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Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

I recently started my first bait. My mentor encouraged me to post my correspondence so I can learn from all you guys.

I got the lad off this thread.

He's looking for kidney donors, luckily I know a few.

I currently have two interested donors talking to him.

First we have the altruistic old lady

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Hi, I'm
S0orihikia
I got your application. I'm 78, but I'd want to donate a kidney. Am I to old?
regards,
S0orihika

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Ok, problem

I assumed he meant no problem. He then sent me a small application to fill out. I did that and asked once again if he's sure it's ok for me to do this. He was confident it'll be just peachy.

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I want to tell you that donation is personal decision
last year i was having about three women who were already
87 to 90, they still donate successfully no problem at all

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People come here all over the world to donate there is no tension ok

Then asked me

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So as we proceed, wen do you have to make the payment for your
National kidney foundation(NKF), the registration is Rs11,400 only

Just to clarify,

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how much is registration in us dollars?

Appolo hospital Hospital:

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11,400.00 INR = 170.533 USD only

Cool. I decided to try to add confusion.

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So just for registration you already giveme 170 USD?
Great!
Send me the website link!

The lad apparently didn't understand that I thought he was giving me money just for signing up. he sent me some crappy brochure with information about kidney donation. Then this:

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You have to understand that your payment slip need to bear your name
which will enable the Hospital to carry out your registration successfully'
after the registration the Hospital will send you the your registration certificate
immediately, then follow by your invitation letter, you have to provide your information
which will enable you to receive your first installment of $145,000USD, before you can
come for your appointment

I once again tried telling him I understood he was giving me the money

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Dear Dr. Dave (are you Dr. dave?)

Thank you for your help. You do amazing work as a kidney transplant specialist. You must have saved millions of lives by now, it is a pleasure to be speaking with esteemed persons such as yourself. I readthe pamphlet you sent and found it very facinsating. It says tht there are a lot of tests before and after the operation.

I am very interested in donating as i have always wanted too and itwould be nice to before i die. I understand that just for registering you wil pay me money. That is great news.

He once again missed the point.

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Thank you so much for your complement, people like you will always live
longer till God really ask you to come and rest, you are such a wonderful
creature

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So when do you intend to make the payment for National kidney foundation.
i will have to know so that i can send you the information will normally use

I assured him I would love to register

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I wouldlove to get the show on the road if you know what I mean. I thank you for the blessing. It truly is nice to speak to one such as you. I intend to make the payment when necessary. What is the national kidney foundation? is it associated with appolo hospital?

He's happy I'm on board

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Actually every kidney transplant center must have an Affilation with NKF

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Ok, i get you the details for the payment,
Please make the payment Via Western Union or Money Gram

I wanted to slow things a bit and tried telling him about potential donors

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This is facinating. Learning about transplants is a whole new world. Especially from an educated guy such as yourself. you truly give me a new understanding. Does your hospital accept donations?I think I know some potential donors

He accepts and feels the need to assure me he's genue

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Yes, 100% assurance, we do acept

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You are an Elder, i don't have to play with you ilteligency, Neither
will i wish to destroy the image of the Hospital, everything is so genue
thank God you are such an Educated woman too, you could understand
all my language perfectly, am so happy for that, Thank you very much

I tried getting a bit chummy with him, and reminded him about my friends

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I thank you for not play with me. i like you a lot. I always wished I married a doctor. Especially a smart good one like you.
I understan your langage greatly. I'm happy for the 100 persent insurance. How old are you doctor if I may be so curious to ask?

My friend is interested in donating a kidney and money to you. What shoud I tell him/Her?

Not sure what happened here

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Well my pleasure, Thank God you have all my conversation with you already,
that is what every Donors need to know also, once again Thank you very much
am greatful

So I ansered in kind

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My pleasure, fine stuff. Donating kidneys are god's work on this world.

S0rrikah

I keep changing the spelling of my name, he doesn't seem to mind.

Back to business

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So when do you make the payment for your registration?

Didn't I already pay?

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It isn't automatic?

He then sent this to both my emails at te same time. I'm guessing he just wrote this to everyone and wasn't especially suspicious of me.

