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Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Are you saying we'll get to see the tattoo on Obi, who is pretending to be Onuoha? So, his face would need to be in the tattoo pic, too, for us to be able to pin him down. Or, am I missing the point?

'Cos as sure as God made little apples, "Onuoha" will keep his face out of the pic, won't he?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:25 pm

Well....there might be a way to make sure that the real Oanuha gets the tattoo. It could be suggested that he will have to wear the "Holy Lamb" on his left cheek. A miniature of course, but yet......

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:28 pm

As Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard said: Engage! Laughing

Obi/Onuoha to father Nectarie:

Quote:

father Nectarie,

Happy Easter and i hope all is well over there...?

Actually, The truth is that I expected to hear back from you answering my questions and explaining the things i asked you in my previous message to you... And yet i can not still understand why it is so difficult for you to do that.

Anyway, I believe that if you really want to be sincere to me as you told me earlier, You will do the right thing by answering my questions truthfully and honestly.

Thanks and May God continue to bless and elevate the entire Household of the MUIE Church.

Father Onouha.

Father Nectarie:

Quote:

Dear Onuoha,

It is Great Friday, before the Holy feast of Easter.
Let's be optimistic and let us look confidently ahead! As did our Redeemer, Jesus, as Holy Lamb and the single son of God!

I have high hopes and high expectations ... just together we can solve all problems!
We will talk next week, after our great Holy Celebration.
Happy Easter, my son!

Be blessed!
father Nectarie

Onuoha

Quote:

Nectarie,

I am still looking out to hear from regarding my questions and my previous conversations with you.
I hope to hear from you soon.

Father Onouha

Father Nectarie

Quote:

Onuoha, here's wishing you a bright and shining Easter filled with family and friends. Make the most of the extra time to enjoy each other as you live and laugh together. May this blessed celebration of Easter bring you faith, hope, love and joy. Greet the miracle of Jesus's Resurrection with joy and happiness!

Returning to our discussions:

"- What is the church's current status with Robert Umzali..?
- Remember it was same you who told me that the MUIE Church was going into a special project with Umzali.. a stranger who was never part of our initial plans?"
Rev. Bob Umzali is a friend of cardinal Gherasim.
The Wolf is responsible for the orphanages and church charity activities, He is the head of our church and we can not oppose to his will.
When you quit the church, this man (Umzali) was our only hope there in Nigeria. He promised to modernize the orphanage with that money.

"- Now why did you still chose to work with me after you have stressed and humiliated me and the parishioners i worked so hard to gather for our new muie branch..?"
So far I have not chosen anything, because the decision is not mine nor yours. My plan is based on you because I know you and I want to carry on the late Eduard desire. Gherasim does not want anything but orphanages and charity. We do not know exactly what the situation is, because he does not tell us anything.

"- I want proves and pictures to show that you really visited Nigeria as you said."
I don't have pictures. Our situation there was not very good, so Pafnutie was not thought about it. So, no pictures, sorry.

"- Now, what about that late Obi's 50,000 euros which was willed to him by our late Father Eduard..??... Before Obi's death, he instructed me to make sure i collect late Eduard's urn and his inherited 50,000 euros."
That money went to rev. Umzali. And will be used for the orphanage. It was the decision by Gherasim after you have left the church. Sorry, but your decision.

Be blessed,
father Nectarie

Onuoha

Quote:

Nectarie,

I have read your email and it's somehow that you traveled all the way to Nigeria and you couldn't take a single picture to prove where you really went..?... Oh that feels like a big lie.

I am wiling to work and see that late Eduard's wishes comes to past, But i want the church to bear in mind that thise time, i refuse to work for nothing, I will not work without being paid because ever since i started working for the MUIE Church, I have never gotten paid.
And that's very bad of the church.. It feels as if you people are using us and our precious time without no benefits.

Well, I do not know what to say to you as it stands now but bear in mind that who i know we started this project with was IPS Eufrosie and not Gherasim. So please let Gherasim mind his orphanage works and let's we and Eufrosie work towards this as we promised to do for late Eduard.

I am just tired of different stories coming up again.
It makes things look as if someone is playing the other for a fool here..

Please correct me of this very bad impression i have gotten from you all so far.

Onouha..

Father Nectarie

Quote:

I do not know what to say.

- MUIE church paid the money every time.
- it is true that money was stolen, but the church paid.
- it is not fair to accuse us that we did not want to pay! It is unfair!
- even if old cardinal Eufrosie was healed, The Wolf Gherasim remained head of the church.
- it is true that Eufrosie has yet some influence, so we can discuss a new project.
- you need to stop the paranoid attitude if you want to have success.
Nectarie

Onuoha, two messages:

Quote:

Nectarie,

Yes ofcourse i am ready.. And also i am willing to join the church in moving in this direction as you said..

Honestly, I know that the Wolf is still mad at because of all that happened in the past but you must help me explain to him not to continue being mad at me because i am human and i am bound to make mistakes as a human being that i am..

And another thing is that i believe that one of the sure ways to prove ourselves to someone like the wolf, Is by seeing to the establishment of this subsidiary church building construction and proving them wrong of all the bad impression that those bastard criminal hackers has made the church elders have about us.

Please can you give me Eufrosie's New email address, so that i can write to him.

