Could you help me bait this puppy lad for evidence?

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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:36 pm

https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=279469
I'm getting the usual inaction from Namecheap and "at this time we are unable to verify the allegations of fraudulent activity based on the information provided" from Enom. So I filled out the form on the site, inquiring about a puppy. Pen wrote back, asking a bunch of questions, which I answered. Here's part of his latest response:

Quote:

We are currently living and working in Houston,TX. So we will ship, i can guess what question you have in mind right now, **Flying a Puppy: Is it safe? This question is often asked. We certainly wouldn't consider it if it wasn't. I personally asked this question to the man of the shipping company on my first attempt to ship a puppy some couple of years back, and this was his answer to me ***When we book a flight for a puppy it is only on safe, approved Airlines that has pet-safe programs that Follows USDA guidelines. The puppy will have the same air as the pilot flying the plane & someone will be there to care for & look after the puppy on and off the plane. When we go to book a flight for our pets we always call ahead and find the most direct flight available (much as if you were looking for a flight for Yourself.) Our puppies have always arrived safe and sound to their new owners, he even went further to say that it is better and more comfortable to fly a puppy on a 2-5 hours flight than drive with that puppy for 6 hours or more***.

My character is in Maryland. I'm thinking that if someone in El Paso (10 h from Houston) asks for a puppy and he pops over to Annapolis, while someone else in Lake Charles, Louisiana (2-3 h away) asks and he stays in Texas, that proves he isn't in the USA at all and doesn't know the geography.

Also if two baiters ask for the same puppy and he sells the same puppy to both, that proves he's committing fraud.

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:56 pm

I sent ba message. I'll claim to be in Louisiana Smile

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:22 pm

I can't help with claiming to be somewhere in the US, but my Netherlands-based character has sent a message:

Quote:

HELLO, I'M INTERESTED IN PURCHASING PUPPY MAX AS A PRESENT FOR MY HUSBAND. WHERE ARE YOU SITUATED?

I HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:47 am

If you still need a Texas character, I could do it. Let me know if you want me to buy a specific puppy.

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:58 am

With five puppies and four baiters, it's very likely that two baiters ask for the same puppy without any planning. And if it doesn't happen, I can bring in my other character, who is in California and has a phone number.

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:42 am

The lad sent his script:

Quote:

Hello,
I am very glad on your interest towards my male teacup Yorkie puppy.They are still available for any loving and caring home.Price is $450 for him ( including shipping ).He is well trained and good with pets and other animal.He has had all their shots and have all work papers.Please get back to me with answers to the following questions below:

1:where exactly are you located?
2: Do you have a yard that he can play in?
3: How soon do you need him and will you care for him?
4:Can you afford $450 for him
5:What's your phone number?

As long as you can make us understand that you will share the love in your homes with these puppies, we will consider placing the puppies of your choice to your home, regardless of your location, even if you are not located within a driving distance, we do consider you as an option.If you don't mind I'll like to know a bit of your family since we know you will be getting either of the puppy.if you need pictures do let us know we shall take present once for you. Looking forward reading from you.
Thanks

In response, my character wrote:

thank you for replying to my inquiry. first of all, please forgive my typing, i have a broken arm in plaster at the moment [my horse had a fall on wet ground] and it is too difficult to keep typing capital letters..

i'm happy to answer any questions. i'm living in the netherlands, can you ship here? we have a yard, and also extensive private land, plus easy access to forests. i already have two dogs, as well as many horses [and several cats], and i also employ staff to help with their care, and general duties. the purchase price is no problem to me. my phone number is +31 [baiting phone number].

i'm wanting to buy a puppy for my husband. puppy max has the sort of appearance that would immediately warm his heart, but i do need to know if max is a bold enough puppy to be happy in a busy household with many other animals.

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:39 am

Another script:

