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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:52 pm

This is my possible entry into the text-only bait challenge. In order to have a pretty valid excuse for my inability to send attachments, I picked the rather interesting modality of being legally blind. No disrespect meant, of course. I had a great-grandmother who was legally blind. I have a coworker who is, as well, and she uses a computer fairly well. In addition, a newsgroup I lurk in also has a blind regular. So, before we begin, let's hear it for talking computers!

Anyway, I get the usual boohoo from Susan Williams. It is A CRY FOR HELP, according to her subject.

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Dear Friend,

How are you doing today? i hope fine. if so glory be to God. my names is susan
williams i am the daughter to the late former minister of agriculture in
Nigeria. my dad died since 5yrs ago in a ghastly plane crash on his way back
from Kenya, and since then life has not been easy for me and my family anyway i
thank god that i am alive today. Since the death of my dad things have not been
easy with us. Though my dad died leaving a huge amount of funds and the
government has refused to release this money because the money has been lodged
in a foreign account. I and my family have gone through hell even my dads
brothers could not help us and the government has only given us an option that
the funds can only be released if we have a foreigner that the funds can be
transferred into his or her account.

After this has been done my family and I are willing to offer 30% of the funds
to anyone that can assist us so that we can claim our fathers money. My mum has
been so ill and things are not really going well with us here. I decided to
contact you because i knew god was gong to use you to assist me and my family
from our present predicament. As soon as we have been able to collect this money
I and my family will be coming overseas so we can start up a new life and invest
in a profitable business venture i will be glad if you can assist. There is
nothing to fear about as i have attached my pics for proper identification as i
write this
write in tears and pains, I appeal to you to assist me so that the
funds can be transfer will give u more details as soon as hear from you. I want
you to know that i have been directed by the spirit to send this to you, may the
lord bless you richly as you assist my family and me in regaining our lost life
back as this is my mum's only wish right now. Please reply me with this email
address: [email protected]

Best regards
Miss susan williams.

I send back my usual reply.

Quote:

I'm not sure I understand entirely what you need, but I'm willing to help if I
can. I may be away for a few days, but I'll get back to you when I can.

Hannah

Susan takes the bait and sends me a fecking enormous reply. Perfect. I can complain about not being able to keep up with that mess when my computer reads it to me.

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Dear Hannah,

I received your mail and thanks for your responding promptly. Due to our helpless and fustrated situation seeking for a reliable and God fearing individual to assist us in retreiving our funds, I believe almighty God that we serve has sent you to our rescue so please do not let us down. Let me assure you in clear terms that this transaction is 100% risk free and there is absolutely nothing you will regret over assisting us to claim our funds. The total funds you are about to assist us in claiming is US$28.5 Million. However, the funds we are talking about was deposited by my late father with a security company in Europe and at the time of deposit the funds were enclosed in two trunk boxes and our late father declared them as african artifact/family treasure. We have come to realized that it is better to trust a complete strangers than those we felt are closer to us because all those that used to eat and din with us when my late father was alive have all deserted us since the death of my father. So I have decided to contact you as we are desperately in need of someone with prior connection to help us, who I pray I can trust, as I want you to handle this transaction with all seriousness and because there is no time to waste, due to our present situation we are leaving from hand to mouth and it is very difficult for us to coupe that is why the need for the urgency in this transaction.

We have been able to get the help of a DIPLOMAT to help us carry the consignment from the security company to your location whereby you will not have to travel down. He will leave for Europe as soon as you indicate your utmost interest to assist us in receiving the consignment. As a DIPLOMAT we will have no problem. The consignment will come through DIPLOMATID COURIER SERVICES and the DIPLOMAT alone has the power and authority to clear the consignment from the DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES, with his DIPLOMATIC STATUS. This courier services is strictly for DIPLOMAT to be able to bring in goods, money and other to the UNITED STATES and any part of the world securely. We did not disclose to the DIPLOMAT the content in the trunk boxes. We only told him that its contains precious stones , jewely and bonds . I must also let you know that the DIPLOMAT will have to pay the DIPLOMAT COURIER SERVICES upon arrival of the consignment to enable him clear it out at a fee you will have to send to him. Inview of this, please let me know if you can handle this. You must let him do his job right and legally and it will make things easier for you. He will have to bring the consignment to you upon it been cleared out at a place that you will let him know. Once it gets to you, all we want you to do is to receive the consignment and deposit the funds into your account or an escrew account for our sake. please you know how confidential this is to both of us so I will advised you to maintain top most confidentiality.

We are in a desperate situation right now, so we have to act fast before the government confiscates the funds like they did to some of my father's money in Switzerland and Great Britain. We are desperate to get away from economic and political oppression, so we need the funds. I must confess to you that my mother is seriously sick so we have to hasten this transaction so that we can fly her abroad for immediate treatment. I am begging you to hurry so that after you collect the money from the DIPLOMAT, we can take our mother abroad for immediate treatment. For further communication, I will have my elder brother contact you because I am always in the hospital taking care of my mother but my elder has all the legal documents that would back your claims to act on behalf of my family to retreive the trunks containing US dollars. So I would like you to furnish me with the following information. (1) Your full name (2) Your mailing address (not P.O. box)(3) Your Phone/Fax number (4) Company name/address (if any) I would like you to bear in mind that this business is strictly based on trust and at the same time highly confidential. So you are assured that all the information you provide me would be treated confidentially. On the receipt of the above information, I will forward it to the DIPLOMAT to contact at once so that he can make his trip to your country with the consignments. After the receipt of your information I will also send you the certificate of deposit, please I want you to act with utmost dispatch, as there is no time to waste. Once again, I must have to remind you that this business is highly confidential.

I await your urgent reply.

Sincerely,
Susan Williams.

I have to set the hook about being legally blind, but not scare them off. I tread fairly carefully.

Quote:

I hate to have to ask you this, but could you write shorter emails? Be very
concise and to the point, and spelling counts. I have my email read to me by
the computer. I understood something about a diplomat, and your elder brother
being the contact, and you needing my phone number, but your email is so long,
I had trouble following it and remembering it all. My phone number is
206-666-3170.