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Well lest you really decide to proceed please kindly write us as soon as possible
as for now am very busy ok, Thank you very much for your understanding
God Bless

I assured him I was serious

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I very much want to proceed. As I mentioned, I'm eldered and do not know how much time god grants me on this earth and want to give the kidney NOW.

I never used this Money program before. You understaand I'm an elder.I don't know this technogoy

Can I send you a check?

Nope. Apparently I need the exercise

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No, you have to try and excersize your body down to any nearest western union tore
or money gram to make the payment, is very simple in that aspect ok, i promise it does
not take any time, it will not take you more than 5minutes to be done ok

I get the message

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OK tommorrow I will go down to the office.You understand that I'm eldered and this is hard but you insist. I will do it in my zeal for kidney donation. Please remind me to go.

With trepidation,
So0rikah

He's a real sweetheart about it. Again he sent this to both emails at the same time.

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God will always strengthy you and also energize you what time will i reach you? or do you have any number i could use? maybe you will like to contact me also +xxxxxx Thank you

In the morning

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Hello
How was your night, hope you enjoy your rest
please write back ok

Don't worry I'm fine

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My night was good. How was yours?

He's good and rearing to go

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Fine,

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What time will you be going to western union?

I'm going, I'm going, calm down.

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in a few hours. must find address. I haven't been out in a while. I get groceeries delivered. I'm eldered you understand. Please have patients my good sir, I waited 78 years to do this, i can wait an hour longer.

Thank you for your good healthy work,
S0orikah

He'll wait for me. I assume in the operating room with a patient.

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ok, i will be waiting

I haven't gotten back to him yet. He's a little antsy. it's only been an hour.

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How are you, hope good

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

The other contact with him is a middle aged guy. He's a bit nervous about this whole thing. Not so sure he wants to do it. The emails aren't too interesting.

So any ideas on how to proceed?

I'm thinking she goes down to the office and they tell her it's probably a scam. She goes back to him and assures him she believes he's genue. But it seems we need another form of payment. A very 5ecure one.

If anyone has some constructive criticism I'd appreciate it.

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:34 pm

Garnsorge wrote:

I haven't gotten back to him yet. He's a little antsy. it's only been an hour.

This is great stuff, Garnsorge -- absolutely perfect straight-baiting!

The only comment I have (and I don't know if you're already doing this) is to make sure you control the pace of the bait. Only respond to your lad's emails once per day (at most) and, the antsier the lad gets, the longer you take to respond. As a new baiter, I know you're going to be worried that the lad will drop you but (trust me) he won't.

Welcome aboard!

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:09 pm

Welcome, Garnsorge. I'm quite new here myself. You're doing a great job so far with your kidney lad and are playing it beautifully!

Some ideas for you:

1/ You could say you're going to WU but then - because you're "eldered" (lol) - you have a fall in the street. That would buy you some time. You could ask for reassurance that your kidney
will still be useful even though you injured yourself. Also, you could then say that - as you're now housebound - you are going to send your niece/nephew to make the
payment (which they can screw up?). Alternatively, you could ask for a bank account to make a transfer (and get yourself your first piggy!).

2/ You could say you got chatting to that nice clerk at WU and told them what the payment was for - they've told you it's a scam and not to make the payment. What does the lad say about that?

3/ You could say you made payment and send him a huge jpeg file to download that's completely blank (or doesn't open - I've done that). When he tells you he can't open the
attachment you can keep re-sending the same file over and over, and tell him it must be a software problem at his end. If he asks you just for the MTCN number, tell him your old eyes can't read it.

Hope this helps, and good luck with the bait! Very Happy

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:41 pm

You could tell him either:

WU accepted your kidney and it now awaits him at his local WU office OR WU wouldn't accept your kidney and got you arrested. Laughing

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

Thanks for all your ideas, I think I'm going to try and combine it into one horrible trip.

@TLH, I did this all yesterday. I was just testing the waters, figured I'd mess up along the way and he'd twig. I guess I gave him too much credit Smile

I'm going to start taking it wayyy slower now.

I let him know I was about to leave. Soon.

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I am good, still at home. preparing to leave to the bank

The bank? He doesn't seem to like the idea.