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Thank you for getting to us for the female yorkie puppies.But before we proceed here are a few issues which i will like to make you understand and possibly address them before we proceed, 1st. I do NOT place our Yorkie puppies in homes where they will just be breeding and making money without love and care giving to them like what i do or even more. 2nd. we do NOT let our Yorkie puppies go to homes where they would live outside! 3rd. We will NOT place our Yorkie puppies with anyone who has any history of child or animal abuse!! And the 4th. ALL of our new Yorkie puppy owners must take time to educate themselves on how to properly care for their unique new Yorkie child. 5th. and last but not the list, We will probably turn down homes that have a large number of other dogs. As our Yorkies crave Individual love & attention. As long as you can make us understand that you will share the love in your Homes with these puppies, we will consider placing the puppy of your choice to your home, regardless of your location, even if you are not located within a driving distance, most often the homes that are most suited for our puppies are often suited far from a driving distance so we consider shipping as an option. We are currently living and working in Houston, TX, USA. So we will ship, i can guess what question you have in mind right now, **Flying a Puppy: Is it safe? This question is often asked. We certainly wouldn't consider it if it wasn't. I personally asked this question to the man of the shipping company on my first attempt to ship a puppy some couple of years back, and this was his answer to me ***When we book a flight for a puppy it is only on safe, approved Airlines that has pet-safe programs that Follows USDA guidelines. The puppy will have the same air as the pilot flying the plane & someone will be there to care for & look after the puppy on and off the plane. When we go to book a flight for our pets we always call ahead and find the most direct flight available (much as if you were looking for a flight for Yourself.) Our puppies have always arrived safe and sound to their new owners, he even went further to say that it is better and more comfortable to fly a puppy on a 2-5 hours flight than drive with that puppy for 6 hours or more***. And that i believe so much because I know they are professionals and will deliver the puppy safely. Shipping a Yorkie puppy within the USA INCLUDES
*HEALTH CERTIFICATE
*PUPPY CRATE
*CLIMATE CONTROLLED PET CLASS FLIGHT
I ALWAYS CHOOSE TO USE AMERICAN AIRLINES PET SAFE PROGRAM LESS THEY DON'T HAVE THE MOST DIRECT FLIGHT THEN I COULD USE ANOTHER AGENCY. Keep in mind that two puppies may be shipped in the same travel kennel with no additional cost for shipping. The shipping process normally takes between 6-13 hours to complete. So the total to have one puppy over to you will be $450 and two puppies will be $900. Just get back to me as soon as you can so that we can proceed right away. waiting to read from you soon and may GOD bless you.
Thank you.

And my reply:

Quote:

thank you for your long email. It is puppy max that i am interested in, however, and he is male, isn't he? i don't want a female puppy, i already have two male dogs.

i'm not the slightest bit worried about dogs flying, my dogs fly with me every year, and i'm totally accustomed to the procedures. you only mention about flying the puppy within the usa, however, and i've told you twice that i live in the netherlands, so i need you to confirm that you will ship to here. as it is a longer flight, a night flight would be best for the puppy, so that he will sleep for nearly all the time.

i have already told you about my lifestyle, is there anything else specific that you need to know?

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:39 am

More script:

Quote:

Sounds good, my partner just went through your emails, we feel good about this so we have decided to place the puppy in your home. He is a male.
As for the paper work and shipping process, it normally takes a couple of hours to complete, though sometimes it could take a little longer, how ever the whole process hardly exceeds one whole day. After payment we will meet the shipping agent and he is gonna call all airlines to find out which of them has the most direct flight to your location then he can book the flight.
Your puppy will come with a handbook that explains more on their life styles as well as feeding, and toilet habits, some vet record which is well explained in the hand book as well as a Puppy Care Kit which includes some helpful information, that should help you facilitate the transition process in your home.
I'll advice you to get the following grooming tools within a month or two from now: Shampoo, Conditioner, Pin Brush, Nail Clippers, Ear/Pad Trimmer, Ear Lotion, Scissors. About food, I feed all my puppies Wellness dog food, Grain-free or Purina One and NuVet Vitamin's that are excellent for them. I choose to feed with these because the are relatively modest and readily available across United States and Canada at most department or grocery stores. There are many opinions on which dog food to use.
This is a decision only you can make, but keep in mind Purina has been making dog food for over 50 years and they do extensive research on nutrition and protein. Other dog foods may cost more but that doesn't necessarily means they are better.
So get back to me with the following information so I can start the flight and ownership arrangements;
Names of receiver/owner of the puppy:
Address,zip code and telephone number:
Closest airport:
Preferred hours of Pickup of puppy from airport/home:
We will begin the process and advice on how to get payment to us once you get back to us with the requested info.Looking forward reading from you.
Thanks

And from my character wrote:

hello again,

as i already have dogs, including a hairy one, i already have all necessary supplies. i agree that purina is a good dog food, but i think it is a little too high in protein for a non-working dog.

i am a little concerned about max having been fed a grain-free product, because in my experience, puppies who are fed grain-free diets, run a much higher risk of becoming gluten-intolerant in later life. what is your own experience of this?

i will be the receiver of max, and these are my details -

<details>

the owner, however, will be my husband.

our airport is schiphol, amsterdam. as i said before, a night flight would be best for max and, as i employ a driver, i can collect him at any time.

