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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:51 pm

Less than a month into my new hobby, I feel most comfortable straightbaiting, fishing for bank account information. I'm moderately succesful with that. As an experiment, I've tried to convince one lad that I am a scammer myself, part of an organisation/network with tremendous recources, only targeting the very rich.
We are looking to expand our network, and my lad is just the perfect recruit. Very Happy

He seems just a tad suspicious, but so far he is following my instructions.
Email exchange:

In reply to a standard loan offer, I replied:

Erwin.xxx wrote:

Dear "Albert",

I know you try to scam me. Don't worry, I don't care and I don't feel insulted or anything, but I will not play your game. As a matter of fact, I can help you to be more successful in your scamming, to both our benefit.

Let me know if you're interested.

Best regards,

"Erwin xxx"

His reply:

Albert wrote:

thanks for you mail,i want you to know that am not a scam, however i
will also love to hear what you have to say, i want to see if i might
be interested.

Erwin wrote:

Dear Albert,

Please don’t tell me you’re not a scammer, because I’m a scammer myself. It takes one to know one.
Your set-up is to promise me a cheap loan and then have me send you money to cover legal fees, transfer fees etc. over Moneygram or Best Western. You will collect this money and your target will never see his loan, just an endless line of obstacles and fees to be paid for by the customer. I know this, because I have been doing it for years, although I used a number of bank accounts to lend the whole process more plausibility.

What I’m going to tell you must be treated confidentially. Of course my real name is not Erwin Noordam. I’m sure yours is not Albert either. The email account I’m using is only one of my dozens of accounts under fake identities, as I’m sure you have. Nevertheless it’s important that you don’t share the information I will be giving to you. You can’t be too careful in this line of work.

Three years ago I got in touch with an organization/ network, more or less in the same way you got in touch with me. Pure coincidence. This organization does the same thing you’re doing and I was doing, but in a much more professional way. We only target the very rich and leave the small crumbles, the insanely stupid, to the likes of you (and me, in an earlier stage of my career).
It’s a medium sized but efficient organization. I don’t have the overall numbers, but it must be tens, maybe hundreds of millions of euro’s per year we’re raking in. I know I have earned close to 650.000 euro per year, since I was invited to join them.

We have extensive contacts in the banking and legal world, we employ lawyers and financial experts, psychologists and profilers (to help us “understand” our targets to get the maximum amount of money out of them), website builders/ designers to create believable websites for non-existent charity organizations, NGO’s, companies that allow for great “business-opportunities”, churches to donate to etc. etc.

We have all this and only a small amount of specialists like myself that have the skills to use it. So basically we are looking to expand our team. When you pass our tests, we can offer you to become a part of our team, or if you rather work alone you can use our network of specialists, our websites, bank accounts: you name it, we provide.

Need a good, believable website for your loan company? We can provide it. Need a secure bank account in Europe or in an overseas tax haven, we can give you one of ours, or create one for you within 5 working days. Need advice on one of your targets, we will send the email conversation to one of our psychologists/ profilers and he will assist you. (These guys are unbelievably helpful) You have credit cards details (name, number, CVV code) we will help you extract the maximum amount of money from them. (Not my specialty and I’m not sure how it works, but I know we have our experts for that too).

I can go on like this for hours, but let me warn you in advance: all this know how is not for free of course. These specialists, websites and bank accounts need payment. There will be fees for the services we offer (usually a small standard fee plus a percentage of your profits). All will be explained in more detail in due time. For now it's nothing to worry about.

Now, the question is: are you interested?

He came back:

Albert wrote:

Thanks for your well written and well organize business proposal, its a very tempting offer i am very well interested but the issue is that am not ready to pay a dime, yes of course i will always give you guys
your percentage, but the fee am not paying, after all fees are what
make what we do a scam, so brother don't try to scam me.