If He still uses the old email address that he uses before, then i might not write him there because i am very sure that his old email is also among those that were hacked by those hackers who stole every of our project funds.

Onouha

and

Quote:

Nectarie,

I'm not intentionally doing that, It upsets me knowing that we faced all this and lost all the money which was supposed to be used in developing our on going church project.

And if you can think and remember properly, you will remember that i tried to SMS you our receiving account details to your telephone directly to avoid mistakes during payments, but i guess you never wanted to listen to me nor do things the way i suggested to you.
That's unfair, I said that because we are the people handling this together, and as we are working together, we should be able to share ideas about how we want things to be done to avoid complications or any mistakes.

I hope that all goes well this period because all the parishioners that we have gathered for our subsidiary church over here has been asking me about how far our church building project, but i keep telling them that everything is in progress and that shortly it will all be set.

Onouha

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:18 am

Motto: No need to rush, we must not make mistakes! Laughing

So, father Nectarie wrote to Onuoha... We will try to convince the Elders of the church that we must restart the project. It will be hard, I am convinced of that. Laughing

Quote:

Good morning Onuoha,

OK, let's try again from the beginning and we will see. You agree this idea?
I will try to talk to Eufrosie, to see if we have a chance to restart our project: A MUIE Church in Lagos.

Cardinal Gherasim changed ALL computers church after the last story of money, so now everything is new.
They installed new password, security filters and the rest of the technical stuff that I do not understand.
Official email addresses are the ones you already know.

The Wolf is angry on you for the words which you have said in your last message, so it will be hard to convince. I don't know what I can say now about this.
I think on IPS Eufrosie and all my hopes is in His great influence of the Holy Council so that we can approve a budget for new construction.
It would be good to send many greetings Easter, simple and from the heart.
I try to talk to Eufrosie, so in general. Nothing concrete, just generally speaking.
No need to rush, we must not make mistakes.

Attention: Not to sign the emails as "Reverend", because you do not have quality of reverend now (after you left the church). If our project is successful, you will be named ArschBishop of Africa (as late Obi).

father Nectarie

and

Quote:

I can promise you that payments will be made only with confirmation on phone (SMS).
We can set up all the details by email, but the payment is made just AFTER phone confirmation. OK?

father Nectarie

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:05 pm

We have replies from Lagos. Laughing

Onuoha, to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Good day father Nectarie,

And like i said before, "YES" I'm ready for us to restart and get this project established in the proper way we have planned right from the beginning.. And as we both must know and bear in mind, I believe that this our ongoing church building subsidiary project will ONLY go very successfully this period if we all use our heads and be smart enough while we are running this in order not to give chances for those criminals to break into us again and steal from us like they did before.... We have lost so much money already and this period we can not afford for that to happen again and that is why i am beginning now to ring it to your ears that please, please and please, I want us never to share our payments details/informations on our email conversations again.. OK?
But rather When it gets to that time, we will do everything concerning that ONLY via Phone "SMS" through our usual phone numbers that we always use right from time.. OK?

Please you must try to let the wolve know that whatever that has happened wasn't my fault as it was because of the pressure that we were facing that period..
I was threatened by those umoukalaani band's men severally.
And even when they stole that $200,000 USD, it wasn't long we lost Obi and everything was a tragedy and i couldn't bear the whole pains because even when i tried to talk to everyone, no one wanted to do anything i was suggesting, so that was why i was so upset and i saw myself that maybe i wasn't taken as a serious member of the MUIE Church, if not, they wouldn't have neglected me the way you all did at that period.

Anyway, I think all is in the past now and just as we have agreed, we should be working towards the better things ahead of us and not being in the past.

Thanks and i will always be looking out for your messages.

Onouha.

father Nectarie:

Quote:

Ok, let see if I corectly understood:

- We will try to restart our common project: A new MUIE Church in Lagos. That does not depend on us only to a small degree.
- I'll try to talk Eufrosie about this plan. Few days before Easter, he told me he would have liked to know that the "Eduard's church" was built there in Africa.
- He never told me more, and I did not insist. It was just an open discussion between two old men.
- The project approval is made in the Holy Council, at the proposal (I hope it will be) of cardinal Eufrosie. Surely we will need The Wolf's acceptance (he leads the church, is Primus Pares Inter Pares - first Father among all others Fathers).
- We can discuss details of the plan by email for easy communication. BUT all details related to payments (bank account and recipient details) will be transmitted only via SMS.

father Nectarie

Onuoha, to father Nectarie... He is paranoid about Umukelani and stolen money:

Quote:

Ok Nectarie,
I hope you'll keep to your promises this time because we mustn't share any information concerning our project payments through our email conversations no matter what.. I said that now for precaution and safety purposes., (PLEASE TAKE PROPER NOTE)

I have told you already in my previous email before this one, And like i said, for example; when the MUIE Church wants to make any payment crediting to us regarding our ongoing project, We will ONLY send you our receiving account information through phone (SMS) and even on the day the payment will be made, it will also be advisable that we speak on phone OR maybe do another phone (SMS) confirmation to be very sure of the real account details before the final payment will be done to avoid any sort of stories again.. OK?

Please do not blame me for being this cautions,
We have faced a lot in the past and i wouldn't want to ever have such an experience ever in my life again.