Hannah

Susan, very conveniently, will never be available. Old sick mother, don't you know. However, she has a brother John. Hah. I think I'm already talking to John, thanks.

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Dear Hannah,

I am in receipt of your mail and thanks for your prompt response, sorry for long explanation but I had wanted you to understand the full details of the transaction. However, this is to inform you that the diplomat will be leaving for the US today with the two trunk cases containing US$28.5 Million and due to the fact that I am always in the hospital taking care of our sick mother, I have asked my elder brother to contact you immediately, incase you want to reach him as well, this is his details:

Name: John Williams
Tel: +234 802 892 5278
Email: [email protected]

Try and get across to him unfailingly today so that he can give you more detail.

Regards,
Susan.

Do Nigerian hospitals have no staff? Why do all these sick mothers need someone at their bedside 24/7?

Hannah emails brother John, and asks a quite logical question.

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Your sister wanted me to get in contact. I'm not sure I understand though. How
can the diplomat already be leaving if I need to do something so the diplomat
can do his job?

Hannah

Damned impressive, how that diplomat could be leaving for my country, when I haven't told them where I live!

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Attn: Hannah,

Compliment of the day to you, I am the elder brother to Susan Williams and I am contacting you in respect of our funds currently in the custody of with a finance house in Europe.The reason why we contacted you for assistance is to save our mother's live who is currently suffering from cancer of the liver and needs funds to be flown abroad for immediate treatment. Inorder not to waste any further time in actualizing this transaction, I have enclosed in this email the letter of guarantee, guaranting us that once the funds are in your possession we will not have any problem in receiving our funds. I will want you to fill the blank spaces, sign and send back the Letter of Guarrante. The diplomat was suppose to be leaving for your country yesterday but I had to stop him because we really need to know if you can handle this for our family.

A scanned copy of either your Driver Licence or International passport will highly be appreciated by this family for our record. We are entrusting a sum of US$28.5 million United States Dollars in your care and you will have to signed us a letter of guarantee that our share of the funds after you have deducted you 30% and all expenses incured (must be properly taken record of) will be safe.
This is to assure us that you will keep to the terms of the agreement when the fund gets to your account. The guarantee letter you will have to re-type and duly signed by you and send back to me. The text of the guarantee letter is as follows:

I, Mr/Mrs. ��of ��(your full address) do hereby give this letter of guarantee to the Williams Family from Nigeria which I have agreed to receive the family funds worth US$28.5 Million. That I am entitled to 25% for my assistance and 5% to cover all expenses that I incure in the expense of releasing the consignment of funds on behalf of the family. While the rest 70% to be transferred to any account of the family choice upon comfirmaion of funds in my account , that I ��.(your name) will be honest through out the transaction and that I will maintain TOP MOST CONFIDENTIALITY till the successful conclusion of this transaction.

Date:................................

Sign:.................................

Once again on behalf of this family, I thank you so much for your assistance. I will want you to call me immediately you get this email so that we can discuss further on my telephone number:+ 234 802 892 5278, the line is difficult sometimes to get but just keep trying till you get through, please note that if you are dialing from your country the international dialing code is 011 before you dial the number.

Sincerely,
John Williams.

I also get the usual crap form. I hate these amateurs who can't even be bothered to send you the form as a bleeding attachment! Fine, you can't attach, I can't either. Let's give John a dose of his own. Hannah's persistent. She wants her question answered. And has he not caught on that I'm supposed to be BLIND?

Quote:

As I told your sister, you need to keep your emails very short and to the
point. I have my email read to me by my computer, so I have to listen to it
out loud and remember what you said. Long, complicated emails are very
confusing.

One thing at a time, please. I don't have a driver's license. I use public
transport almost exclusively. I've never traveled outside of North America,
either, so I don't have a passport. I do have a state identification card.
Would that do?

And you still haven't explained to me why the diplomat was already leaving
before you ever found out if I could help.

Hannah

Apparently not. John is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He just keeps covering the same ground.

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Attn: Hannah,

I received your mail and thanks for your quick response. The diplomat was suppose to leave to deliver the consignment of funds to you in your country but you still have not stated or informed us if you can handle this transaction once the trunk cases gets to you. Enclosed in the two trunk cases contains US$28.5 Million of which for your great assistance, you are entitle to 25% and 5% to cover any expenses that you incure. Inview of this, please let me know if you can handle this because we need much urgency in this transaction.

Looking forward to your urgent reply.

Sincerely,
John.

I desperately want to point out that they still have no fecking idea where I live in North America! For that matter, when he had to stop the diplomat, he had no idea what frigging continent I was on! Seriously, how do these scripts sell? They've got plot holes you could drive a lorry through.

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The diplomat was just going to come, even though he has no idea where in the
United States I live? I suppose I can handle this. What's the first thing you
need from me?

Hannah

Still, Hannah gamely hangs in there. And I'm glad I did, because later, it got interesting...

Guest

keep on posting....I don't like to be continued.

interresting post though

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:55 pm

Now, ladies and gentleman, John Williams sends me a Letter of Guarantee. As before, he pretty much sends me the same cut and paste, with the addition of an answer to my question about ID. An answer that is useless, since he didn't address state-issued, non-driver IDs. Sure. The Williams family wants MY ID for their records, but do we see them offering one? Nooooo.

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Dear Hannah,

I got your response and I am glad to hear that you are going to be able to handle this once the consignment of funds arrived the US. Inorder not to waste further time, a scanned copy of either your Driver Licence or International passport will highly be appreciated by this family for our record. We are entrusting a sum of US$28.5 million United States Dollars in your care and you will have to signed us a letter of guarantee that our share of the funds after you have deducted you 30% and all expenses incured (must be properly taken record of) will be safe.
This is to assure us that you will keep to the terms of the agreement when the fund gets to your account. The guarantee letter you will have to re-type and duly signed by you and send back to me. The text of the guarantee letter is as follows:

I, Mr/Mrs. ��of ��(your full address) do hereby give this letter of guarantee to the Williams Family from Nigeria which I have agreed to receive the family funds worth US$28.5 Million. That I am entitled to 25% for my assistance and 5% to cover all expenses that I incure in the expense of releasing the consignment of funds on behalf of the family. While the rest 70% to be transferred to any account of the family choice upon comfirmaion of funds in my account , that I ��.(your name) will be honest through out the transaction and that I will maintain TOP MOST CONFIDENTIALITY till the successful conclusion of this transaction.