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:13 pm

Yet more script:

Quote:

Hello
Ok lets move forward.When the money is sent for him, we will go have him registered for delivery to your location and we will get back to you with the full delivery information so that you know what time he will be arriving your location/home. I got the delivery address.We are looking forward to proceeding with the paper work and shipping as soon as we receive your payment. What you have to do now is that you send the money required so that i get him registered to your information and have everything done for him to be shipped out with the next available flight to get him home tomorrow OK.He will be delivered to your home and would also come with some food stuffs.
As for the payment,the money would have to be sent through western union money order because its fast and more reliable.Moreover, there is a western union store close to us here and it will not take long for us to go get the money and proceed with the shipping of the puppy. We will also like that as soon as you send the money,everything should be done as soon as possible and you also get the puppy home ASAP.
Below is the information which you would copy,locate the nearest western union store and do a person to person money transfer:-

Bank.................... Western Union(Money in Minutes)
Amount................... $900

<details>

So once your done with the payment, you would have to email me back with the Senders Names and MTCN Number ( Control Number).

Email me back once you get this information for payment.waiting

My reply:

Quote:

you mentioned delivery to my home, and i'm a bit confused about that, i thought that i would be collecting max from the airport. really, i'd prefer to do that, as i'm accustomed to checking out dogs there, and also i can break the drive home by stopping at my mother-in-law's home, enabling max to have a potty break and stretch his legs.

what happens about the airline crate? are you expecting it to be returned? if you would prefer me to purchase it from you, i'd be happy to do that, if it is in good condition, as i will need another one for the future, when i and the dogs fly to visit my parents on shetland, which we do several times a year.

i'm happy to pay as soon as possible, though i don't think we have western union stores here, so it would be easiest to pay by bank transfer. oh, and i thought the price of max was 450 dollars, not 900 dollars, as you have just quoted. can you clarify, please?

Then .... woo! First off-script. Such that it is:

Quote:

It's fine getting Max at the airport. He will come with the crate. I will prefer the money is sent through Western union because it's close to me. The total plus delivery to your country is $900 USD and that will be all your to pay so as to get Max home.

Reply:

Quote:

well, that's fine then, if that's the price including the flight and the crate. thank you very much.

i really don't think there are any western union stores here, though, so a bank transfer may be the only option. are you not also near your bank?

I actually want to go with Western Union. But I also want the lad to try to locate it first.

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:39 pm

Actually me and my husband living in Lake Charles will be getting Max and Bam Bam.

Quote:

We are currently living and working in Golden Valley,MN. So we will ship, i can guess what question you have in mind right now, **Flying a Puppy: Is it safe? This question is often asked. We certainly wouldn't consider it if it wasn't.

I sent the initial e-mail to [email protected] and replies are coming from a gmail account. When I'm at a computer I can post the whole script and headers.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:23 am

I got the request to send money by MoneyGram an hour ago. That is when most people in Texas are asleep. I'm going to PM the name and address to a mod.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:38 am

Lad wrote:

Some extra toys, bed will also need to be included and some food stuffs so you know how to feed the puppy. it will cost $110. so the total will be $1100 USD. If your fine by it, i will give you the bank account to send the money directly into my bank account.

My character wrote:

i certainly don't want more dog toys, we have so many already here. and we have plenty of dog food, don't forget that we are experienced dog owners. you didn't answer my previous question, though, about puppies raised on grain-free food. what have other purchasers of your puppies told you about the chance of adult gluten-intolerance as a result?

if you are able to send your bank account details in good time, i will be able to call in the bank today on my way back from the hospital - i'm going for an x-ray to check that my broken arm is healing as expected. i'm looking forward to getting the plaster off and being able to go horseriding again!

Lad wrote:

They said adult gluten-intolerance is good.Ok. So you will be sending a total of $1020 USD correct?

My character wrote:

thank you for answering my question. previously you quoted a price of $900 for the purchase of max, plus the flight, and the airline crate, so that is the amount that i will pay. as i said before, i have no need of toys, food, or a dog bed.

i could have paid yesterday, as i was passing the bank, but you didn't write until it was evening here.

i look forward to hearing from you in good time today.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:16 pm

The lad wrote:

Below are the bank account details.

Account holder------<Name>
Swift code-----ECOCCMCX
Iban number-------<IBAN>

The SWIFT is for the Ecobank in Doula, Cameroon. I guess the lad hopes that my character won't realise that.

@vonpaso xlura: Would you like me to forward you that email? It has all the previous correspondence underneath it.