Onouha.

father Nectarie:

Quote:

YES, ONLY BY PHONE CONFIRMATION (SMS).
It's a deal between us, you and me!

father Nectarie

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:26 pm

Onuoha, to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Well father Nectarie,
Yes you correctly understood all and I have noted all what you said and i hope it all turns out to remain like that as we have discussed and agreed on this time.

I will be looking up to you now to keep me posted on the next moves towards archiving this project.. I said that because it is up to you now to see that this comes through by being able to convince Eufrosie about this plan so that he can also help and stand for us in making sure that the Holy Council gives approval for A new MUIE Church in Lagos.

It's only God that can bear me witness that i have worked so hard for the MUIE Church to come in existence over here in Lagos, but i never got any of my salary for one month..

And even despite all the problems faced in the past, I still made sure that every of our parishioners gathered earlier still remains intact with the church..
Honestly, some of the parishioners have been questioning me about the progress of our new church construction, but i kept covering the whole situation from them and rather i always gave them an excuse that everything was still in progress and on processing and that very soon it will be set completely.

Now you see, Why am saying all this is for you to know that i even do some extra things that you people do not know about and yet nobody cares.

Anyway, it's all good and i will say that let bygone be bygone.
And we should forge ahead as we have agreed and i hope we puts heads together successfully in archiving the best out of this..

There's no problem, I have also noted what you said about how it will be when it gets to our payment process.... Please remember that we MUST always make proper confirmations always before any payment is done to avoid stories again.. Ok?

God bless you.

Onouha.

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:11 am

Two days ago, father Nectarie answer to Onuoha's last email:

Quote:

Good morning Onuoha,
Today we're going to visit the orphanage of the monastery, so I'll have time to talk to the old cardinal Eufrosie. He's an old and sentimental churchman, I'm sure I'll be able to convince him.
But, you must know that IPS Gherasim is still very upset and will not be easy at all. We're probably gonna get to the High Council, for voting.
His Excellence Eufrosie still has many followers, but we have to present ourselves properly.

I will come back with details.
father Nectarie

Obi/Onuoha:

Quote:

Good day Father Nectarie,

Thanks for your message and the information passed.
I have noted all you said and i will be looking out for a news from you by when you people return back.

And i hope for all the best.
Onouha

Today, from father Nectarie:

Quote:

Good day Onuoha,

Shortly, as I expected, we have both allies and enemies.
Old cardinal Eufrosie wishes to continue the project. He trusts in us and wants to develop our late brother Eduard's idea.
IPS Gherasim is upset and does not believe Obi's death story. I think he is influenced by the report made by the young wolves who were in Africa with us. All their reports say you and Obi have not worked with them at all.

However, the final vote in the Holy Council is the one that matters. If we want to continue this project, we need good and continue cooperation with you and the rest of the people. We have to prove that MUIE church is wanted there and that you, personally, deserve to be named at its head: the Arsch-Bishop of Africa.
We have no guarantee that everything will go well, but it all depends just on us and our efforts to convince the Elders of the Church that the project deserves promotion.
I'm waiting for you with the final decision, which is just yours and yours. You know the reality from there and you are the one and single person who must assume the responsibility of this project.

If you are ready, we can try to think about a strategy. I know how they think and I perfectly understand all the approval mechanisms of the proposed projects. I think we have big chances, but I can not do anything without you.
father Nectarie

OK, we already know that Obi is afraid and will not go anywhere, so I do not think of a safari.
However, I would like to get other nice trophies from him:

- a video report of all the happenings there ... how Obi died, how the money was stolen, all.
- a big group picture with all 15 parishioners... with a big banner: "We strongly want MUIE here!"
- a video shot with a group prayer.
- a tattoo for the rank of ArschBishop of Africa.

Other ideas?

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Later edit (11:35 AM)

Obi/Onuoha, to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Good day Nectarie,

I have just read your detailed message and if i would say, I will say that I am 100% ready to carry out the good work of the Lord through the MUIE Subsidiary Church to be established here in Lagos Nigeria.

And as to the issues of IPS Gherasim, I guess he is really being influenced unnecessarily.
I said that because if he truly wanted to help us right from the beginning, He would have been able to work with the bank to put a STOP to that payment of $200,000 USD that was wrongly paid to those Umoukalanni crooks who stole from us over and over..
And not bringing up unnecessary reasons why our project shouldn't continue.

And besides, How can me and Obi work with them when Obi was already dead before then...?
Honestly, This came as a shock to me as well, it was all just crazy and unexpected.. I went through hell that period of time because everything that happened then was very surprising and confusing and i never expected that things would turn out that way because we had been on a long preparation and arrangements before then, so i expected that we should have been more co-ordinated enough not to have such issues or misunderstanding arising among us.

Anyway, That's by the way.. I do not even want to think about Obi's death because whenever i do, It makes me feel sad and honestly i wish not to feel that way this period.

And well, Like i told you before, Yes ofcourse We all over here are very ready to carry out this project.. And now i guess it's depending on you people over there not to go again to make payments to the wrong people and not confirming properly.. I said that because that has always been the reasons for our problems whenever we are suppose to take another step ahead on this ongoing project.

So if i may ask you, How does it depend on us to convince the Elders of the Church that this project deserves promotion???... Tell me..
Because i have already made my final decision to work with the church to see that this comes through..

father Nectarie, I have told you this over and over, You have my words on this and i will never disappoint you as far as you keep to your own words as well..
Yes i do know the reality from here and that is why you should always be available to put heads together with me whenever we have something to sort out so that we can always come out with the best.. OK?