Date:................................

Sign:.................................

Once again on behalf of this family, I thank you so much for your assistance. I will want you to call me immediately you get this email so that we can discuss further on my telephone number:+ 234 802 892 5278, the line is difficult sometimes to get but just keep trying till you get through, please note that if you are dialing from your country the international dialing code is 011 before you dial the number.

Sincerely,
John Williams.

Better ask again.

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You don't seem to have understood my previous email, where I said I don't have
a driver's license or a passport. I do, however, have a state-issued
identification card. Would that be sufficient?

Hannah

Finally! John moves on from the cut and paste and gives me a straight answer!

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Dear Hannah,

Please send whatever identification you have so that we can proceed with this transaction.

Looking forward to your urgent response.

Sincerely,
John.

How very helpful.Cue the famous EgyptKah cut 'n' paste modalities!

First, the "Yahoo done stripped mah attachment!" modality.

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Attached is my state identification card.

Hannah

------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:00:24 AM EST
From: John Williams <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Letter of Guarantee

> Dear Hannah,
>
> Please send whatever identification you have so that we can proceed with
this transaction.
>
> Looking forward to your urgent response.
>
> Sincerely,
> John.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good.

<<MyIDCard.jpg>> - Attachment stripped by Yahoo. Forbidden attachment. For
more information, contact Yahoo support.

Gee, he didn't get it. Cue whining and "hurry up, sick old mum won't last forever" mode.

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Dear Hannah,

Thanks for your response but I did not receive your attachment, please try and send it again along with the Letter of Guarantee. Hannah, I believe my sister must have told you about our mother's health condition and the need for urgency in this transaction so that we can have funds to fly our mother abroad for immediate medical attention. Inview of this, I will want you to act with utmost dispatch by sending the required information.

Endeavour to send me your telephone/fax number for easier communication and also try and give me a call unfailingly today on my confidential telephone number 234 802 892 5278.

I look forward to your urgent reply.

Sincerely,

John Williams.

Oh, I forgot. I threw him a bone on this one attachments-wise. I DID send him a PDF of the Letter of Guarantee, duly signed and dated. It took all of three seconds of copying and pasting into Acrobat, and it yielded a nice 49 K attachment. So, there goes the idea of entering this into the text-only challenge. Darn it.

I did, however, use the "I only have a T-Mobile, and therefore can't call you" modality on him.

Quote:

When you say you didn't get my attachment, what do you mean? How did it go
wrong, so I'll know how to fix it? Here is my letter, signed and dated. I hope
it gets there okay. I tried calling you on your phone, but my T-Mobie phone
won't go through. It says something about not being allowed to call that
country. You can try calling me at 206-666-3170.

Hannah

His getting the totally useless letter of guarantee did have the desired side effect of him begging me to abuse him some more with the "ID that never gets there".

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Dear Hannah,

I did not get the ID you sent but I got the Letter of Guarantee, try and resend the ID again. However, this is to inform you that the diplomat will be leaving for the US today with the consignment of funds and will arrived the US tomorrow. I have already forwarded your details to him so he will contact as soon as he arrive the US.

Hope to hear from you once he contacts you.

Sincerely,
John.

Oh! I'm dealing with a savvy, high-tech lad! Not only does he send me a healthy-sized picture of the "every baiter's seen them at least once" flowery money trunks... (89K!)

He also sends me a 123K mpeg of some anonymous lad-hands loading money into said flowery trunk! Color me impressed. This is heady stuff for a lad. Even if the clip is all of five seconds, postage-stamp size and has a hell of a roar on the audio.

His message read as follows:

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Dear Hannah,

Following my previous mail today, I tried calling the number you provided but could not get through, please try and call me on my number 234 802 892 5278 remember to add the international dialing code ( 011) before you dial the number because we really need to speak verbally. It's 12.45 am thursday morning and the diplomat left yesterday, he will be arriving the US with the two trunks today. Please be prepare to receive him, as he will be needing you to pay the customs charges to clear the trunks out of customs/immigration upon his arrival, I will let you know the exact amount when he contact me that he has arrived. Inorder for you to be rest assured of the content of this trunks, I have a picture of the trunks and also a video clip for your record. Please remember to keep everything as regards this transaction strictly confidential because of the magnitude of funds involved and also for our safety, take note because this is very important.

I will be expecting your call.

Sincerely,
John.

Really obsessed with my ID, isn't he? Maybe it's the clip, maybe it's woman's intuition, or baiter's gut, or whatever, but I'm starting to get a "different" feeling about this one.

This time I give him an 83K corrupted jpg.

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Here is my ID again. I hope you receive it this time. I'm sorry I didn't get
it attached properly.

I tried several times to call you, but it won't go through. I have a tmobile
phone, and I even called the support people there. According to them, the
phone should be able to call any country in thw world, except Pakistan and
Nigeria. That's my only phone. You can leave me a voice mail, if you happen to
get through and I'm not available to talk or I don't have a signal. You are
dialing the right country code first, right?

I appreciate the nice, big, easy to view picture you sent. The video is quite
small, though, and I'm afraid I couldn't really tell anything about it. I let
my husband take a look at it, since his eyes are better than mine, and he
helped me make sure I had the ID attached, so it should go through this time.

Hannah

John is all heart and understanding about the ID thing... The dipstick still doesn't seem to get that I have a problem with my sight.

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Dear Hannah,

I received your mail but still could not get the ID, I do not know why you are still unable to send this. The diplomat has arrived the US safely and he will be in contact with you today. Please do not disclosed the content of the trunks to him to avoid any unforseen circumstance because we did not disclosed the contents to him, take note. Once he has contacted you, do let me know immediately.

Hannah, whatever the customs/immigration charges are, I will want you to try your utmost best to cover it immediately so that he can delivered the trunks to your location today.

I look forward to hearing from you very urgently,

Sincerely,
John Williams.

