and brought it back for the pack to see - Yes I am a pain in his ankle !

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:27 pm

^^ @JF: I have to disagree with this.
I can imagine that it's intimidating for new members to join. When I read those incredible baits for the first time (I started on Scamorama) I was quite impressed. Never thought I would be able to do this. If you see how many people register here but never participate...

With "the pack" I think WF means the community. And with this he has a point. It's fun to share your work, experience, ideas... with other members and learn from each other. I wouldn't be a baiter without Eater.

So why did I join?
Well just for the fun. I gave it try and actually it wasn't that hard. There are so many aspects in baiting that everyone can find his own way around here.
And fun it is...

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:18 am

Mattaz wrote:

With "the pack" I think WF means the community.

Good point, I hadn't seen it that way but it makes sense.

I also started on Scamorama but I had a completely different response -- I thought 'hey, I can do that!' and so I did. Wink

I only came here a few months later -- and that was 12 years ago. I think maybe I'm here to stay.

I can say from long experience, however, that it's very hard to explain the lure of baiting to a non-baiter.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:25 am

I joined from Scamorama also. I had posted a Star Wars bait there and thought eater looked like it would be fun also.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:48 am

Juan Freizwidatt wrote:

I can say from long experience, however, that it's very hard to explain the lure of baiting to a non-baiter.

Thank You ! <Hallelujah emoticon>

I was thinking it was just me

also "I did"... Yes you did ! I wonder if you started a victims saved counter on day 1 ?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:53 am

This is just my own POV - as an almost-noob who hardly even has time for straight-baiting at present - but still, regarding the objections you raise...

I think that a lot of the general public focus on the 'Nigerian' aspect and feel uncomfortable about a sort of 'colonialist' imputation. The general feeling seems to be expressible as 'these guys are the victims of historical injustice and we shouldn't be so mean to them.'

It is a historical fact that the majority of scammers of this type have come from Sub-Saharan Africa, but that doesn't mean that they all do. I am getting an increasing amount of scammers claiming to be from Vietnam, for example, with just the same silly 'pose as next-of-kin' crud as the other scammers, down to the scripts.

Even if there was a 'colonialist' aspect to this, crims of all sorts, petty and grand, all over the world always blame everyone but themselves for their predicaments. That is part of what makes them criminals. It's important to remember that scammers from wherever are absolutely ruthless and pitiless people who have no compunction at all in ruining anyone gullible enough to fall into their clutches. Some people who fall for the romance scams in particular end up meeting horrible fates when they travel to meet their new 'lover'.

So I don't see a moral issue with engaging in this activity. As long as you are, for example, collecting piggies, you are engaging in a legitimate effort to combat criminal abuse of the banking system that the proper authorities are otherwise overwhelmed by. Perhaps you will persuade a lad that it's too much trouble to bother with. Probably not. But you might tie the lad up for long enough to prevent him/her from getting a genuine mugu into their clutches...

Hope this is of some use.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:14 am

The Shiver Metimber baits brought me here. I was thoroughly impressed by all the great baits so I set some pretty high expectations for myself. I didn’t start off to great. Lads kept giving up on me and I couldn’t make it past 1 week of straight baiting. However, I slowly started to learn the ropes through trial and error because I mean, there is never a shortage of scammers out there. Slowly, I started to develop my own style of baiting. Hopefully I’m able to get a trophy out of a lad soon.

My friends ask me why I do this stuff. I then show them YeaWhatever’s response to an angry lad asking him why he put him through all this shit (From the Road to Chad bait)

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Second, you asked me why I did all this. I'll tell you why. It's mostly because I hate people that try to scam honest, hard working people out of their life savings. I hate, even more, people that are willing to steal from priests and from homeless refugees. That's right fool; I knew you were a scammer from your very first letter you sent last year. Can you believe it? That was 8 months ago. Wow. How time flies by.

If you read some of the stories told by victims. You will soon see that no matter what they tell you, these scammers are shitheads with no remorse, no morals, and make a comfortable living compared to their law-abiding countryman while their victims suffer.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 4:14 am

Dark Shadows wrote:

I am getting an increasing amount of scammers claiming to be from Vietnam

According to the way they write, are they Vietnamese? According to their IP addresses, are they in Vietnam?