I am ready and i would like that you map out a strategy for us to use in convincing the Elders of the Church that this project deserves promotion as soon as possible.

Thanks and God bless you.
Onouha.

father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha,

Let me think of a plan with maximum chances of success.
For starters, it would be a good idea to send out a Easter greeting message. To both of them, Eufrosie and Gherasim. In this way, you will tell them that you are still available and show your respect for our faith. You must know that Easter is the most important religious celebration in the world.

I will come back with my suggestions, after we seeing they reactions to your emails.
I have some ideas, but I want to see how they react.

father Nectarie

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:18 pm

Friday 18:15

Obi/Onuoha to old Cardinal Eufrosie:

Quote:

My Dearest Father IPS Eufrosie,

Greetings in the name of the Lord.

Easter is a time of reflection and joy. When we emerge from our cocoon of doubt to fly freely on the wings of faith... It is a time to spread the joy and happiness that Christ has brought about into our lives, and to everyone we meet. It symbolizes the renewal of life.

Happy Easter to you Father Eufrosie, May the risen Lord will your heart with compassion, joy, love and never ending bliss.

Yours Always,
Father Onouha.
(From the MUIE Subsidiary Church, Lagos Nigeria).

Obi/Onuoha to Cardinal Gherasim (The Wolf):

Quote:

Greetings in the name of the Lord.

Happy Easter
As you celebrate Easter may you remember God's perfect love for all mankind, and may that love fill you with hope for the days to come.

Jesus said to her.
"I am the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in me will live,
even though he dies;
and whoever lives and believers in me will never die."

Easter is a time for thinking of those who are a special part of our lives... and have a special place in our hearts... that's why Easter is a time for thinking of you!

Wishing you the kind of Easter that touches your heart like a prayer and blesses your life with the gift of amazing grace.
Best wishes for a joyous Easter.

Yours Always,
Father Onouha.
(From the MUIE Subsidiary Church).

Obi/Onuoha to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Father Nectarie,

I am dropping a note to let you know that i have just done as you asked me to do and i guess you should have already received the other of the messages that i "cc" to you..

Thanks and i hope for all the best.
Onouha.

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It seems to me that someone is anxious to start again! Laughing

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:59 am

I did a huge mistake... I sent a message from old Cardinal Eufrosie but I signed as late father Eduard (who has been dead since January!):

Quote:

Happy Easter, my son! Happy Easter!
It sounds good to hear you. May Holy Lamb protect you and your beautiful family!
I hope you are fine and that everything in your life is exactly the way you wanted it to be!

Be blessed, in the sacred name of our Holy Lamb!
father Eduard

Obi/Onuoha, to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Nectarie,

Please do not blame me at all.
Afterall, I have been working for the MUIE Church ever before now.

Most importantly, I want you to read that message from Eufrosie, You will see in the end of his message that he wrote about Eduard..
This is very suspicious.. Because now i am wondering why he's closing his message and writing Eduard's name instead of his own name.

And again, This whole stories are begging to worry me again because you refused to provide me with a single picture to prove to me that you truly arrived Nigeria... I hate that because it feels like a lie to me when i think about the flimsy eexcuse you give about that instead of showing me something to clear my doubts.

Look, I wish not to waste my time unnecessarily, so please i beg you also not to waste my time if you know this is really not as serious as you are making me to take it.

Thanks
Onouha.

Father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha,

Old Eufrosie is almost 90 years old man and, after the coma incident, is somewhat changed. He has moments in which he does not seem to be the same person. The doctors told us it was normal to do that. That is why the church leadership remained at The Wolf.
In His Excellence Eufrosie mind, you africans people (you and Obi) are probably the last link with his friend (our late Eduard). He's been thinking a lot about Eduard these days, so that's probably an explanation. During this period (Easter period), late Eduard came and spent entire days at the monastery, along with IPS Eufrosie.
I do not know what to say, that's it the situation!

If you start to become paranoid, maybe we should stop here. Perhaps the responsibility of such a project is more than you can endure. Sometimes it happens at the subconscious level without we realizing it. I already told you we did not go there in Africa to take pictures. After I got sick, the situation became dramatic. I think I have a picture of rev. Umzali's, his church and some of his parishioners, in Kani. I'm not sure and I have to check.

IPS Gherasim did not answer yet to your message?
father Nectarie

NO ANSWER!

After one day, me (as father Nectarie) to Obi/Onuoha:

Quote:

Onuoha look at this message received from IPS Gherasim. Exactly what I foresee, His Excellence was disturbed by the fact that you signed up as a "MUIE representative". He also did not forget that you left the Right Way of Faith. I've been to him and I've had an informal discussion about what's happened and what's going on in the future.
The conclusions of the discussion, in short, would be the following two separate/different approaches:
- for His Excellence Cardinal Eufrosie (the easy way)
- for His Excellence Cardinal Gherasim (the hard way)

In both cases, the outcome of all our efforts will be subject to approval and vote in the Holy Council. As usual, the budget discussion/approval meeting is held at the beginning of the month (the next one is set on May 05). His Excellence Eufrosie will call all the Elders of the Church for the final vote. We need to leave a strong impression on the community there, and we need The Wolf not to use his VETO right against our project. I hope you know/you understand what means a "VETO". I know that IPS Gherasim will not vote "YES" for the project, I do not make any illusions about this. My hope is only that he will NOT oppose the project as his position of Head of MUIE Church (shortly, I hope he will accepts the outcome of the final vote).