Hannah decides to ask some more questions, and to finally say, flat out, "Hey, dipstick! My eyes aren't the best!"

Quote:

What do you mean you didn't get my id? I'm sure it was attached properly last
time. My husband checked to make sure it was. Are you positive it's not a
problem with your browser? I have a copy saved in my sent folder and it opens
just fine. Why do you automatically assume that the fact that you can't view
my ID is my fault for not sending it properly. I might be legally blind, but I
do still know how to work my computer. I may have made a mistake the first
time, but I certainly sent it correctly the second time.

Where in the US has the diplomat arrived? I assume he flew in, but to which
airport? And how will he be contacting me? How am I supposed to know he's the
diplomat? Does this diplomat have a name?

After a prolonged silence (a few days) Hannah pokes John with a stick.

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Hello? I thought the diplomat was supposed to contact me. I haven't heard from
them. And you haven't answered my mail. I thought this was supposed to be
urgent. You want to get your poor, sick mother to better treatment, right?

Hannah

If the following mail isn't a total lie, the diplomat doesn't know how to use voicemail. Not a single message. The fact that John says he has been on the phone with this still nameless diplomat becomes important later, though.

Quote:

Dear Hannah,

I received your mail and sorry for my delay in responding to your mail, however, I received a call from the diplomat today and he informed me that he tried to reach you on phone but your phone was on voice message, please let me know if you received any call of this nature.

Hope to hear from you very urgently.

Sincerely,
John.

John tries calling, and also seems incapable of using voice mail.

Quote:

Dear Hannah,

I tried calling but got your voice message, please let me know if you have been able to speak with the diplomat.

Sincerely,

John.

Still no messages. Darn. Hannah persists in trying to get answers to her questions. Frankly, at this point, I was starting to be disappointed in their llack of forethought in casting. Like giving the diplomat a NAME.

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I checked my messages, and there are none. If he called, he didn't leave a
message. Unless you answered my questions in another mail, you still haven't
told me anything about the diplomat or where he is.

Hannah

Next time, Lad geography, and an interestng WHOIS...

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:41 am

John keeps telling me to expect the diplomat's contact, but I'm not having any luck. He also sends me my bad jpg for good measure.

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Dear Hannah,
I received your mail and this to let you know that I have as well tried to reach you on phone but keeps getting your voice message. I have attached the blank copy of the ID you sent because I am unable to see your identificate, the diplomat is currently in hustin texas and he has be waiting to hear from you for the pas 3 days now, his name is Ambassador Peter Kings so please take note once you are contacted.

Looking forward to your quick reply.

Sincerely,
John.

I like how he calls it the "blank copy of the ID". Fair enough. I also leap on John's misspelling of Houston, when I find that there is in fact a similar place name, spelled "Hustin". I'm getting a bit tired of the diplomat not playing, so I decide to have some fun. I apply some nice slaps.

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------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:08:45 PM EST
From: John Williams <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EXPECT DIPLOMAT'S CONTACT

> Dear Hannah,
>I have attached the blank copy of the ID you sent because I am unable to >see
your identificate,

I have no problems opening it up and viewing it, and I'm legally blind. I
think the problem must be on your end.

>the diplomat is currently in hustin texas

I've consulted the atlas, and there appears to be no "Hustin, Texas". The
closest thing I can find is Hustin Drain, Michigan. Could you check the
location again?

>and he has be waiting to hear from you for the pas 3 days now,

Why would he be waiting to hear from me, when no one has provided me with a
way to contact him? I've gotten no voicemail messages from either of you, no
phone number for the diplomat, no email address for the diplomat, and until
this email, I didn't even have a NAME for the diplomat, or know where he is,
other than the U.S. The U.S. is a big place, you have to be more specific than
just "he's in the U.S." And as far as I can tell, the place where you tell me
he is now doesn't exist!

>his name is Ambassador Peter Kings so please take note once you are
contacted.
>
> Looking forward to your quick reply.
>
> Sincerely,
> John.

Well, it's nice that I know his name, now, but that still does me no good in
contacting him, unless he actually gives me some way to contact him, or you
give me some way to contact him, like a phone number or an email address. Or
am I supposed to call up someone at random in this seemingly imaginary Hustin
Texas and ask around until I find someone who knows who he is and where he is?
Will the diplomat be bothering to leave me a message, speak to me directly or
drop me an email? I can hardly communicate with him if he doesn't.

Hannah

Finally! The lad playing the diplomat shows up for curtain call! Yay! There was much rejoicing! What I didn't know at the time was, this lad's got a special air about him. He's different from other lads. But I digress. I get the following, and the diplomat enters the fray.

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Dear HANNAH
I have tried to contact you several times on the number that your partner gave to me with no avail
At this point I have to get upset
Your package has been with the DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES for some time now and this is not proper
I need you to send me a number cell phone where you can be reached
You can reach me on this email as I do not have a phone here in the U.S
I want to also let you know that you will have to pay the DIPLOMATIC COURIER COMPANY
that brought your package the sum of 2,400 dollars
this include the cost of airfright and insurance
I will have to bring your package to you personally when i get it out for the company
I do not have enough time right now as am due to go back to me family and job
I just doing your partner a favour to get this to you
Regards
AMB PETER KINGS

I still love how these lads promise door to door service when they have no idea where my door is. I could live on the moon, for all they know.
I think "Yeah. Right. And monkeys might fly out of my butt!" and reply thusly.

Quote:

------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:02:51 PM EST
From: PETER KINGS <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: URGENT ATT N HANNAH

> Dear HANNAH
> I have tried to contact you several times on the number that your >partner
gave to me with no avail

First of all, did you ever think you might be dialing the number incorrectly?
Or have the wrong number? Try telling me what you're actually dialing, and
maybe I can help you. And for that matter, try using my "partner's" name, so I
know you're legitimate.

> At this point I have to get upset

YOU have to get upset? Listen, buddy, you haven't even TRIED to contact me
through email. My partner wouldn't tell me your name, he claims you're in
"Hustin" Texas, despite the fact that this Hustin doesn't seem to exist,
wouldn't give me a phone number or an email address for you, and I don't have
any voice mail from you, either. So, in other words, I have no proof
whatsoever that you've tried to get in touch with me before now. So I think
I'm the one who has a right to be upset. Or was I expected to read your mind?