There are many West Africans in Thailand and Malaysia. They may claim to be the president of a Thai bank, but when a baiter speaks Thai or Malay to them, they turn out not to know the language. Check out the SS threads.

There are lads who, by the way they write, are clearly Slavic. (There are also Slavic baiters.) There are others whose native language is Indo-European, but I can't place it.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:20 am

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According to the way they write, are they Vietnamese? According to their IP addresses, are they in Vietnam?

To be honest I haven't bothered to look into it. Unless I'm gonna try to safari 'em and/or get 'em to 'meet' my character at the airport, I seldom even bother to look up addys.

In any case, as I said above, I don't care where a scammer's from in a ethical/moral sense. They're criminals who'd cut your grandmother's throat in an instant if there was five bucks in it for them. Doesn't matter where they're located...

Still, you raise an interesting question as far as the language goes. I love ladspeak of any sort of dialect. Sometimes I think collecting their malapropisms is my main interest. Here's two of my 'Asian' lads at work. just for comparison...

Quote:

Your inheritance funds of $32.6m this is to notify you that your over due inheritance funds has been gazetted to be released, via key telex transfer (ktt)-direct wire transfer to you by the senate committee for foreign overdue fund transfer.
Congratulations in advance.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ÄNUWAT LUENGTAWEEKUL
> Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President
> ThanaChart BANK,
> BANGKOK THAILAND

(This one gave an Australian/New Zealand 'bank account' as the 'imposter trying to claim "your" funds"...)

From 'Korea':

Quote:

What I want to discuss with you is about an investment of Mr. Bilal Rabah, oil company engineer who made a fixed deposit for 18 calendar months, value at US$26.2Million in my bank of the past three years.

Upon maturity several notice was sent to him no response was forth coming, thorough investigation were made, it was discovered that Mr. Bilal Rabah was killed by a roadside bomb at Al-Hamzli, central Kirkuk, Iraq on 12 September, 2012. The money is still here in my bank where I am currently the General Manager, and all records of my bank indicate that he did not declare a kin.

They do sound the same to me, but I assumed that that was due to scripts having commodity value and being sold world-around between scammers more than lads trying to change their 'locations'. But who knows?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:52 am

Dark Shadows wrote:

It is a historical fact that the majority of scammers of this type have come from Sub-Saharan Africa, but that doesn't mean that they all do. I am getting an increasing amount of scammers claiming to be from Vietnam, for example, with just the same silly 'pose as next-of-kin' crud as the other scammers, down to the scripts.

Vonpaso's point on this is accurate. As I was delving into the academic sources and discussion on the subject of 419 recently, the consensus was fairly clear and one researcher summarized it very well by saying (paraphrased): "Nowadays not all of the Nigerian letters come from Nigeria, but the people behind them are still often Nigerians." The difference is small but crucial to notice.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:57 am

Back to some of the issues from W(T)F's original post....

I started my anti-scam interest after a number of my college friends got caught up in a pyramid investment scam. Even did some prehistoric baiting of pyramid/MLM scammers, I must admit unsafely and simplistically. I was always interested in email abuse and saw some discussions on usenet about the increase in 419scam email. While most of the discussions were about how to effectively block them (like other anti-spam efforts) I resonated more with those who tried to correspond with them.

I too was really drawn in by Shiver's baits and scamorama, and was very excited by the idea that you could do more than just play a character and correspond with a scammer for a while, wasting a little bit of their time before taunting them (ie, "burning" a bait which is definitely not effective baiting). And finding a group of like-minded people with the right combination of anti-scam sentiment, deviousness, creativity, patience and free time, just seemed like a natural place for me to spend a lot of time. Although I faded in and out of 419eater over the first 5 years I always came back.

Baiting "evangelism" only goes so far and there are many people who will just not get it. A significant fraction of people don't buy into the anti-scam effort: typically some combination of "let the authorities sort it out", "victims are stupid and deserve to lose their money", and "scammers are poor, from deprived countries and just trying to scratch out a living". Much of this can be countered with information, and by baiting I have learned a lot more that helps me better inform people around me.

