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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

Let me ask my question first and then I will tell u about my scam experience a bit. I have not found the answer to this in 6 yrs of chatting with dating site scammers. Where do they all get the same identical, almost verbatim scam stories from. Someone has got to sell a book or literature or something somewhere. I have chatted on Messenger with close to 300 dating scammers. Yea 300. I know every scam story inside and out. But really they only use about 6 basic stories, then another 3 or 4 that are not as popular and then maybe 2 that are for the smarter scammers. I know all these people can't know each other. I mean I play them out till the end and they all say the same things almost in the same order that I'm not going to list all. The biggest one is I have heard over 200 of them tell me that their parents were killed in auto accidents lol. Does anyone know where they get the same scam stories they all use? And I see the same popular 25 pics used and then another 25 that are used a little less. Again the same ones over and over but I have noticed of late they are starting to use fake pics from unknown women more so u can't use Tineye or google image search to see they are fake. Anyone with any answers this is killing my curiousity. And yea I have googled it and found nothing as I don't think that someone that writes a scam book would put it on a web site for sale. lol Pat

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:39 pm

Welcome Rookie 3425,

You are absolutely correct in your statement about most of these scams being the same. A few of the details may change, but the basics generally don't. Even the details you mentioned may change--for example, sometimes mom is still alive and is dying, or parents divorced and dad abandoned them for a new family, etc., There are also definitely more than 50 sets of photos out there--though there are a couple dozen that are used far more than others. But the reality is, when you take away the trappings, you see the same core scam over and over again.

There is no "book" but as you have noticed, the info gets around. This happens in several ways, but the most common are below:
-Some scammers do work in organized gangs, with bosses and employees. These scammers often use the same script across the group.
-Just as other illegal industries have their own hidden networks, so do scammers. There are people who sell scripts and photo sets to scammers, as well as other tools (e.g., software to fake webcam, photo editing, mailing lists of potential victims.)
-There is definite truth to the expression "no honor among thieves." Scammers approach people in large numbers, and they often hit other scammers in their approaches; plus, many of the same internet cafes are used by multiple scammers. If a scammer finds a script he likes, whether it was sent to him, he found it on a computer, or he simply found it online--he won't hesitate to steal and use it.

edited for grammar

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:33 pm

I'm sure that with 6 years of experience baiting the romance lads, you are taking the proper precautions, but all the same, I want to make sure. You are baiting safely, without giving the lads any of your real life details, right?

Welcome to Eater.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

No Big X even at the start when I first started getting on dating sites as a nieve rookie I new something was wrong and learned quickly. I don't give any personal info out at all. But I do have to give my email in order to contact them or they contact me.

Edited name used on another forum -bware419ers

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

rookie3425 gave u my name from another site.
Pat

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:54 am

I edited the name you use on another forum for safety reasons. FYI, you can go back and edit your last post.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

I hope this goes to Dorothy. Usually to reply to someone the reply button is under the persons reply. anyhow, I understand everything u are saying Dorothy but I have chatted with almost 300 scammers probably from all over the world but from what I can tell alot of them are in the US because I play them all right down to the end letting them think they are getting a Western Union that day. The usual play time with them is at least a week but some are in such a hurry to get the money I get rid of those. some are from the UK or alot on dating sites from Ghana more than Nigeria by far now. I know Nigeria used to be the scam capital at one time but I really get very few that I know are from there now in Africa it is Ghana. Anyhow, I still feel these people are independent people just an average person. Maybe I am wrong. So, if they are I just don't see where this individual scammers know where to get the script from. I mean where is it advertized for a one person scammer to get the info??? I really feel that most I have chatted with are of this type and not organized but I may be wrong. I have played scammers from anywhere to $100 to $20,000 and everywhere in between right up till they think it is coming lol. Like u know these same common 6 stories I hear time and time again are so alike I just dont get it . I mean it is verbatim and usually the stories go in the same chronological order of the story they give. And if I ask a question I get the same scam answers like they are already prepared for the question from reading something. I see the same quotes about love being used. It is just amazing how this is done??? I don't see how all these people say the exact same things. rookie3425

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

bware419's Thanks rookie3425

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:53 am

rookie3425 wrote:

from what I can tell alot of them are in the US because I play them all right down to the end letting them think they are getting a Western Union that day.

What evidence are you using to decide that this is the case?

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:42 pm

B8er was being more tactful--I'll be a bit more blunt. You seem to be drawing some pretty significant false conclusions. It's safe to say that the majority of scammers you believe to be in the US are NOT. In fact, odds are very good that some of your "different" scammers were actually the same lad, using different characters.

The US most certainly has its share of homegrown scammers as do other countries. But the writing and stories of a US scammer will generally NOT have the same cookie-cutter storyline as that used by African scammers. I will not get into an in-depth explanation of why, just suffice it to say that certain aspects of these scripts are based on the norms of the society in which the scammer lives or was raised, and American society is different enough from African societies that the scripts will NOT look the same

I certainly did not say they were all in Nigeria, though. A large percentage of them will indeed be located in Nigeria, Ghana, and Malaysia (where there is a significant number of Nigerian scammers) but they can be located all over the world.