> Your package has been with the DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES for some time
now and this is not proper

For some time? It's been in your personal possession less than a week,
according to my partner. I thought taking care of packages was supposed to be
your job.

> I need you to send me a number cell phone where you can be reached

I have one number. You have it. It's 206-666-3170. That's the only phone
number I have. Other people have been reaching me there with no problems. My
voicemail service also works. So why do you seem to be incapable of such a
simple task as dialing a U.S. phone number and leaving a message after the
beep? Surely that's not too difficult for a diplomat, now is it?

> You can reach me on this email as I do not have a phone here in the U.S

You don't have a phone. You have no phone number where you can be reached. Are
you staying in accommodations that have no phone? How have you supposedly been
calling me, if you have no phone and no way to be reached by phone?

> I want to also let you know that you will have to pay the DIPLOMATIC COURIER
COMPANY
> that brought your package the sum of 2,400 dollars
> this include the cost of airfright and insurance

I'd like to see an itemized receipt and bill for this, for my records. Then I
will promptly pay the charges.

> I will have to bring your package to you personally when i get it out for
the company
> I do not have enough time right now as am due to go back to me family and
job
> I just doing your partner a favour to get this to you
> Regards
> AMB PETER KINGS
>

Then get me the receipt and the payment details and I'll get you paid and back
home as soon as possible.

Hannah

So. I have now let the diplomat have it with both barrels. I expect the lad and the diplomat will probably act like nothing happened. Or at least the lad will. There will be pleas for apology, perhaps, but it will be nothing but a time-wasting hissy fit. I am somewhat surprised by my lad's reply.

Quote:

DEAR HANNAH,

I JUST GOT OUT FROM A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE DIPLOMAT AND HE IS NOT REALLY HAPPY WITH YOUR RESPONSE TO HIS MAIL, NO NO NO NO YOU CANNOT TALK TO THE AMBASSADOR LIKE THAT COME ON HANNAH HE JUST SENT ME A COPY OF THE MAIL YOU SENT TO HIM THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR ME AT ALL
AMBASSADOR IS DOING ME A FAVOUR TO GET THIS PACKAGE TO YOU, HE IS NOT A DELIVERY MAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD AMBASSADOR HAS A HUMANITARIAN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT IS OPENING IN MARCH AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WILL BE PART OF THE SPONSOR FOR THE PROJECT THATS WHY HE IS DOING ME THIS FAVOUR HE DOES KNOW THE EXACT CONTENTS IN THE PACKAGE I TOLD HIM PRECIOUS STONES, GEMS AND GOLD ORNAMENTS AND FOR THE FACT THAT HE IS AN AMBASSADOR HE CAN TAKE THINGS INTO THE U.S WITHOUT BEEN SUBJECT TO NORMAL SCREENING AND SEARCHES HE PAID FOR HIM TICKETS I DID NOT EVEN PAY FOR HIM THIS IS MOST DISRESPECTFUL HE IS IN HOUSTON TEXAS NOT WHAT YOU SAID AND HE DOES NOT NEED A PHONE HE DOES NOT LEAVE IN THE U.S THE 2400 HE TOLD YOU IS TO GET THE PACKAGE OUT OF THE COURIER SERVICE THAT BROUGHT YOUR PACKAGE TO THE U.S AND HOW CAN HE HAVE A RECIEPT IF HE DOES NOT PAY AND PAY A PAYMENT RECIEPT?HOW HANNAH HOW I HAVE APPOLOGISE TO HIM A MILLION TIMES BUT YOU HAVE TO WRITE HIM NOW TO APPOLOGISE TO HIM HE DOES NOT DESERVE THIS TREATMENT HE IS A VERY VERY NICE AND HONEST MAN I CAN TELL YOU YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE SAID HE WILL BE RETURNING BACK THIS WEEKEND AND HE HAS TO GET THIS PACKAGE TO YOU IMMEDIATELY YOU CAN SEND HIM THE MONEY BY WESTERN UNION TO PETER KING IN HOUSTON TEXAS FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR PACKAGE OUT AND HE WILL HAVE THE RECIEPT TO GIVE TO YOU I ALSO ASK HIM IF HE CAN GET SOMEONE'S PHONE OR A CHEAP PHONE TO USE TO CALL YOU AND SEND YOU
THE NUMBER PLEASE DO THIS WITHOUT DELAY URGENTLY

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR URGENT RESPONSE.

SINCERELY,

JOHN.

What. The. Hell? This highly freaked out lad-mail has me thinking something's wonky. It's at this point that I go back, and start rereading messages, trying to figure out what's striking me very odd. In the course of reviewing the messages, I find something totally unexpected. I check the IP for the Peter King(s) mail, and the WHOIS reveals that he is located in the U.S.! Which prompts me to 1) doublecheck on the monkeys thing, just to be safe 2) have a few moments of OMGWTFBBQ! reaction, followed by a side of OMGWTFPOLARBEAR! and 3) to run off and consult with some more experienced baiters on the board.

Furthermore, the IP is not only in the States, it belongs to, of all places. Kinko's. Which offers... you guessed it... webcafe-like services at some of its locations. One of the other baiters on the board fortunately has a contact at Kinko's and we're trying to find out if Kinko's has any interest in trying to track the possible Houston-area lad down. Still waiting to hear ont that point.

Anyway, back to the bait itself. I get some older hands to confirm that I'm seeing what I'm seeing, and we all concur that the best course is to try to get a phone number out of the diplomat, to help bolster the evidence that the lad is actually in the States, nevermind Houston. At this point, evidence is looking good that he is.

Righty-roo. So, I email the diplomat, and pray I haven't scared him off completely.