I just knew he was going to get hung up on that fee-business, so I had my reply ready:

Erwin wrote:

Looks like you've already passed the intelligence test. Wink

I think you understood me wrong: you never pay before the service (fake website, psychological advise, whatever). Fees are calculated differently, depending on the kind of service rendered, but are always calculated with a fixed and a variabel part based on profits, and never more than 15% of the profits (with some exceptions). Always to be paid AFTER you got your money out of the deal. It's a matter of trust. And trust has to grow.

You are very careful which is a good sign already. You are definitely not an idiot like a lot of your colleagues. We are careful too. It's a wicked game we're playing, with wicked people playing the game. You're not in yet. Think it over for a few days and get back to me when you're really interested.

He didn't need a few days, came back after an hour or so.

Albert wrote:

thank you very well for the fine forensic analysis, am very much interested to work with you guys, how do we start?

Now I needed a few days to reply.

Erwin wrote:

Sorry for the late reply: I have been busy ripping off an old lady. Very profitable, this one. She has transferred a substantial part of her life-long savings to a non existing dog clinic in Portugal. We've been working this one for months; it finally paid off. Now we're going after the rest of her money.

Anyway, I will be discussing your application with a few other members. I'm sure they will have some questions, before we continue. If you'd like to be anonymous for the time being we will respect that, but at one point we will definitely be needing your true identity, bank account details (to share profits) etc. So if you like you can give this information in advance (it will speed up your application), but if not that's fine.

Let's start with a small questionaire. Again: questions you don't feel comfortable with you can just leave open. Please don't give false information, though. We will know if the information you're giving us is real or not.

1. Name.
2. Age.
3. Country, city, address.
4. Email address to use for your application (this one, or do you prefer another?)
5. Bank account details.
6. Picture ID and/or an actual picture of yourself with a sign that says, clearly written: "Applicant"
7. Specialty (loan scams?).
8. Annual scamming profits (estimated).
9. Are you working alone, or in an organisation.
10. Any other information you might feel worth sharing with us.

Hope to hear from you soon. I have a good feeling about you.

His reply, two days later (today):

Albert wrote:

1. Name. Lucky Odia
2. Age. 24
3. Country, city, address. Nigeria, Delta state but lives in lag
7. Specialty (loan scams?). yes
8. Annual scamming profits (estimated). 500,000 NGN
9. Are you working alone, or in an organisation. alone
10. Any other information you might feel worth sharing with us. no

Next step is to introduce him to my "network" of fellow scammers and to drive him crazy with aptitude tests, intelligence tests, questionnaires and a few hundred emails with questions from different senders.

I was going to create a bunch of accounts to do this myself, but than I started thinking again... this would mean a lot of work and organization skills that i don't possess, sorry to say.

Anybody interested to join up, imposing a Dutch or German proffesional scammer, and bury this guy under emails and tests, please don't hesitate to send me a PM. All other comments on this little game-plan are more then welcome.

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:58 pm

It appears that you have very willing scammer on the line almost ready to supply a trophy or go on a safari. Have you considered WIMPing him? BRUIN has a great modality here:

forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160602

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:49 pm

$2500 a year? Hope he has another job.

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:44 pm

This looks really interesting - a good twist. You have the opportunity to give him some really good slap downs. You've done a good job of building him up, now you can spank him down.... then come back nice of course.

Maybe you can use other email accounts as others needing to speak/test him from your organisation. Perhaps good cop, bad cop scenario. Maybe one other character thinks he is an idiot, but you think he'll be OK. He'll need to prove himself to the tougher assessor.....

Photos of course will be needed for you to provide fake ID for him. passports etc.

Perhaps you'll need him to prove himself on a scam. You set him up with a rich old person (one of us on here) and he has to successfully scam them to show he is good enough. You of course can mentor him through with your network of profilers and experts...... we of course will tell you what he is saying and you can tell us what you want us to say.... might be fun!..... well for us at least Laughing

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:54 am

Not too bright, this lad.
Found his profile on Facebook. Pretty sure it's him, because one of his (two) connections is an Irene Odia (his sister, probably) living in Warri, Delta State, Nigeria. Bingo!

