Scammed but got my funds back (less 8 %)

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Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

I initially posted this when i joined earlier:-

https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=280853&highlight=

I kept engaging with scammer (later the mod told me cut all contact), i requested him to send a bill of lading before i remit rest of funds. He stated that i send funds to another barclays bank account not initial one to which i sent a downpayment of $5400 to. I told him my boss was overseas but i had signed forms which had the older barclays bank details thereon. I was buying time so he doesn't close the first barclays bank account. Our bank and yourselves were informed.

This is forgery of bill of lading he sent, the tracking no does not match.

I then cut off all contact based on advice by mod here.

I received this message from our bank :-

& finally , after deduction of $439.00

Anyway the mods to whom i sent details to for two banks account no's
did not claim any credit for recall of funds.

Am one of few ones who got a break !!! Some are not as fortunate as I am.

Cool

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

the monies?

that's usually ladspeak. the message might be forged.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:25 am

I second RHd1's opinion. Can you post the headers from that email? Remember to redact your email address and IP.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:53 am

Here's a list of phrases that are grammatically incorrect or freqeuently used by scammers and/or that I have never seen real banks say

as stated by others
"The monies"
"WE HAVE TODAY CREDITED YOUR ACCOUNT" - This alone is a glarring red flag. I have never, ever seen a bank say something like this, especially given it is grammatically incorrect.
"THE FUNDS" - again, phrase commonly overused by scammers. Whenever I see 'the funds' mentioned, it's almost always a scam.
"BECAUSE AS PER YOUR REQUEST" - another poor grammar

All CAPITAL LETTERS, especially in the email subject is another things scammers frequently do, but real organizations rarely do.

I would also be inclined to think you are in fact still communicating with scammers.

Things you can do - if you want to confirm this is genuine. I am not sure what bank do you use, but ONLY contact your bank throught their official website, their official email/phone number. Do not use any contacts referenced by the scammer, or this refund message. Even if you are told "This is email/phone number to my personal office" it is a lie. This is a common scenario - they assign you a representative that takes care of your specific case, that's why he has different email/phone number - as the scammers explain. Use only official sources of communication.

If you find out this is not genuine message from the bank - please follow through with the advice given to you previously and ignore all communications. You were told to stop contacting them, but you also have to ignore everything that comes from them.

They use every trick up their sleeve to somehow lure the victim to messaging them. Anything it takes. Even refunding a part of the money - just to get the ball rolling again. I know of cases where the scammer even admitted to a victim that he is really a scammer only to squeeze out some "pity dollars". They are no lines they would not cross.

If you are not sure if the contact number, email or website you have found is genuine for your bank (because their fake emails and websites are sometimes very convincing), you can always ask some of the moderators around to confirm this.

In the communications you have posted, unfortunately, I see multiple red flags and I would be very cautious.

Edited to add: If you have sent the money from your bank account, then they know what your bank is and they know what bank they should impersonate. Keep that in mind please.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Its genuine guys,
sorry i can only blame bank for poor choice of grammar.
The email is not from yahoo, gmail ,
its actually from xxxbank.com & cc to our bank manager.
I also called the bank to verify receipt of funds.
There is no asking for advance fee for retrieval of funds.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:07 am

shili12 wrote:

its actually from xxxbank.com & cc to our bank manager

Just a bit of advice, not saying this is the case here, but it is a good advice in the long run.

I could send you as many legitimate emails from @xxxbank.com as I want. Electronic communication is easily spoofed, easily hacked, easily faked and as such not to be 100% trusted. Always take emails with a pinch of salt. Wink

Like I said, even if the transaction is genuine, please be cautious, because the scammers will definitely try to lure you back doing virtually anything to do so. When in doubt, you can always refer to advice here. Smile

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

I talked personally to the sender of email, everyone i call at bank seems to know about it. It is valid & genuine , GOSH, you guys are too skeptical of anything. Except for choice of their grammar. probably due to different cultures with diverging ways of mannerism/expression.
The question i am now following up with the bank is 8% deduction charges, (i have to bite the bullet there). They will call me back with feedback.

Cool

Monies: plural form of money

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/monies

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:29 am

shili12 wrote:

GOSH, you guys are too skeptical of anything.

Excuse us for having done what we do for over a decade, having dealt with professional liars from almost the very birth of the phenomenon to this very day and knowing how they work.