A scammer is not going to tell you to wire money anywhere he can't get it. So if he tells you to send it to the US, no need to bluff to see if he means it--he does. But I'm guessing that (or IP's) is where you have taken your leap and made some wrong assumptions.

All a scammer needs is a mule to collect your money and forward it him. As more and more potential victims learn not to walk away as soon as the scammer mentions a country in Africa, more and more scammers have switched to the use of mules in the US and Europe. Mules are recruited every single day using job scams and/or other romance scams, and it is not uncommon for multiple scammers to share a mule (again, either working together or for a price.)

Here is a perfect example of mules recruited in a romance scam. These women collected well over a million dollars for a gang of scammers in Nigeria.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101532058

There are thousands of examples of fake jobs that are actually recruiting money mules over at scamwarners.

As for relying on IP addresses: Gmail, microsoft, and sometimes even Yahoo strip the originating IP from emails sent through their web-based applications. When this happens, you will see the company's American servers in California or Washington as a location. It is meaningless.

It's good that you are not giving you out too much personal information--but it's not wise to use your normal personal email when corresponding with people you meet on dating sites. The last thing you need is an angry scammer (or even an angry legitimate person) reporting your address for spamming, signing you up to some not-so-nice subscriptions, or even spoofing your address as the "from" address in a round of mass-mailed scams. The best thing to do is to open a new email address, not traceable to yourself, that is specifically for your dating site contacts. Then if you do have a problem down the road, you can just close it and start fresh without having a lot of problems.

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:11 pm

Perhaps this will help the OP:

https://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5351

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 13 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

well, thanks alot. Although I have chatted with many on Messenger as I say close to 300 now the ones that I am feeling are in the US which is about 65% of those I talk to give me an address for a Western Union in the US but it is always someone elses name they give to pick up the money. Usually a man. I'm guessing because the name they are giving me is a false name of course so they cannot pick it up because of that and they of course always have an excuse as to why they can't pic it up and someone else has to. B8er u sounded a little hot under the collar. Calm down lol. U probably know more about me. I am just now finding sites like this and like I say this is all my own experiences so far. Dorothy I do appreciate ur knowledge. I know this may make some of u mad but I still feel that alot of the women I am chatting with are on there own here in the US. But on the other hand I have not chatted with more than one or two that had proper English writing, spelling and grammar. The very first giveaway of a scammer I think. I usually know in less than 30 seconds but still love to mess with them and really grill them sometimes and laugh at the answers I get to my questions. U all know this already. Thanks. More comments are welcome even B8er. Just teasing u man lol. all in good fun here I hope. Pat

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:52 pm

Wow, so asking you a reasonable question is being hot under the collar. Rolling Eyes

I think that Dorothy's answer has shown you how naive your assumption that US address = US scammer is. Not to mention the fact you think you are chatting with women.

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

stupid idea:

similar to an asem: send a mail to tons of lad, thanking him for the money transfer (huge sum), and there is the whole new script for the customer. accidentally sent to the wrong lad (actually hundreds of them).

of course, the script contains tons of hints and deeducations for actual victims. I would go for names of antagonists from various tv-series, the shyster, ps = post scrotum and various other funny things.

and then monitor scamwarnes and the catchers when the script pops up.

of course, there is always the chance that a lad gets in touch with a victim, which sends him money based on that script. but at least the chance is smaller than a lad who sends his own script.

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:25 pm

@B8er I'm sorry but I think that a brand new user is going to have some naivety when they've only just been here a matter of hours. We have to be nore tactful when a new user has just joined and is themselves asking a serious question. I'm sorry but that was a quite a rude response to a brand new user.

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:48 pm

rookie3425 , while you may have baited around 300 lads, Dorothy addressed many of your comments here. Perhaps you missed the post or chose to ignore it. Dorothy and B8er, certainly, have experience with many times the number of scammers you have. They speak from this experience. Many scammers will give a US name and address for receiving a WU transfer. As Dorothy clearly stated, these people are often mules and vicitms of another scam, not the scammers, themselves. It would be idiotic for them to risk imprisonment in the US collecting the money, when they can risk the freedom of someone that will launder the money for them, knowing or unknowingly.

Oddly, this is the second time this week I have heard people claiming women in the US are the majority of romance scammers. While it is undeniable that they do exist, their formats are much different than those you refer to in your original post. Dorothy referenced this, also.

Going back to the original question of scripts, one time, I purposely contacted various lads and posed as a romance scammer sending scripts full of de-education. Wouldn't you know it, I contacted them from another baiter account and they used those same scripts on me. Lads are lazy and they take the easy way out. Why work on an original script when it is so easy to grab one from someone else?

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