Quote:

I just received an email from John Williams. He claims he just had a telephone
conversation with you. Why is it that when I asked for a telephone number to
contact you, you have none and you don't respond? Why is it that you can make
phone calls to me, but you can't leave a message? This is very irregular, Mr.
Kings. Why is it that you can phone Mr. Williams, and you say you phoned me,
but you cannot be reached by phone? Every hotel and motel from Motel 6 to the
best suites at least have an in-room phone or a front desk phone, yet you
refuse to give me a number where I can phone you. No disrespect meant, Mr.
Kings, but you cannot expect me to just send a payment hat large to someone I
have never seen, or met, who has never spoken to me on the phone or provided
identification to me, and who will not give me any documentation or proof that
they are who they say they are. At the very least, Mr, Kings, I need a phone
number where I can reach you.

And why is it that you can forward my mails to Mr. Williams, but you can't
hold a conversation with me to work out the payment and the delivery of the
package? You claim to be doing Mr. Williams a favor, but you don't seem to be
willing to so much as meet me halfway. I've never done anything like this
before. I'm not familiar with you. You sent me an email, claiming to be the
diplomat, but frankly, for all I know, you could have been anyone. Especially
since I don't think Mr. Williams even gave me your name, your email address or
any identifying information whatsoever about you before you emailed me. Mr.
Kings, for all I knew, the diplomat could have really been named Freddie
Johnson and been in Michigan, because Mr. Williams told me the diplomat was in
"Hustin". Which doesn't exist. How was I to know he meant Houston? And when
you emailed, you only referred to my "partner". Why did you not use the name
"John Williams" to prove you were legitimate?

And for another thing, Mr. Williams seems to think your name is "Peter King".
Which is it? Peter King or Peter Kings? I'm sorry, but I really mustinsist on,
at the very least, getting a contact number for you before I can, in good
conscience, send the payment. $2400 is a lot of money to me, and I don't send
it lightly. Especially when I am approached out of the blue by someoe whose
name I haven't even heard or seen before, who refuses to so much as give me
the phone number where they can be reached. I'll call you, Mr. Kings. You
obviously wanted to speak to me on the phone, so here's your chance. I'll make
the call if you give me the number. That ought to clear up any problems with
you not being able to get through to me, now shouldn't it? Though you don't
live in the United States, you're obviously here at the moment, and you must
be staying somewhere that I can reach you by phone.

Hannah

I also deliver a "For the love of God, man! Get a hold of yourself!" slap to John Williams, and pray I'm taking the right tack.

Quote:

------ Original Message ------
Received: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:56:04 PM EST
From: John Williams <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: VERY URGENT

>
> DEAR HANNAH,
>
> I JUST GOT OUT FROM A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE DIPLOMAT

Why is it he suddenly has a phone when he claims he's calling me, or when he
wants to talk to you, but when I ask for a phone number, you act like I've
requested his left testicle?

>AND HE IS NOT REALLY HAPPY WITH YOUR RESPONSE TO HIS MAIL, NO NO NO NO YOU
CANNOT TALK TO THE AMBASSADOR LIKE THAT COME ON HANNAH HE JUST SENT ME A COPY
OF THE MAIL YOU SENT TO HIM THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR ME AT ALL
> AMBASSADOR IS DOING ME A FAVOUR TO GET THIS PACKAGE TO YOU, HE IS NOT A
DELIVERY MAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

I'm not asking him to be a fucking delivery man. I wanted some damned proof
that he was who he said he was. He emails out of nowhere, you don't even give
me a name or an address or any other piece of identifying information about
this diplomat, he won't leave me a voice mail, he doesn't call me directly,
and he doesn't even refer to you by name, just as my partner. He could have
been anyone. Anyone at all. And since you didn't even give me the right
location for him, how the hell was I supposed to know if he was the right
person or not? I'm not going to send $2400 to any Tom, Dick or Harry that just
emails me and claims to have a package for me. At the very least, I want a
phone number for him.

>AMBASSADOR HAS A HUMANITARIAN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT IS OPENING IN
MARCH AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WILL BE PART OF THE SPONSOR FOR THE PROJECT

And the name of this organization? I'll donate very generously if he actually
manages to give me a phone number. I'll give 10% of my share, in fact. Would
that soothe his poor little ego?

>THATS WHY HE IS DOING ME THIS FAVOUR HE DOES KNOW THE EXACT CONTENTS IN THE
PACKAGE I TOLD HIM PRECIOUS STONES, GEMS AND GOLD ORNAMENTS AND FOR THE FACT
THAT HE IS AN AMBASSADOR HE CAN TAKE THINGS INTO THE U.S WITHOUT BEEN SUBJECT
TO NORMAL SCREENING AND SEARCHES HE PAID FOR HIM TICKETS I DID NOT EVEN PAY
FOR HIM THIS IS MOST DISRESPECTFUL HE IS IN HOUSTON TEXAS

Then why the fuck did you say "Hustin"?

NOT WHAT YOU SAID AND HE DOES NOT NEED A PHONE HE DOES NOT LEAVE IN THE U.S
THE 2400

Doesn't NEED a phone? What kind of idiot do you take me for? He may not live
in the U.S., but he's staying here, isn't he? And unless he's camping out in a
one-man pup tent down in Texas, he's staying somewhere that has a phone. Where
he can be reached. Or are you telling me this very important diplomat can't
afford to stay in a motel where they have phones in the rooms? Even Motel
Fucking 8 has phones in the rooms!

>HE TOLD YOU IS TO GET THE PACKAGE OUT OF THE COURIER SERVICE THAT BROUGHT
YOUR PACKAGE TO THE U.S AND HOW CAN HE HAVE A RECIEPT IF HE DOES NOT PAY AND
PAY A PAYMENT RECIEPT?

Why is it he says in his email that it is with the Diplomatic Courier Company,
then, not that HE is a diplomat? He doesn't even seem to say he brought the
package WITH him. From his email, I quote:

":I will have to bring your package to you personally when i get it out for
the company"

When I get it out. So, why does he act like it's not in his possession and
he's not the one who brought it with him into the country? You said HE had
it.

>HOW HANNAH HOW I HAVE APPOLOGISE TO HIM A MILLION TIMES BUT YOU HAVE TO
>WRITE HIM NOW TO APPOLOGISE TO HIM HE DOES NOT
> DESERVE THIS TREATMENT HE IS A VERY VERY NICE AND HONEST MAN I CAN TELL YOU
YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE SAID HE WILL BE RETURNING BACK THIS WEEKEND AND
HE HAS TO GET THIS PACKAGE TO YOU IMMEDIATELY YOU CAN SEND HIM THE MONEY BY
WESTERN UNION TO PETER KING IN HOUSTON TEXAS

Which is it? Peter King or Peter Kings. He says Peter Kings. You say Peter
King. Make up your minds, please.

>FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR PACKAGE OUT
>AND HE WILL HAVE THE RECIEPT TO GIVE TO YOU I ALSO ASK HIM IF HE CAN GET
SOMEONE'S PHONE OR A CHEAP PHONE TO USE TO CALL YOU AND SEND YOU
> THE NUMBER PLEASE DO THIS WITHOUT DELAY URGENTLY
>
>
> I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR URGENT RESPONSE.
>
> SINCERELY,
>
> JOHN.

So, he's a wealthy diplomat, he can found a charitable organization, yet he
can't afford to retrieve the package on his own and show me a receipt before I
pay?

Something is extremely fishy here. Your stories don't match. Explain and prove
yourselves, please.

Hannah

And I'll be damned if John Williams doesn't give me a phone number for the diplomat in this reply.

Quote:

Dear Hannah,
I received your mail and I must tell you that the diplomat only did us a favour by getting those trunks to the US, so you do not expect after rendering such assistance to us with getting any share of the funds enclosed in the trunks we will now ask him to pay for the customs charges. Like I categorically stated we do not inform the diplomat about the funds in the trunks to avoid any unforseen circumstance. If we had the money to cover this charges, we would not have asked you to do this for us. Please hannah try your utmost best to cover the charges so that the diplomat can make the delivery. He contacted me today and told me that since he has to be in constant communication with you, he had to get a telephone number, please give him a call immediately on his telephone number: 1-832-466-7344. You should realise his generousity and kindness to make this delivery.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,
John.

You could knock me over with a feather when it doesn't prove to be a Nigerian cell. You could knock me over with nothing when I consult with other baiters, check on International Numbering Plans, and we all find that the number does indeed seem to be a Houston, Texas number, probably a cell.

We gots us a States-based lad, it seems. This is why it pays to be careful about safety, people. There are lads in Canada and the States. (And the UK, but that's all the way across the big pond from me, so I'm not as concerned, personally, about UK lads.) Anyway, point being, there can be lads in your back yard. This is the point in the bait where I'm wishing there were a Rian/419 Legal on every corner..

More shortly, and perhaps a bit more on lad location and corporate interest, if I hear anything.

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:11 pm

I make a bid towards getting more information about the scammer's location out of him.

Quote:

I tried calling earlier at the phone number John Williams gave me,
1-832-466-7344 and got a busy signal. Could you please reconfirm that number
as the one where you can be reached?

Also, there seems to be some confusion as to what they payment details are. I
went by my local Western Union agent, and they tell me I can make use of a
more secure transfer that can only be picked up at a particular location. But
in order for me to do that, I must have the recipient's full name, exactly as
it appears on their picture ID, first middle and last, and I need to know the
address/location of the Western Union location closest to you where you can go
pick it up. If you can reconfirm the details for the payment as soon as
possible, as well as the agent location nearest you, I can have the payment
sent today and phone you this evening with the transfer number. The agent is
open until ten this evening.

Thanks,
Hannah

Once more, the diplomat isn't exactly Chatty Kathy. John emails me to see what's up.

Quote:

Dear Hannah,

I tried calling again today but got your voice message, however please confirm to me if you received my previous email with the diplomat telephone number.

Awaiting your quick response.

Sincerely,

John.

The diplomat finally contacts me, and gets all huffy.

Quote:

Dear Hannah
Firstly I just got this number when JOHN told me that you will like to talk with me on phone and Its just you and john that has the number
Secondly I have nothing to do with your payment or your money it does not do me any good so stop making me feel its for my personal gain I am just helping JOHN. I am a DIPLOMAT and a rich one at that .My humanitarian charitable organisation that I am opening in March is the reason why I am doing JOHN this favour when he told me he would support my project.
Thirdly you can send the money to JOHN if you feel more comfortable and he can send it to me.This is becoming DISDAINFUL
JOHN told me that he does not want the packages to be searched and that i should get the DIPLOMATIC yellow tag to enable this and this I have
Finally I will be going back in a few days and will send the two packages back to JOHN through the same means it came
AMB PETER

I love it when these beggars try to play "rich fatcat". It's so pathetic. He does, however, make excellent use of RANDOM capitalization.

John pesters me again.

Quote:

Dear Hannah,

What is going on? why haven't I had from you till now? we are really worried because the diplomat contacted us that he is not happy with your communication with him and since very bittered he will have to return our trunks back? please I need to hear from you very urgent.

John.

Hannah vents. Apologies to tender ears. Meh, I figured I might as well go for broke. Maybe I can start a ladfight.

Quote:

You and JOHN need to fucking get your stories straight. You can't even seem to
agree on what your damned NAME is supposed to be, King or Kings. I suppose you
must be VERY great friends, since your buddy John can't even get your name
right. And the Western Union agent was very CLEAR that I need to have the
EXACT name of the person receiving the payment, and it must precisely MATCH
the identification you show when you go to pick up the payment. I ASKED you to
confirm your full name, and the location nearest you where you could safely
and easily pick up the payment, and you ignored the question. I figured it was
pointless to send you a payment that you can't even pick up, because the name
on your ID doesn't match what's on the payment slip. I tried phoning, and all
I got was a busy signal.

If you're such a fucking rich diplomat, you shouldn't have had any trouble
doing good buddy JOHN a $2400 favor. Why the need to involve me? You claim
you're such a friend, why are you letting John and Susan worry over their sick
mother? Why not pull some strings if you're such an incredibly, rich, fucking
influential diplomat and get them out of the country or help them retrieve
their money? Because that's what's in the trunks Peter. Money. 28.5 million
dollars, U.S. to be precise. A big, fucking hunk of money, and John doesn't
want you to know that. That's right, your good buddy John is pulliing the wool
over your eyes. He's taking advantage of your kindness and generosity, and
mine, to get his money out of the country, and he doesn't want you to know.