So, my humble suggestions are:

1) For Eufrosie and the rest of the prelates, to convince them that there (in Lagos) is a stable community of parishioners who deserve to have their own MUIE Church.
- We need a large photo-group with all of our parishioners there (you already know that the minimum number is 15 people). I suggest even trying to overtake this number, because The Wolf surely will count them with great attention!
- Of course, we also need a very large, very visible banner to easy read our sacred words "We need MUIE! We want MUIE! Glory to the Holy Lamb!"
- With the same complete parishioners group you will need to video-record the MUIE Church hymn: "The Lamb of God!"
- As your ArschBishop rank, you will have to wear on your skin the sacred sign of the Holy Lamb. That's what it takes to make a tattoo, just like all the MUIE prelates. IPS Gherasim was very indignant at the fact that Obi did not have tattoos of high prelates, although he (Obi) had been invested as High Bishop of Africa.

2) For Gherasim, for to gain his trust. He is responsible for the orphanages, so he will never vote for us... but I hope he will allow us to resume the project.
- You have to convince him of the fact that Obi died, because he suspects it is not true.
- We need a copy of the Obi's death certificate.
- We need a video recording where you will tell him The Wolf everything exactly as it was (from your perspective, of course).
- We need some pictures of Obi's funeral.
It is very important that Gherasim not to be our "enemy" (even if he will not be exactly our "friend"). You understand?

Of course, if you have other ideas to support our project, I am happy to listen.
The general idea is that it would be good:
- if cardinal Gherasim does not oppose (even if he does not vote "YES")
- if MUIE high priests are convinced that the project deserves to be completed.
---

Be blessed,
parintele Nectarie
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Secretar biserica Mielului Unic - Independenta si Eterna (MUIE)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd: Season's Greetings..
Date: 2017-04-22 12:33
From: Gherasim Lupul <gherasim@mail>
To: nectarie@mail

Nectarie, ce se intampla acolo?

1) De ce semneaza Onuoha in calitate de pastor al bisericii noastre?

2) Noi avem o sucursala MUIE in Lagos si eu nu stiu?

3) Te rog sa-i multumesti tu, din partea mea, pentru sfintele urari de Paste. Eu nu vorbesc cu oamenii care au parasit Cararea Credintei. Eu am suspiciunile mele, pe care tu le stii, referitoarea la ciudatele intamplari din Nigeria. El niciodata nu a dorit sa le clarifice.

Fii binecuvantat!
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Mare Cardinal - biserica Mielului Unic - Independenta si Eterna (MUIE)

NO ANSWER!

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:05 pm

After a few days of silence, Obi answered to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Hello Father Nectarie,

I'm so sorry i wasn't able to respond early enough to your messages.
I have been very ill for the past few days now with Malaria fever and i was admitted for treatment.

I am just getting back home not quite long now and i am rushing to the computer to read your messages.
I also just saw your SMS which you sent to my phone but unfortunately i didn't go to the hospital with my phone and that was why i couldn't reply your SMS back also..

Well, I hope all is going well with our ongoing plans and i hope everything is intact as we were planning earlier...?... I asked now because i read your previous messages with what you were asking me to do...
Honestly Nectarie, I understand everything you have asked me to do but you MUST know now that all of what you have asked me to do isn't possible because the parishioners do not live closeby to each other and besides, they all stay in different places.

I do not even see any relevant reasons why you should be asking me all of this now because it has all been provided to the MUIE church authorities, included with all of the 15 parishioners adhesion forms and other relevant document which was obtained by our law maker to help in the coverage of this branch of the MUIE Church here in Lagos, which we have also provided you people with every of those documents... so why are you asking me this again now ??
..
This is something that we have worked so hard initially to do and i remember we worked everything humanly possible to see that we completed our dossier before the last Holy Council Meeting the last time they approved our payment of the $200,000 USD that which you didn't listen to me and made us lose the money to those crooks again and even again after that..

Anyway, if you must know, it feels sad to me whenever i remember all that has transpired in the past.
I am not completely strong yet but i will still be taking the remaining of my medications in the next few days.

Please can i ask you to do me a favor and help me ask the church to kindly give me some financial helping hands...?? I said that now because even as i am ill now, I do not have any cash on me for sustenance, I have used the little i have to deposit for the hospital bill and yet it's still even remaining part payment to complete that.

I am seriously in need of cash and you have to help me pass this information so that i can receive some money for my upkeep and also it will be needed because when i get completely well, I will also need to make some movements to gather again those parishioners and in all this things i will be needing money for expenses..
So tell me how long will i keep working for the church and yet they have not paid me NOT even a single day salary talk more of a week nor a month... common that is very bad and unfair..

It's just looking as if nobody there care about my feelings.
well, even if they do not care, you can atleast understand me more better because you should know me more as the person who communicates more with me and because of that, I will like that you help me see to this urgently even if they will have to quickly make me a little money transfer of 3000 euros.