But even if someone can be convinced that anti-scam efforts are well motivated, it's an even smaller group who would want to actively get involved. And of those who want to get involved and sign up here, not everyone finds baiting to their liking. Especially if you see one of those amazing, high-profile baits, come here and sign up, then discover that such baits don't come very easily. This is where the combination of patience, deviousness, creativity and free time comes in. The mentoring program, and some of the massbaits/group baits, are especially intended to help new members get up to speed and gain better understanding of scams, how they work and scammer psychology, in order to successfully manipulate them. And ideally, keeping things interesting and entertaining along the way, and this doesn't stop when a mentoring relationship ends - an important part of the forum culture is motivating eachother.

I see the signature icons as part of this group motivation effort: they provide some specific kinds of goals people can aim for, and importantly can draw attention to different aspects of baiting that may be particularly effective against scammers (piggies and flags for fake sites being excellent examples here). It's important also to mention that they are optional.

Victims.... it's essential to note that 419eater is NOT a victim support site, although victims do turn up here we are quick to direct them to our sister site Scamwarners, where the tone and content of discussions are very different. The signature icons we use (and even more so, the quotes many of us carry in our signatures) are not directed at victims, nor should they be in my opinion. You'll notice that Scamwarners staff/victim support members do not carry collections of signature icons as we do here.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:47 am

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"Nowadays not all of the Nigerian letters come from Nigeria, but the people behind them are still often Nigerians." The difference is small but crucial to notice.

Absolutely, but to me it wouldn't matter what nation it was coming from. This is not a crusade against a particular nation - it's a counteraction against criminals. Location is incidental, at least to me.

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A significant fraction of people don't buy into the anti-scam effort: typically some combination of "let the authorities sort it out", "victims are stupid and deserve to lose their money", and "scammers are poor, from deprived countries and just trying to scratch out a living". Much of this can be countered with information, and by baiting I have learned a lot more that helps me better inform people around me.

Agree, and to be honest the more I bait the more I find myself despising the scammers. They clearly hold their victims in contempt and brag amongst themselves about their takings. Of course they're probably lying about the Money, but they're not lying about hating their victims.

Many of the great baits here make you shake your head about the almost incredible stupidity of the scammers, but it's important to remember that a lad's being as dumb as a bag of hair (or two bags in some cases) doesn't necessarily preclude their being wicked...

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Especially if you see one of those amazing, high-profile baits, come here and sign up, then discover that such baits don't come very easily. This is where the combination of patience, deviousness, creativity and free time comes in. The mentoring program, and some of the massbaits/group baits, are especially intended to help new members get up to speed and gain better understanding of scams, how they work and scammer psychology, in order to successfully manipulate them.

Yep, I'm really grateful to my mentor and the program is a great idea. Great baiting is very very hard to do, and I'm full of admiration for those who can do it. It requires a master's touch especially in knowing when and where to stop. I've lost a lot of lads taking things too far too soon. It doesn't bother me that much now, though - plenty more lads where they came from.

Just to answer a question and stay on topic, I came here after lurking around the subject for months. I've got to admit that it was the Martin Coles thing which motivated me first, and that's probably how I found this excellent site. As an utter noob, I laughed and laughed over the Govenor and the Clique Mob and the Hammer of Dead ("we lost the Saw of Dead"), and one thing led to another...so it might be a tired old bait, but it has its uses to this day...

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:44 am

firehouse5 wrote:

W(T)F's

<The T is for Team>

The signature icons we use (and even more so, the quotes many of us carry in our signatures) are not directed at victims

Thank you firehouse5 !

Well put - I would offer a premium and a half for those pearls but you look pretty suited up ?
Any votes for past or previous posts in here for one ? or are you mentoring someone that could use ?

My own handle here "Wealthy Fool" may be mildly amusing here and exactly what a lad is looking for...

But is an IGNORANT handle at a SW because it does not represent a victim in any way
A dying poor man may offer his kidney as a last chance to give his family a future - that's not foolish in any way
and the lad will snicker if he has made even $250 when he hears his mugo died in a Turkish airport beside a payphone waiting for his Iranian contact to show up

Dark Shadows wrote:

...almost incredible stupidity of the scammers, but it's important to remember that a lad's being as dumb as a bag of hair...