As I'm not in the Diplomat Corps of this forum, I will again just leave this to saying that the advice given to you by my eloquent friend Mortal above is both good and reasonable. Whether you choose to follow it is really no skin off anyone's nose in here ultimately, but comments like this won't earn you any new friends either.

That being said, let me add something here:
I have followed this phenomenon for over a decade too, despite of my joining date, and researched it both in practice as well as with academic sources which, if listed here, would make a list longer than this entire thread is by now. And at no point, anytime, anywhere have I heard of victims getting their money back except for very few, very special circumstances where more money as well as political and financial influence was involved than what you, I or anyone here will ever see in their lifetimes.

Good day.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:46 am

Robert Heinrich der 1. wrote:

the monies?

that's usually ladspeak. the message might be forged.

I've seen people in banking use this terminology.

Duckling wrote:

at no point, anytime, anywhere have I heard of victims getting their money back except for very few, very special circumstances

It happens, particularly if (as it appears in this case) there are still funds in the receiving account to cover it, and there are other factors such as the account being fraudulently opened. The difficulty is often that there may be multiple transfers into an account and possibly insufficent funds to cover all of them - the banks then have the difficulty in deciding who should get what refunds.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:56 am

shili12 wrote:

GOSH, you guys are too skeptical of anything.

Sorry, when we give our advice, we don't mean to burst a bubble, or wish you anything bad. We don't want your refund to be fake, actually the opposite is true - we mean well and that's why we are skeptical.

Because, as Duckling pointed out, over the years we have seen it all. We have seen every possible card up their sleeve being pulled up. Time and time again, when we think that scammers can't sink any lower, they do. We have seen people having their pictures stolen, their identities stolen, we have seen cases of hacked emails, fake websites, spoofed caller IDs, fake webcam videos. And mind you, their technology is (sadly) improving, not getting worse.

That's why we have to doubt things. And if the red flags are there, we point it out. In an ideal world, everyone would be as skeptical as us and nobody would get scammed. But we do not live in an ideal world - we know this and scammers know this - and they abuse it to the best of their ability.

Scammers count on people trying to justify things instead of doubting them. They know that some people will think of all the possible reasons why it could be real instead of the other way around. They let them to fill in the gaps on their behalf.

Anyways, like I said, when in doubt, you can always post here for advice. Smile

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Yes, indeed i have verified with customer care of bank, manager of bank & person who sent me email. I called using official bank switchboard line which i have been using all along and saved in my wireless all this time.
I have indeed received my funds back 100% (less 8.13% bank recall recovery charge).

There was no spoofing of email addresses.

Thanks, to all who have been supportive, when i gave my details of barclays bank to mods, i felt i had made the right step.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Well, the likelihood is that you were never being scammed in the first place, even though the company may have seemed to be a little dodgy

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 pm

Mortal wrote:

Here's a list of phrases that are grammatically incorrect or freqeuently used by scammers and/or that I have never seen real banks say

as stated by others
"The monies"
"WE HAVE TODAY CREDITED YOUR ACCOUNT" - This alone is a glarring red flag. I have never, ever seen a bank say something like this, especially given it is grammatically incorrect.
"THE FUNDS" - again, phrase commonly overused by scammers. Whenever I see 'the funds' mentioned, it's almost always a scam.
"BECAUSE AS PER YOUR REQUEST" - another poor grammar

All CAPITAL LETTERS, especially in the email subject is another things scammers frequently do, but real organizations rarely do.

I would also be inclined to think you are in fact still communicating with scammers.

I was inclined to think all of this in the beginning, until I saw full headers and realized this bank is in Africa.

ETA: We are skeptical, and I am sure the OP's comment arises because they went through similar type comments with me outside a thread.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

MorganleFay wrote:

Well, the likelihood is that you were never being scammed in the first place, even though the company may have seemed to be a little dodgy

No sir, the funds had left our account, the scammer had even visited our premises. I have sent his pic and name to the mod. At last minute, we were pushed for that our filters were ready and a 30% downpayment was needed, the final payment is done on presentation of bill of lading. These means goods are en route & before customs releases goods to ourselves, they need the original bill of lading copies.
The scammer called it "bill of loading" Laughing

, its actually lading ( meaning "ownership")
This is a common error also done by the Chinese exporters.^^^

AFter that there was no reply , if filters are ready surely the vendor is quite ready to ship them so as to receive his final balance, in this instance, he just went mum.

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:45 pm

^ You have a PM regarding the Cherrie Mentor Program, shili12.

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