I will be waiting on this urgently,

Onouha

I'm thinking. Laughing

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:16 am

Today, father Nectarie wrote to Obi/Onuoha:

Quote:

Hello Onuoha and good morning!
You must know that I do not use this email address on a regular basis. Okay, I saw your message and I try to answer all the points in it:

- the general idea is that we can persuade the Holy Council to refine late Eduard's project. After all the events there (Obi's death, your resignation, money stolen from Umukolani) this project is in great doubt.
- at this moment, cardinal Gherasim thinks there (in Lagos) there is nothing concrete!
- at this moment, Gherasim is very skeptical about this whole project.
- at this moment, Gherasim thinks that you are no longer the church representative. Legally speaking, after your resignation, this it's true!
- at this moment, Gherasim believes that the parishioners there abandoned the Way of Faith.
- we have to show them that the community is still active ... we have to show them that those people want to be part of the MUIE community ... we have to show them that you are willing to assume the position of ArshBishop (with obligations and benefits).
- for all this to become reality, we need something concrete.
- if I present myself to the council with "bare hands" and ask for funds "for nothing concrete", I will be denied without Gherasim intervening with anything. Will be a clear failure, for all of us!

What I will say to you now will only remain between us:
- Gherasim does not know your parishioners, so you do not have to struggle to get everyone together!
- It is enough to raise a sufficient number of people to be counted correctly. Neighbors, friends, no matter who. It will be our little secret!

I am willing to accept this dirty compromise, so that Eduard's project can be achieved. Only for that, only for this time!
If our project is approved, I'm sure His Excellence Eufrosie will want to help you with funds (I speak of the 3,000 euros), apart from normal construction payments.

I really understand your point of view, and I sincerely want Eduard to be pleased there in the heavens. We need just a last effort to make it all happen.
I did my duty and I put things together. I spoke to His Excellence Eufrosie, I spoke to The Wolf... I got the promise that the vote of the Council would be respected and accepted by everyone.
Further, everything depends only on you and the way in which we manage to present things.

Be blessed,
Nectarie

Obi wants 3,000 euros without doing anything. Obviously, we do not agree! Laughing

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The way Obi as Onouha is complaining and feeling sorry for himself, he obviously feels he's been working his socks off and never received a red cent for all that effort. Lolol

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:47 am

Yeap, he is totally broken. In the early days of these months, our Obi wrote a sad message to the Umukelani (the bandit who stole all the money of the church):

Quote:

You did me wrong brother.. It is not fair..
You took all money and didn't allow me receive $1.
It's not fair..

I am just tired honestly.. that's why i abandoned everything.
I need money myself and if you can really understand and let's reason out this as men that we are.

Thanks

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Ahhh - poor man! I do feel so sorry for him! Lolol

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:22 pm

From Obi, to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Nectarie,

Like i told you before, Things over here are not as you easily think from there..
You must know that this ways you have asked me to do this is not easy to do and there's no way i can do that without having any cash at hand.

Remember i am just recovering from illness and besides, I have bills to pay and yet no one agrees to assist me, not even you nor the church..
All you people do is to always bring up one thing nor the other that you always want me to do before this project continues..

Well, if you must know, I can not do as you have said because i do not have those people you think.. I have done my very best in gathering those parishioners i gathered right from the beginning and there's nothing more i can do now without cash at hand..
I can not move from street to street begging people to come join the muie church... common that's not how things like this are done..

I have submitted and completed every requirement of our dossier for this ongoing project and there's nothing i can do about that anymore if you people refuse and want to change the plans again..

This is all i can say for now... and if you really do care about me yourself, Then you could as well find a way to make me little money transfer from your own very pocket because i am really very down now and i need cash at hand to get along.

Thanks and best regards
Onouha.

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:07 am

Other messages ... Obi hopes to receive some money. I hope to make him send other trophies. Laughing

father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha, good morning!

Your attitude makes me sad, because I'm starting to realize that Eduard's dream will not happen there in Lagos.
- group photo with the congregation? NOT!
- the church hymn? NOT!
- the sacred tattoo? NOT!
- the evidence required by The Wolf regarding the death of Obi (death certificate and funeral photos)? NOT!
- your Nigeria events video-statement? NOT!

Under these circumstances, it is clear that I can not dare to present the project to the Holy Council.
I do not understand why you ask me for that 3000 euro, when you know very well that we are just some monks locked in a monastery.
We have no salary, because we do not need it. Our whole life is between the walls of the church.

I bless you and wish you much health and success in your future plans.
Be blessed!
father Nectarie

Obi/Onuoha:

Quote:

Nectarie Good day to you,

And if am to say something, I will say that i see no reasons why my attitude should be getting you mad because you are even the major person who should know how much efforts that we put in earlier to complete our dossier which we presented earlier to the council.
So now why all this problems again to me???

It was same you who gave me instructions that we must completely begin our new subsidiary church with nothing less than 15 parishioners, which i also worked so hard to do and have also submitted every of their pictures and adhesion forms, so why now all this requirements again???..

Honestly I can not yet be able to do that sacred tattoo on myself because i will need to be sure that i am made the Arc bishop of Africa before that is finally done.. And added to that, even if i can provide any of your listed requirement to present to the Holy Council, it surely wouldn't be all because i just can not provide some due to the circumstances of things here.

Nacterie you know i did my best earlier to complete our dossier and now if i have to obtain Obi's Death Certificate I will be needing some money at hand to run that errand and obtain it legitimately... Which wouldn't really be as easy as you feel from there because it seems like you do not even realize yet how much angry that Obi's Family is with the church..