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You are going to use western union, don't you have any western you
store close to you, apart from bank?

He then sends me the info I need, so I guess he got over it.

Woah, hold on.

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Western uniomis not at the bank?

Just go already.

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Yes no problem

A bit later

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is already late here, please send the payment slip to my email ok

Well, I went. It didn't turn out as planned.

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I went to the bank, got seriously hurt on the way back. Now at the hospital for injuries. Will contact you after I'm out of the womb.

I'm going to wait a day before filling him in on all the gory details.

On the plus side, things are looking up for Dr. Dave on the other email account. After agonizing for a while Garn is going to go ahead with the donation.

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Dear Dr. Dave
I think I will want to go ahead with the kidney donation. I put much thought into this. It kept me up for the past week. I was plaqued by the thought of thousands of people born with no kidneys, and i couldn't beer the thought that people are suffering in the hell of no kidneys. I have extra kidneys to donate and i feel i must. Do you think i'm making the right decision?

Garn Sorge III

And the shocking reply

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yes

I'll check back later tomorrow to see where the good doctor is holding.

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:33 am

My only advice is to slow things down, especially with the 78 year old. You know how forgetful and confuse folks of that age can be.

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:12 am

Having thought a bit more about it, I would tell him I was arrested/committed at the WU for trying to send my kidney to him and I'll now have to use all the money I've got to pay for a lawyer unless he can help me with my defence.

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:07 pm

You've got to be kidneying! Laughing

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:15 pm

I agree with the advice about slowing down. It's a natural tendency and TLH gives a decent rundown of why not to do this in Eater University.

Personally, when emailing lads, I recommend emails "in inverse proportions." If the lad sends you 30 emails, mail him once every day or two. If he sends you one email every three or four days, blow up his inbox with emails, each containing one separate statement or question.

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:39 pm

I vary the rate of replies; sometimes I write back several times a day (if the Lad is fast to reply) and then go back to once per day even less frequently.

419Eater is my life Joined: 26 Jan 2014 Posts: 262

Great advice from everyone. My favourite character has always been a confused old person - but you could always introduce a daughter-in-law... She could be anything from intellectually challenged to greedy to psychotic. Not been at this for very much longer than you but I have created several hugely dysfunctional imaginary families. When I describe our rather odd hobby to others I liken it to writing a book - full of almost unbelieveable characters - with no idea what's going to happen next. Have fun!

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:33 pm

Welcome Garnsorge. This is an absolutely wonderful bait. Playing the elderly confused person like Merv48 does is a great way to keep a lad occupied. Now that you have his attention I would suggest that you dangle lots of cash.

Your character may find out from the bank manager that he should have been taking required distributions from his IRA for the last 7 years.

I have no problem with educating the scammers about senseless government regulations and sending them items like the following.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/uniform_rmd_wksht.pdf

I would suggest telling the lad that your required distribution for this year is $373,452.99 USD and much later saying that you are now looking for a place that could receive a donation as all of your expenses are covered from just your normal income stream. Tell him it sounds like a lot of money but it really is not. That should get you his undivided attention.

I have taught my lads the miracles of margin calls trading stocks and insider transactions. They just love it.

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:03 am

I'm just chiming in to cheer you on and say "WELL DONE!!" looking forward to reading more of this bait!!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:54 am

I would advise against telling him that you were told it is a scam. You want him to believe that you are fully hooked. You want to give him the money and he is the only one holding that up. In the future when problems inevitably arise, you don't want him wondering if you are serious.

Great job so far, and welcome to Eater!

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

The good doctor gets some sorrowful news

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Dear Dr. Dave,

Apologies for taking so long to answering on my whereabouts. I am afraid I an eldered fool. On my way out of the bank I tripped on a eater and fell down hard on the hard ground. My leg was in pain of the extremed. I shouted for help and our saviour came in the form of a child who called the medicine. On arrival to the hospital, they said my foot was very much broken. I am in great pain now, and have many a cast and crutch. The largest of all agonies is my insecurity regarding my kidney donating abilities. I feel much sily that I caused you to wait so long. Please find it in your soul to forgive my feeble mind.

Dr. will I be able to donate my kidney if my leg ails me so?