Yes - I totally agree about the importance of that to this conversation !

To an English person they write like children and appear stupid and consequently "disadvantaged"
Would their intelligence matter if you met in a dark alley and they had a weapon, or would you worry about their street smarts and CQC basics ?
Is a 12 year old with an ak47 and no concern for humanity as dangerous as a trained solder or more ?

A % of their apparent stupidity may have a lot to do with the translators they may be using
to decipher our sometimes "stupid / confidence building" language, and then translate their befuddled responses back to us

There also seems to be an assumption that they only work on English people in "western civilizations"
In my searches for an organ grinder I set filters for various languages and countries where kidneys can be legally sold and found him
working in his native tongue and a few others

I think it's safe to say that many Guests are actually reading a scammers own words here for maybe the first time ever ?

They may have had a spam box for 20 years and were following standard state of the art IT advice "Don't open - delete - NEVER respond"
We just happen to be the .000001 % of the online population that gets a kick out of responding to fresh spam and doing something about it

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

If you ever visit 'Nairaland', a Nigerian chat website, you will be sure to come across the time honoured cry of the successful scammer, referred to ironically by fellow Nigerians who despise what their scammer countrymen are doing:

"Maga done pay. Alleluia!".

Which illustrates exactly the contempt in which the scammers hold their victims.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 11:25 am

Wealthy Fool wrote:

To an English person they write like children and appear stupid and consequently "disadvantaged"

And the world is full of non-native speakers like yours truly who could tell you otherwise. I make mistakes too and butcher grammar like cows. Do I appear stupid and disadvantaged as well?

Getting fixated on the lads' language skills and equating it with their intelligence is one of the biggest fallacies out there. You could have a genius with a writing / reading disability or just a genius who wasn't very good at studying languages. Both exist among people who are not lads. The two are entirely unrelated.

Furthermore, it has been suggested in the research that lads use this misconception to their advantage by writing clumsily on purpose and come across as more "stupid" than they are. That creates false sense of security in the victims because obviously no one "stupid" could be smart enough to scam anyone. The other benefit is that some natives find it cute: ooo, look at the funny foreigner trying to communicate. Sympathy is a strong factor here as well.

Whether or not all or even majority of them do it on purpose is irrelevant. It's this misconception that I for one would love to get rid of in the first place.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 11:47 am

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Getting fixated on the lads' language skills and equating it with their intelligence is one of the biggest fallacies out there.

Just to clarify - I love to read their weird language, but that doesn't mean that I think they're 'dumb'. Far from it - lads also have their own grasp of practical psychology and use it to their great advantage.

Here's an example of someone who got taken in by them: https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276381

They're smart all right. Cunning, anyway. Mostly...but then, as Brother Eric and Franklin Obi demonstrate, there are lads and lads...

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 11:56 am

I joined because I was promised free beer and strippers. The beer was Danish gnat's piss and the strippers were Juan and SOOI. Confused

Then I discovered I'd signed up for life

Moral of the story, always read the small print

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:20 pm

B8er "I'd signed up for life"

Someone who fully understood that 419 was a Nigerian term, and had zero misconceptions about the variety of countries scammers
come from (or who ends up in our sights) and is a veteran, saw the flags under your signature and
explained to me the military significance of "theater of operation" flags covering a soldiers heart, and has a few
interesting ones of his own...

Was reading your Banker advise to me re: rejecting accounts a lad sends...

Quote:

...your wife ran off with a <nationality> and the mere mention of the country causes you to foam at the mouth...

And not only was amused but was extremely impressed by yours and some of "your numbers"
In an abundance of respect and admiration said...

"I really like that B8er chap, he looks like a Proud Nigerian General - steps in with some brilliant tactical advise and then heads back for a beer" MBJ
Here in context with appropriate lead in, and an image showing the similarities it won't go green (i hope)

It did come dangerously close in the OP or almost until a MOD asked me to edit - They were bang on - The nuances here between what is
racism and what isn't are sometimes hard to see. If MBJ thought he made a racist comment he would turn red

"always read the small print" There is no racism here

Funny thing is MBJ is "squeamish" about baiting - He has jumped out of planes at night to do stuff he won't talk about
but when I push the subject... The need for this thread

He was a little disappointed that Eater won't allow us to kill some of them "cuz they f'n deserve worse"
but I will talk to him about providing free beer at the next "WTF is going on here" drinking session

On the subject of sig quotes...