Please you have to chose ONLY one thing from your list that i will need to do for you so that you can as well also be able to convince the elders in the Holy Council for our project to hold.

I will be waiting.
Onouha.

father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha,
You crazy me, I just do not understand you.
We must prove that yours community there is alive, active and very eager to receive the Faith of the Holy Lamb.
How can we do this, if you do not want to make any effort?
Let's try the group photo with all those 15 parishioners and the huge MUIE banner.
Let's try a video recording with the church hymn: "Lamb of God".

I'm sure the Elders of the Church will appreciate your devotion.
IPS Gherasim promised to accept the result of the vote, so (for now) we can forget the evidence that He requested (those related to late Obi's death).

Be blessed,
father Nectarie

Obi/Onuoha:

Quote:

Nectarie,

Like seriously if we have to prove all this you have said, MUST it be with singing the church hymn lamb of God...????... Honestly this is funny and sounds somehow to me..

The way you're going about this whole thing is very annoying because i do not know how you in particular expects me to move around without money at hand looking for a way to gather all the parishioners to take a group picture together...?... how easy and possible do you think that is without money?

Look Nectarie, As far as i am concerned, I have submitted to the church the prove of faith pictures of the 15 parishioners and also with all their adhesion forms.. so now why are you coming up with all this unnecessary requests again...?

I do not assure you of doing the hymn but i will try to see how possible i can gather a few parishioners for the group picture... But i am sure i might not be able to gather all those 15 people and as it is with this situation, you will just have to accept the picture no matter how many few people i am able to find and gather to do this for me.

I hope you understand this time....

Thanks and God bless.
Onouha.

father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha,
I do not understand you, I honestly tell you.
I know how these people think and know how they react. I gave you only good advice to lead us to success.

Friday May 05 is scheduled for the monthly meeting. If you send me any material, I will propose approving the budget for the project.
If you do not send anything, it means that it was God's will. I do not want to argue with you, because I am tired of all these contradictory discussions..

Be blessed,
father Nectarie

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:29 pm

- Our "reverend" Obi/Onuoha sent a new video-clip, with all 15 parishioners singing the church hymn. Laughing

- Filming is not of good quality, but it's very funny.
- It seems Obi has rented a tent and has gathered some people... obviously the MUIE Holy Council will not be happy at all and will refuse to fund the project, so I will probably get "heavy" words from our honest Reverend. Laughing

I asked Mountain Goat to help me with posting on youtube. clapping

Some screenshots.

Quote:

Nectarie,

I have received every of your updates and if you must know, i have delayed in responding back to you because i have been kind of busy trying to see that i do everything humanly possible to provide you with something you can show as a prove to show to the Elders of the MUIE Church over there upon the holding of the Holy Council Meeting tomorrow being the 5th of May.

Please note that i will send you our taken video and picture clips together through a link so as to enable you download it yourself from there and be able to show in the meetings tomorrow.

Let me know if you got my both messages with the link and also the videos.
Thanks and i will be waiting to hear from you soonest.

Onouha.

Muhahahaha! Laughing

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 5:57 pm

Awesome.......a video Laughing

I have absolutely no idea about uploading videos on YouTube. Maybe you can upload it here and provide the link:
https://www.4shared.com/

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:28 pm

Try this link: https://www.4shared.com/img/j3j7SJZ1ca/15bd4c19888/song5

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:04 pm

works fine Laughing

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:30 pm

We have Youtube version.
Thanks Robert Heinrich der 1.! clapping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rES0IHQDuY

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it's great that it works now.

and it's a shame that google sometimes requires phone numbers, sometimes not, especially when it is country-depending.

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 7:41 pm

Thanks for help with gmail account!

- In Romania it is mandatory to declare a phone number for final Gmail verification.
- Also, you can not set up multiple gmail accounts on the same phone number.

LATER EDIT

Obi/Onuoha is desperate and sends me repeated messages:

Quote:

Nectarie, Good evening..

Please i will like to confirm if you did receive my last messages with the photos and video clip links that i sent to you earlier?

Kindly do let me know because i have done as you asked me to do and i'm hoping for us to have the best out of this.

Thanks,
Onouha.

Quote:

Nectarie,

Here again below is the link through which you will download the photo and video clips for you to make your presentations tomorrow.

Use the following link to retrieve your file:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/koylfv

Kindly let me know when you get this.

Onouha.

Father Nectarie:

Quote:

Onuoha,
Excuse me for writing so late, but I'm very cold and stayed all day in bed.

I received all your messages, but I can not download so large files because of bad Internet connection and the security settings made last time by the IT guy.
Can you upload the movie on some public video channel? And can you provide me just a simple link for viewing, like an online-movie?

father Nectarie

Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 4:53 am

Father Nectarie sent Obi/Onuoha two more messages & one phone SMS, with the same content: "The file can not be downloaded!"

Midnight:

Quote:

Onuoha, do you receive my previous message?
I cannot download the file, because it's too large file.

Can you make an upload on youtube, or similar? To be easily viewed, tommorow morning, in the Holy Council?
Nectarie

Early morning:

Quote:

Where are you Onuoha? Do you think it's time to sleep, or what?