Please answer quickly to relieve my burden.

god bless you and my foot,
the

He is unfazed

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Am so sorry for what you really went through, if you are still ready to go ahead to donate no problem ok

You sure?

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Dear Dr. Dave,
Of course I still wish to donate the available kidneys.
Are you sure the foot is not connected to the kidney?
If you are then I must tell you what the bank said

The doc knows best

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It does not affect you in any way, you can go ahead for the donation ok
Thank you

Tomorrow I'll tell him the good news that I have plenty of money.Unfortunately I cant go out of the house to send it.

Garn is also ready to go. Turns out he thinks he has to pay for the operation

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I will need a few days toarrange for the money to pay for the operation. You may contact me in 2-3 business days to see if I'm ready.

Doc is fine with that

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Ok, there is no problem, i will contact you

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

Dr. Dave hears from a new interested party.

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To the esteemed Dr. Dave,

We are a group of americans interested in donating organs. We came accross your hosotal accident and think it will serve us well. We have a very interesting proposal for you, you may walk away from it a rich man. You must be willing to take kidneys and other organs. Let me know if you are interested.

Grame Reaper,
Chairman of the Suicidee group

He's a bit annoying and just sends the dumb form again.

Grame is patient

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Hi dr. Dave,
You dont seem to of read my letter. We are fifteen donors. Please listen to our proposal and tell us if you accept. If you accept we will send in the fifteen forms you request. This will take only a few miinutes of yourtime.

Grame reaper

The doc explains he somehow already knows the proposal

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The Hospital have accepted already, that is why i sent the form ok

Not ok

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Sir I have not explained it yet. I don't know if you will accept it. May i explain?

The doc agrees to hear em out

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Please tell me

The reaper explains the proposal

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We are a goup of people who no longer wish to live. In order to make our deaths worthwhile we wish to die on the operating table donating organs. We wish to have all organs used to save lives including hearts, liver and eyes. You must have the facilities to operate on all fifteen of us at once. If you agree to these terms you will become a rich man. In return for removing our hearts and ending our lives you will recieve all our money. We are worth 930,000 USD all together. Flfill our wish and you willbe rich.

Do you accept our offer?

I am the group spokesman,
Grame Reaper

Sure whatever

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Ok, go ahead and fill the form so that we can proceed now ok

Did you read the stinkin letter?

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You have read and agreed to the terms? You will kill us on the opoorating table by removing our hearts?

We are most impatient so after a minute of silence

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Are you there? please dont waste our time. We are offering 930,000 USD. Do you agree or not?

He's cool with it

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Yes go ahead and fill the form now ok

Ok guess we'll fill em out

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Ok if you agree then I will distribute the forms among the members and have them fill them out for you.

In life and death,
Grame Reaper

I shoulda mentioned, it'll take a few days

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Should be completed over the next few days. I will send them in as they come. Please make a seperate file with their names. Will come in slowly over the next few days

He's ok. Twice.

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Ok

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ok, am waiting

So one form every morning and another every evening?

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:09 pm

I think an agreement of this magnitude would require a signed agreement form from our boi, Dr. Death. Just an idea for wasting some extra time. Surely, one or more lawyers of the victims, I mean donors, will want this all in writing.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

Good point. I'll get to work on one.

Not quite a Newb Joined: 23 Mar 2016 Posts: 26

Quick update. He told the old lady he feels bad for her but if she can't send moneygram then forget it. So I'm sending moneygram, but since she can't walk her daughter in law who hates her has to do it. The daughter in law is taking forever....

I'm feeding him forms slowly from Grame reaper. Told him I'll send him a contract when I finish sending all fifteen. He agreed to sign. Should the contract ask for a pic with him in scrubs or a doctor coat, or is it too early?

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:08 am

How long has your lad been on the hook? Is he totally off script? Do you talk about other things besides donations in the emails? Trophies usually require a certain degree of investment by the lad and a good reason to ask, like your group would feel far more comfortable putting a face to the name and that it should be in what he wears in the OR. Or any other excuse.

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:40 pm

I would expect you receive something like this:

It is very difficult to get a picture from a lad that you absolutely know they cannot produce.