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calvin
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've been trying some small scale (non-scientific!!) experiments with our cash seeking colleagues. (Much credit for motivation goes to the Boss)

1) I tried 3 different ASEMs to see just how much information was needed to elicit a response. The chief result is - not much information at all.
The smallest mail I used which was surprisingly sucessful was 7 words (6 and a number - I'm calling it 7)-

Quote:
Mike,
Is £3450 ok? Which account?
Nick


That mail had as many responses as a long preamble about the reasons for the £3450.

2) I ran some loan lad vs lotto lad comparisons - lotto lads are lazier than loan lads was the main result there and

3) I have been trying to see how outlandish replies can be before they give up & move on.

After around 85 mails banging on about WU with Mr A I gave up and decided to use single word replies.

The last 10 replies to him have been yes, no, yes, understood, why, chill, tomorrow, done, no and finally ? after which he gave up & surrendered a piggy ...

Mr S is Bulgarian and seems to rely heavily on Google translate. After 23 mails of varying nonsense I decided to reply in kind.

MrS:

Quote:
you want the loan to me?


Elizabeth (my character):

Quote:
Dear Mr S,
Of sure the business to loan certain,
Ask not what your country can do you for you but whether the transaction needs be urgent on speedy.
Send please details payment account rush hurry risk free?
Elizabeth


MrS:

Quote:
give me
Loan amount: ...........................................
Repayment Period: ..........................


Elizabeth:

Quote:
Dear Mr S,
Never in the field of human conflict has someone so dumb met someone so happy to waste their time.
Payment proplus claritin amount per £7545 agreed performing was. BUT - preamble persona funds rapid speed must hurry quick.
Cyclic transfer reaction period 4 years old today hooray!! balloons and jelly.Presents.
Helpful must be this to one so fatuous,
Elizabeth


MrS - Western Union blah blah

Elizabeth:

Quote:
Dear Mr S,
Made on without before . Western of outside union because.
In of the truth - fourscore years ago and ten should reveal no union of western. evil full therein.
account of the bank land in heliosphere usefulness, torrid upstairs happenings- oeer misses.
so - bank or deal there will be none,
Elizabeth


MrS:

Quote:
Hi Madam
I just read you and I want to tell you that I do pale notmuch
If you want money do I ask you don't worry mapalready you my card for confidence
Mercia to send feedback to check if you have me paythe € 98.
cdlt


Elizabeth:

Quote:
Dear Mr S,
It is better to have loaned and lost than never to have loaned at all don't you think?
Perceptive albumen though preside in repayments made with bank account only.
Lesser joy in forceps per-se for the transfer. Union of westerns only for Mr Wayne & the kid, Billy.
In abscentia withdraw hallowed freedom. arriveth the train - choo choo!! ALL ABOARD!,
Elizabeth


At this point a piggy emerges !!!

As a thank you for the piggy Elizabeth replies:

Quote:
Dear Mr S,
Sausage casserole forthwith together in arms but alas poor kciroy, I knew him backwards Horatio ...
There being pocketless shrouds probed of bank, misty green waters tell no tales. Avail oneself akin to probate, whiskers aplenty, knees akimbo.
"Rosanna"! declares my puppy - we're not in Kansas now. Aunty Em Aunty EM!!,
Elizabeth


MrS last message to date:

Quote:
Mrs.
I do not understand you to be clear about in your sentence


It seems that Elizabeth can't shake him off.

The result of this one seems to be "I haven't found the limit yet" ...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Has it caused you to re-work your ASEMs?

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calvin
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ah - forgot the follow-up.

Experiment 4.

Customised ASEMs

I tailored 3 asems to different scams - one for loans, one for lotto & one for AFF's. The 7 word asems above gathered a reply rate of about 4-5 in 20 with perhaps 3-4 pigs out of them - my baseline.

The tailored asems were way more effective. The first loan lad batch had a reply rate of 12 in 20 with around 7 pigs gathered. Lesser stats for the lotto lads (who were lazy - per above) - from memory - 6 from 20 with 4 pigs. The AFF batch is still work in progress but is looking to be somewhere in the middle.
I'm guessing here (more experienced baiters please correct me) but I think that there seems to be an increase in loan lad activity with Christmas coming and they can smell blood in the water. They were replying to the first mails before the last one had been sent.

Obvious caveat here - small sample sizes, no scientific procedure, not very experienced baiter etc etc etc.

Edit: lotto lads are lazier than I thought following a recount

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

calvin wrote:
not very experienced baiter etc etc etc.

Quote:
Closed lad accounts Closed lad accountsx 68 x 462


Rolling Eyes

Looking at the responses above, this is supposed to come from a "straight baiter?"

Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:11 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ Really, WTF? Now I feel like a real piker...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

This is good research.
A short message, with the words money and account, will close many more.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

You had me at balloons and jelly. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I love the experimental approach, really useful to see what pushes their buttons. And also useful to know what does not work so well.

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