He doesn't even trust you. So why should I? Look what he wrote when he gave me
your phone number.

"

Dear Hannah,
I received your mail and I must tell you that the diplomat only did us a
favour by getting those trunks to the US, so you do not expect after rendering
such assistance to us with getting any share of the funds enclosed in the
trunks we will now ask him to pay for the customs charges. Like I
categorically stated we do not inform the diplomat about the funds in the
trunks to avoid any unforseen circumstance. If we had the money to cover this
charges, we would not have asked you to do this for us. Please hannah try your
utmost best to cover the charges so that the diplomat can make the delivery.
He contacted me today and told me that since he has to be in constant
communication with you, he had to get a telephone number, please give him a
call immediately on his telephone number: 1-832-466-7344. You should realise
his generousity and kindness to make this delivery.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,
John."

See that? He doesn't have the money to cover the $2400 himself, yet you
believe he's going to support your charity? He's not even honest enough to let
you know what's in the trunks. He thinks you might take off with his money,
Peter. That's the "unforseen circumstance". That, or he thinks you might get
caught and he's going to let you take the fall for smuggling his money out.
Some friend, huh?

And what's the name of this charitable organization you're opening in March?
Hmm? What does it do? What sort of charity work? And I don't know you from
Adam. I think you're a poor man, myself. If you were really rich, then doing
John a $2400 favor would be nothing to you, and you wouldn't care if he helped
your foundation. If you want to collect the payment, I'm going to need to see
a copy of your ID. If you want John to collect it, you can send me a picture
of YOUR fucking ID, John. Either way, no ID, no money. Frankly, I'm beginning
to think either you're both full of bull or you're both crooked and double
crossing one another. At any rate, if you want money for the trunks, I need to
see ID. You can provide it or get lost. While you're at it, you can provide
some ID or a picture of your sister Susan, too.

Hannah

John sends me a dramatic hissy fit in response to my... well... Dear John letter!

Quote:

Dear Hannah,
I got your mail and must confess to you that I am totally disappointed in your response. Now look at what you have caused my entire family, the diplomat have found out the content of those trunks and soon the US customs officials will find out, this was what I have been trying to avoid since and now it has come up. WE ARE FINISH!!!! I told you that this funds are all we have got, how do we stand the chance of getting our funds.

Oh noes! Not that! Not the diplomats finding out! It even had the dramatic, all caps subject of "LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE COST". The emotion is so deep, you need hip waders, people.

Since John and Peter don't seem all that willing to come crawling back, I figure I'll burn but leave the door open. Some lads try to prove themselves that much harder when you burn them.

Quote:

------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:13:55 PM EST
From: John Williams <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE COST

> Dear Hannah,
> I got your mail and must confess to you that I am totally disappointed >in
your response.

Well, we're even then, because I'm totally disappointed in what an utterly
pathetic and unconvincing frauster you are.

>Now look at what you have caused my entire family,

Who? Your imaginary sister Susan? Who was probably just you with another email
address.

>the diplomat have found out the content of those trunks and soon the US
>customs officials will find out, this was what I have been trying to >avoid
since and now it has come up.

If it's true, which I doubt it is, tough fucking luck, dumbfuck. You couldn't
even provide a damned ID or a personal picture as proof of your identity.
Neither could your supposed diplomat. Frankly, I think you're both full of
shit. If not, then you're stupid, greedy and incompetent enough that you
DESERVE to lose your damned money.

>WE ARE FINISH!!!!

Oh, now! Not "finish"! Not that! Anything buth that! Know what? Good fucking
riddance. I think you're a fake and a fraud and a liar anyway.

>I told you that this funds are all we have got, how do we stand the >chance
of getting our funds.

Try peddling your sad excuse for a story elsewhere, I guess. Maybe you and
your shithead diplomat will get arrested next time. Hope so. Then you can have
lots of fun bending over for your new boyfriend "Bubba" in jail, and listening
to him talk about what a pretty mouth you have. And what a soft bottom.

Fuck off, you pathetic scammer. I think you're lying, and I'm calling your
bluff.

Hannah

Sadly, nothing further heard from either of them, as ofyet. I'm waiting to see if the entity here in the States which owns the diplomat's IP would be interested in helping to find out who the diplomat is, but this one appears to be dead for the moment. I did get the dubious thrill of encountering my first apparently States-based lad, and I learned a great deal, at least. If nothing else, I've learned to listen when my gut says "That's odd." And to check IPs more often... Also discovered a plethora of useful baiting tools and sites for checking things like phone numbers, so I'm pleased, even if this one didn't go much of anywhere.

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:56 am

lol i called that number its a houston texas number i used to live there i can tell by the area code you want me to call and prank his ass??

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:49 am

Might definitely be worth giving him a ring and pretending you got the wrong number, just to see who or what answers. I wouldn't suggest just calling him up from a number that can be traced back to you and tweaking him, since he seemed pretty adamant that he only got that number in response to my character's request. If that's true, and you call him up and obviously prank him, he's probably going to twig he was baited, which, I would rather he didn't do.

You might want to think twice about calling if you don't have a completely anonymous way to call. (Caller ID block doesn't always work the way it's supposed to...)

Oh, wait, I just reread your post. Did he answer when you called?

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:21 am

naww the phone number did not even go thru i belive they prolly skipped already....Yeah i have a call block Restricted (i can block my cell number very quickly but there was no answer anyways so it was not a big deal.

that is a houston cell number thou...832 is usually in Katy outside the inner loop or anyone out of the downtown metropolitan area..usually the area codes there in houston are 713,832,281, and there is another one but its a new area code so i dont remember the numbers.

Cheers...
matt
chicago

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:21 am

832 is cell, 281 is generally outside the Beltway including Katy, 713 is usually innder loop and some inner beltway, 409 is outlying area all the way to and including Galveston Island, north to Tomball, etc.

Incedentally I ran by a couple of addresses today that were in the bait "Houston we have a problem" ove on scamor ama, one doesn't exist, it was a cow pasture off Airport drive and possibly had run down homes there a few years ago, an old drive cut into the curb in one or two spots but none were really near the block number. Second location was a transmission shop at one time, now looks abandoned.

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