My character wrote:

thank you.

it's got out quite nice this afternoon after a very frosty start, so I'll get my driver to take me to the bank. I'll let you know that the money has been sent when I get back.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:24 pm

^Don't include the quoted messages being replied to, just send me each message in forward order.

How did you get a piggy out of him? He told me he doesn't do bank transfers.

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:23 pm

^ I didn't even really want a bank account; I want to play my usual rinse-and-repeat Western Union games. Still, I imagine we can move onto those.

If you want all the correspondence in simply a 'this-then-this' form, then it is all in this thread (with my character's details omitted), and it can be copied from here, and I can PM to you the Cameroon bank details in addition.

I assumed, however, that you would prefer the actual email of the bank details forwarded (to one of your baiting accounts), in which case, it does indeed include all the previous correspondence, as neither the lad nor myself deleted previous replies. You can PM me and let me know.

My character wrote:

hi, i think that you copied and pasted the wrong bank account. the banker told me that it was a bank account from cameroon in africa. of course, i told him immediately that i didn't want to send the payment there, so we stopped it. so can you send me the correct bank account, please, and i can go back tomorrow if the weather is fine.

don't worry about the mistake, i've done a similar thing before, i can never remember my own phone number so i copy and paste it to anyone who wants it, and once i sent a friend my husband's number by mistake, and my husband was really confused about why a woman from england (not even from shetland, where i come from) was calling him!

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:21 pm

The lad wrote:

Ok. The money has to be sent to my husband in Cameroon. He works for the military presently with the UNO and he says since as the money has to be sent throug bank transfer, it should be sent to his cameroon bank account.

My character wrote:

that doesn't make any sense for many reasons. i want to pay directly to you, and then you can arrange the transportation of max. so what shall i do?

by the way, i'm assuming that you are <male name>, from the payment name you gave me before. and now you tell me that you have a husband! well, congratulations, i've read that gay marriage can be very difficult to obtain in some parts of texas, so it is lovely that you and your man achieved this. long life and happiness to you!

my brother mark is gay too, and he is married to shaw, they are very happy together, they have a business in edinburgh.

The lad wrote:

the money was to be sent to my cashier but since as you talked of bank transfer, my husband said it should be sent to him in Cameroon and we have the puppies shipped from here.

My character wrote:

please, i'm sorry but i don't understand. you have a cashier? you are a business like a puppy farm? i thought that you were just a breeder of nice puppies. i don't want a puppy farmed dog, they can have lots of problems. i want a nice well-bred puppy from a small breeder, and i am prepared to pay well for one of those, as you know.

The lad wrote:

Am a breeder but i dont breed only puppies to put food on my table.i have a primary job that i have a cashier. Am not a puppy farm. am a private breeder who breeds good and healthy puppies.

My character wrote:

thank you very much for your reply, i understand now.

actually, i've discovered that there is a place for western union transfers in drachten, so would it be better for you if i went there? it's not a western union store like you said, it seems to be a gift shop that also has a western union facility. i don't know any more about it than that, but certainly i can go there and see what transfers they offer.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:10 am

I'm getting the standard script, with the Golden Valley, MN location.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:47 am

I'm going to send the next report on Saturday or maybe Friday night, so could y'all PM me what you have? BBB sent me a PM, but it's one message with fourteen nested levels of quoting. (I remove old nested quotes when replying.) Please include the From, To, and Date headers and put all the separate messages in one PM. I will redact all the baiter names to different nonsense strings of Cyrillic.

It's more important that you send the bank account info to a mod or use the reporting form. I need the SWIFT code and the start of the IBAN (if any) to show that the account is in Cameroon, but if you send me the whole IBAN, I will redact at least six digts of it (IBANs have two-digit checksums, so that's equivalent to four digits of a checksumless number).

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:13 am

^ Do you want just the lad's mails, or the baiting mails too?

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:56 pm

Both.

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:01 pm

OK! I'll do that tomorrow.

Today's exchange:

The lad wrote:

It will be better for you to go there and send the western union transfer. Below is the information which you would copy and do a person to person money transfer through Western Union:-

<details>

My character wrote:

ok, i'll take the information with me, and hopefully someone there will tell me what i have to do. i hope that there is someone there who speaks english, because i can't speak frisian or very much dutch, and my driver doesn't speak english well enough to translate properly. but i'm sure it will be ok, and i'll let you know when i'm back.

The lad wrote:

Ok. Email me the transfer detail and western union receipt once the money is sent.