"Am very sorry if anyway i have rude to you. Yes pets are allowed as far as you will occupy the apartment alone, you can release the Kraken"

Belongs to Jayhawk's signature line below.

Now, I am guessing that at some point when the Kraken was conceived and addressed and then finally accommodated by his lad
Jay may have laughed a little ? I'm still trying to calculate what the damage deposit on a Kraken would actually come to - I know it's about $150 for a cat
This may explain why he chose a narcoleptic for a room mate.

It is unlikely that the lad would even believe in the existence of a Kraken - more likely his translator came back with "a polite horse" Wink

But maybe Jayhawk can post an example of when the lad became a believer ?
Because as nice as we are trying to be... some are complete idiots - as in any subset of humanity
And nature made that funny for a good reason

The Agberos are not funny !

I think there are some cultural norms at play here as well ?

"Years ago" some global organization with multilingual food experts released a line of baby food in the small bottles with
cute little toddlers on them smiling - All perfectly normal to "Us"

The experts neglected one thing... Because of the vast amount of dialects in the region, there was very little writing on any of their packaging.
The locals all looked at the image on their labels to find out what's inside it. And in that reality, a bottle with a baby on it is not sound marketing
Both sides were convinced the other side were the idiots.

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/babyfood.asp < this article about that "story" is worth the read and quite relevant here

"the lure of baiting" - Lucille Ball, possibly the most intelligent and funny woman in show business, had "trouble understanding" the idea of people cheering
for a con game... Who'd buy that ? She produced the original TV Show "mission Impossible" after she "got it"

Some remarkable examples of what we are discussing here... "Con for good" - "picking on them" - straight baiting - high tech -
And Mr Phelps description of "what we do" Very Happy

https://youtu.be/gdTVtv4E0dw?t=32s

Check the video comments for time q's if you were not a fan. Mr K was a big one obviously.

It's not just the sigs - I was reading TheScamHater's post above - caught his location in the corner of my eye and spit coffee all over the carpet.

Baiting Guru Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 5727

B8er wrote:

I joined because I was promised free beer and strippers. The beer was Danish gnat's piss and the strippers were Juan and SOOI. Confused

Then I discovered I'd signed up for life

Moral of the story, always read the small print

Yeah, I got sucked in the same way, but in my case the "beer" was Mill Chill. I have to admit though that Juan looked kinda sexy in the g-string. Embarassed

SOOI could really stand to lose some weight.

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 6:37 pm

I've baited in English, French, Spanish (my native/heritage languages), Portuguese (picked up in adulthood, easy if you already know French and Spanish), and German (my fourth, encouraged by Mountain Goat after she heard my messed-up but still comprehensible German). I intentionally mess them all up, though English not as much as the others.

The dumbest lad I've baited is Daddy Mark, who not only could not figure out the spacing for several days, but didn't even recognize the same baiter, with the same baiting character and the same product list, months later! But when ordering items that don't have open-ended options like grates, he probably makes a killing. (Hopefully not literally, though some scammers do.)

Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 9:16 pm

Juan Freizwidatt wrote:

I can say from long experience, however, that it's very hard to explain the lure of baiting to a non-baiter.

Tell me about it. The few times I tried to explain Hector/Turd boi t anyone in the non-baiting world, they thought I was sick.

Truthfully, I am a Good Person. I do Good Things. I work in an area that can be rewarding (hahah, but not financially) but also very taxing. What I like about baiting is I can hurt Bad People, and feel good, because the Bad People are not stealing from Innocent Victims.

What I like about here is that I have learned a lot about a lot of things, had a lot of fun, and it is totally divorced from my real life. I have friends here, who I have never met, and I like to celebrate their successes as they celebrate mine. We all have a common enemy.

Plus, the chicks dig the sig line. Wink

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