I already send you two messages, I'm not able to take your files.
The meeting will be started soon and I have nothing!!!

Nectarie

Edit:

At 08:30 AM, Obi to father Nectarie... He's just uploading his clip on Youtube. Laughing

Quote:

Yes am working on it already... I am trying to upload it on youtube so that you can be able to view it.

Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:11 am

09.30 AM

Father Nectarie wrote:

Quote:

The first break of the session, I went out to smoke.
We discussed things about common expenses. I asked to be allowed to present the project "A new MUIE in Lagos" later, at the end of session.
Old cardinal Eufrosie wondered if you sent me support material for resuming the project. IPS Gherasim will be the first to talk about it, as primus pares inter pares.

Onuoha, in the name of the Holy Lamb, last night you were supposed to be online permanently, so we can get all the details of today's discussion. I waited until 03.00 am!!!
Nectarie

--------------------

10.07 AM

Obi's first message... He uploaded his movie on Youtube! Laughing

Quote:

Brother Nectarie,

I have uploaded the video on youtube as you said..

Please proceed immediately and watch it through the below youtube links.

Youtube link - I want to make it clear that the video has not been viewed yet, so I'll post the link later ... anyway, it's the same movie we already have above.

After watching and downloading, please kindly let me know for confirmations.

Onouha

Obi's second message to father Nectarie:

Quote:

Nectarie,

Please you have to manage what we were able to present and you must stand strong to use this as a prove to the council so that they can give us an approve to this our ongoing project ... As you must understand that it wasn't easy for me to gather those parishioners and besides, before they could all come together the day we captured this, it already got to evening and i didn't want a situation whereby we wouldn't archive this, so that was the reasons why i actually made sure that we captured this for you to use it even if it was done in the evening.

I hope you understand how i mean.

Thanks and i hope for all the best.
Onouha.

- With all our regrets Laughing

, the Holy Council meeting started at 10.00 AM.
- So father Nectarie did not have the opportunity to see / show / promote the last "parishioners movie". Laughing

After 01.30 PM, father Nectare will wrote to Obi:

Quote:

Onuoha, at 10.00 AM the time-break was over and we resumed the Council's work. It's all over now (01.30 PM).
In short:

- IPS Gherasim has taken the opportunity and has told everything that has happened in Nigeria over the past few months. He strongly pointed out that MUIE Church had lost a lot of money there and said that the recovery of a small fraction of the stolen sum (the Umukelani's bandits captured the last time) cost almost as much. Evidence is hard to deny, so I had nothing to say here.
- Regarding the death of Obi John, The Wolf expressed his strong doubts about this. He said we have no evidence to support the statement that Obi is dead and buried. Cardinal Gherasim succesfully managed to induce a state of restlessness among the elders of the church. Just as in the case above, I did not have any evidence of Obi's death. We were unable to present anything to our support.
- As the Head of the Church, Gherasim does not vote in the Council... but he can oppose to any decision, through the power of his VETO's vote. I have to admit that he did not oppose and he respected the will of the Holy Council.
- Old Cardinal Eufrosie spoke very nicely about late Eduard's dream and about the benefits of spreading the Faith in Africa. He has succeeded in neutralizing almost all the doubts about the project "A new MUIE in Lagos".
- Sincerely speaking, if I could have presented the last video clip (besides all the other materials: the photos and the statements of the parishioners), then our success would have been complete. Unfortunately, by the time I entered the Council Room (10.00 AM) I had not received anything from you. It would have been nice for you to have prepared the filmed material a few days before, as I have advised you. Anyway, don't matter now.

In conclusion, our project was NOT rejected, God bless Eufrosie's tenacity!... YES, there are certain doubts that we need to clarify, but we have NO major problems:

- Cardinal Gherasim imposed his point of view on the issue of Obi's death. So, let me repeat my last advices about this question:
- We need a scanned copy of the Obi's death certificate.
- We need a video recording where you will tell him The Wolf everything exactly as it was in Nigeria, from the start to the end (from your personal perspective, of course).
- We need some pictures of Obi's funerals. If there are no clear shots in which Obi can be recognized on the coffin, then we will have big problems. IPS Gherasim is waiting for any reason to deny Obi's death again.
- If we succeed in completing "the Lagos dossier files", then the budget is approved "sine die". We can start with $200,000 for the land & Church construction, as other future expenses will be reimbursed only on the basis of subsequent documents.
- Your appointment as ArschBishop of Africa was approved... of course, you must prove the sacred MUIE tattoo, just like any other high priest of the church. The Wolf clearly specified that the late Obi was appointed without the tattoo of the church, which is contrary to all the MUIE rules.

Old Eufrosie managed to get the Council's pre-approval regarding early payments (so that we would not be obliged to wait for the next meeting). If I present the complete dossier, then IPS Gherasim will order the payments, without them being discussed in the Holy Council. That's all we've got to achieve today.
You do not have to feel guilty about the shooting film today, because anyway Gherasim would have requested additional clarifications (regarding Obi's death), and also your appointment as ArschBishop is not possible without the sacred tattoo.

Be blessed,
father Nectarie

Sincerely, I think Obi will annoy awful. Laughing

On the other hand, maybe he still wants to continue the "project" started in December '16... after all, it's been only five months since he tried to steal some money from the church. Laughing

Maybe we can get other nice trophies from our trustworthy Reverend. Laughing

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