Later, my character wrote:

i'm just back, the woman on the counter didn't speak english very well, but she kindly went out the back and returned with someone who was very fluent, so that was fortunate. she gave me a form to fill in, but one of the first parts i have to fill in is receiver's first name and then, separately, receiver's surname/family name. and i didn't know which way round it went, i thought that americans wrote names like scottish people do, but that looks like the wrong way round, and i was told that it was important to get it right, in case the western union there insisted on it matching the id or passport or whatever you use. so i've had to come back to ask you.

can i have your phone number please, so if i have a question again, i can just phone you, and not have to come all the way back home to send an email.

thanks.

And then, an hour later, she wrote:

i've waited for you to reply to me with the information, so i could go back to drachten, but it's got too late in the day now, sorry.

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:37 pm

The lad wrote:

Just put the names exactly as you see them below.Below is the information which you would copy and do a person to person money transfer through Western Union:-

<details>

My character wrote:

i can't put the name like that because i have to divide it into personal name and surname/family name. so i need to know which is which, please.

The lad wrote:

Personal Name: N—
Surname/family Name : J—

My character wrote:

ok, thank you very much.

may i have your phone number, please, just in case i have any further questions.

The lad wrote:

281-603-<number>

Then he wrote:

Once the money is sent, do email me the senders names and the mtcn number and also snap the western union receipt and email it to me.

My character wrote:

thank you. am i correct in thinking that i have to add +1 in front of that number, in order to phone america?

i will be sending the money myself, my full name is <name>.

The lad wrote:

Correct. Ok once you send the money, do email me the info and also snap the western union receipt and email it to me.

My character wrote:

ok, i'll do that. thank you for your help with this.

And then, later, she wrote:

it was busy in drachten today. the woman who spoke english wasn't there today, but another customer helped me. i couldn't pay the money with my bank card, though! apparently you have to take cash to a western union facility, i'm sorry, i didn't know that.

the cashier also said that i can't send the money in dollars, i've got to bring it in euros. i don't know how much $900 is in euros, though i expect it is more than i can withdraw from the atm anyway, so i'll go in the bank and ask what it is in euros, i didn't have time to do that today, because my father-in-law is coming for the six o'clock meal, he'll be here soon, earlier than my husband gets home [he has a bike shop, just as a hobby really], so i needed to get back.

i'll get it paid though as soon as possible, it will still be paid out to your cashier in dollars.

i was going to phone you about all this, but then i realised that i didn't know your name, and i thought it could be your office phone, and i'd need to ask for you by name. so can you let me know your name, please?

The lad wrote:

Ok. It will be close to 880 Euro. So that is what you will be sending.My name is Elton T—. Just ask with your bank the amount in euros.

My character wrote:

hello elton,

yes, i will check with the bank about the exact amount, i want to make sure that i get it right. thank you for your guidance, though.

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:05 am

Thanks, y'all! I put all the emails into one file, but still have to obfuscate the baiter and mule names. If Namecheap won't listen to that, they need a cluebat.

Annette, not understanding what MG is but understanding a postal address, mailed a check. The lad within five minutes asked for the reference number. She's going to send the check number.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:37 am

The lad wrote:

Hello, are you there?

My character wrote:

hello elton, i wasn't online when you wrote yesterday, we were still having our evening meal at that time. did you want to ask me something?

actually, i was looking back through your emails, and i realised that you never answered an important question of mine. as you know, we already have two dogs, so we need a bold puppy who will enjoy playing with them. one is a staffordshire bull terrier, and the other is a german shepherd type crossbred. is max the sort of outgoing puppy who would fit in well with them?

The lad wrote:

Wanted to know if you sent the money because I didnt hear back from you. Max is the sort of out going puppy who will fit in well with them. He is very playful and loves the company of kids and other pets.

My character wrote:

hello elton, oh good, i'm glad to hear that about max.

i'll let you know as soon as i send the payment, i have to go to the bank first and withdraw the cash. yesterday was the last saturday before st nicholas, so i figured it would be extremely busy in drachten, so i didn't attempt to go then. it's better to go when it is quieter.

The lad wrote:

Since as there is a delay in sending the money, can you just send the money directly to my names. I told my secretary that you were to send the money since Thursday and today is Sunday but nothing. So he is not around now. So I prefer you send the money to my names as below.

Personal name: T—
Surname/Family Name: Elton

Once you send the money, do email me the western union transfer details.

My character wrote:

oh sorry t—, i thought your name was elton, you know like elton john!

yes, of course i can send it in your own name.

The lad wrote:

My names are as below. So I prefer you send the money to my names as below.

Personal name: T—
Surname/Family Name: Elton

My character wrote:

yes, i said i would.

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