Foolish boy. He looks so innocent!

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 2205

I agree with Connie, good potential for a WIMP with such a willing lad.

Looking forward to see how this plays out. Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:21 am

Just hoping that I don't F this up. High expectations make me nervous. Wink

What is a WIMP?

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:57 am

Search is your friend-but here's BRUIN's published bait with WIMP:
https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160602&highlight=wimp+bruin

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:59 am

WIMP is a baiting modality which BRUIN invented, I don't know 100% how it works to be honest so you maybe better off using Connie's link to see an example WIMP bait.

ETA- Capone typed faster Smile

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:36 pm

European Scammers United decided to throw a test case at my boy, to see if he will fit the organisation. I guess I took chickendipper's advice.
The target is an old half-senile lady with an unhealthy love for dogs, especially poodles, just dying to throw money at any dogshelter in the world. Time is short, because ESU sources reported that the poor lady's family is looking for ways rob dear old "Margriet" from her right to do anything she wants with her money. (not sure what the english, legal term is for this)

The lad took his time. I thought he dropped me because I dragged him out of his comfort zone too far. Got tired of waiting and sent him an ultimatum:

Erwin wrote:

Lucky,

If you don't contact her before tomorrow noon, we will just have to presume you're not interested in our offer.
It would be a shame, but then we will have to move on to our next prospect.
Understand that we are a professional organisation. This kind of delay is unacceptable. The woman is not getting younger and we need to get our hands on her fortune before the family decides she's no longer able to take care of her financials herself.

If you don't scam her, we will.

Best regards,

Alfred.

An email with an apology followed soon, and then there was another three days of silence, before I saw this email in my inbox (I asked him to put me in BCC, so I could monitor his progress. Of course the email he's hitting is one of mine)

Brooke wrote:

Dear/Madam

NIGERIA ANIMAL RESCUE TEAM

We humbly wish to request your generous donation to aid our aim to rescue and preserve animals, we are from the Nigeria animal rescue group and we keenly seek you support through donations to our
organization.

DEVELOPMENT IN THE ORGANIZATION

The need for the donation, amount others is to create awareness on the importance of animal rescue and to build facilities for for this animals and to also cater for them, the expected goal of our fund is
around 250,000 euro to 500,000 euro, you donation will really be appreciated and God will really bless you for your kind heart.

Kindly get back to us for details on how to make a donation for us.

The lad got help! For sure he didn't write this. Not that it is of superb quality, but at least better than he can manage.

This I received two days ago. Didn't get around to formulate an answer yet.
Also, he's expecting comments from his mentor. Of course all I am going to try to do is to de-educate him, but I find this harder to do than it sounds, without giving myself away.

Let's see how this evolves. Later on I'm going to introduce the rogue ESA member, who will offer him a side business the other members don't need to know about. Testing his loyalty and hopefully leading to a nice WIMP.

I think, as an initial response, I will have the lady introduce her poodles, Muffin and Shaft, to the lad. The latter belonged to the poor woman's dead brother. The trophy pics will read: "I'd like to caress your Muffin" and/or "I love to stroke your brother's Shaft".

Or would that be a tad too much?

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

I think the English legal term you are looking for with regard to relatives taking control of an old 'semi-senile' lady's finances is "Power of Attorney ".

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:30 pm

Yes, that's the one.
Thanks.

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:03 am

I would love to participate in this if you have open slots

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:43 pm

If you want, I could be some foreigner - I speak German so there's a sure fire way to fuck with your man and to waste some of his time Wink

Just pm me and let me know - happy to help Smile

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:59 pm

I'm happy to be in too if you like.

I'm happy to play any role but really I like playing corrupt bankers or (non corrupt) church ministers.

Drop me a PM if you're interested.

JJ

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