My thoughts as a newbie and piggy story

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419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

I want to share some newbie thoughts and how i earned my first two piggies.

I joined eater not only because i want to give scammers a taste of their own medicine, it was because i was fascinated by the stories, all the fantasies, pop-culture references and good laughs you gave me. At first i did not wanted to join because i thought no, not another time consuming forum, and of course i made all the silly beginner mistakes and had no real sucess in baiting. So i started reading the forum and joined. I signed up the mentor program and already am in contact with my mentor. I want to learn more and i am very happy to profit here and also share my thoughts. I can offer translation help to german, french, italian and chinese. I can also help to play any character, but you better choose the more experienced baiter for that.

I had to learn it is very important not rush into things at first. I learned how an "uneducated" baiter will "educate" the scammer. All the excitement from my beginner-fantasies of scambaiting gave me a wrong impression of what i' am capable of doing with the scammer. After reading Shivers stories i already saw myself sending some scammers to the north pole. But with all the rookie excitement i got no sucess and i hope i made not too much damage there. I learned i have to be very careful and very patient even to get some small sucess. I also had to learn from here to make it safe in every way, and also got myself some basic skills like reading headers, tracking IP adresses and how to add a piggy to my signature.

This is why i concentrate on a slow and straight bait on some scammers who cheat the users of the local online auction platform in my country. It is also those scammers who let me earn my first two piggies. I will have some fun and more experience with them first until i choose a lottery winnings or heritage scammer from my gmail spam.

here is the story, i will not post the original emails because those are not in english.

-Scammer contact me with the online platform's "question button" and send his encrypted email adress. The online platform delete those questions immediately because they know it is scam. But i still got the email notification. I contact the scammer in our local dialect, for sure he did not understand anything. He send me his standard script answer, something like "i want bargain goods, pls send info for paypal, want to make fast transaction. All in very bad translation to german.

-I send him offer for my notebook for 750 credits of my country, still in local dialect and added some cursing too.
-He says he is from my country but out of country at this moment and he want me to give him my paypal details because he want to make it fast.
-My answer: aha.
-His reply is all about how convenient of paypal and if i have no account i should make it and he have no access to his online banking this is why he want paypal.
-I ask questions about shipping adress and who makes the shipping. No answer about that. So i tell him OK i will use this Paypai.
-That makes him response with ok open the account and gimme your details ok for payment ok
-I ask him again who will come for the pick up.
-He replies, the shipping company will come to my home n pick it up all he need now is my full paypal details.
-I tell him ok but i need to open an account first that will take several days. Meanwhile i ask him for an adress and some details for the customs. But no answer.
-He send me a script for insert my paypal adress, name, product and cost.
-I tell him will fill out his script after finished the opening of account. And i ask him again for the customs details.
-He promise me to give me those details after the payment and before the shipping company will come.
-Told him there is no lake or river near my house, how can the ship from the shipping company come for the pick up.
-After he doesn't reply again i tell him my paypal account is finished and loaded. I ask him again what details he need.
-He sends her script again (adress, name, etc)
-I tell him i send it tomorrow. The next day i copy his empty script into my reply and send it with "here are my details"
-A whining "can not see your details resend pls" from him.
-I tell him to check his computer settings and send the empty script again. I tell him to make the money transfer fast.
-no answer, thought i lost him.
-I ask him if he could make the payment, his product is ready for the shipping.
-He is whining again if i dont send him my details he can not make the payment.
-I tell him in blod letters i already sent it twice and why he still not make the payment. Ask him if he need more of my details and i give him my fake "funny adress" and tell him the ship can come mo - fr 8-11.30am and 1.30 - 4.30 pm for the pick up.
-His reply is please only give your email adress which you use for register your paypal.
-and i give him my same email adress which we already use for the conversation now.
- 5 minutes later he send me 3 paypal notification from a fake paypal adress, this time in english. He says there is 1600 credits waiting for me, but i have to pay the shipping cost in advance (850 credits) so he can release my money to my account.
-I complain to him and say my agreement with the buyer was 2450 credits.
-He resend the paypal notifications this time with 2450 credits waiting for me. In this notification he send bank account no. 1 = my piggy no. 1
-I tell him i went to the bank and this account is not working.
-He answers it's because their agent from the shipping company is in holidays this is why i should send the money to another bank account, this time in the UK = piggy no. 2
-I tell him i will make it quickly and i do not want to lose those 2450 cr. because i really need the money but i also ask him if i really can trust this buyer and if he can send me the buyer's adress n other details.
-He advise me not to panic, they have business relationship with this buyer for more than 5 years and that my money is safe with them, although i should hurry with the payment otherwise the money will be gone...
-I thank him for his informations and tell him i now fully trust the buyer and will make the payment in the next days. And btw, i always adress him as "Dear Mr. Paypal"
-Some days later i send him a complaint that i could not send the money again because the bank want some anti-terrorist funding form filled out. I beg him to hold my money a little bit longer and beg him for assistance in that matter and that i am really scared to lose the money. Also if he can inform the buyer of another delay because i am scared to piss off the buyer.
-He advise me to open an ebanking account because my bank only try to to their job and they don't know about paypal policy.
-I tell him i will have business near the shipping company headquarters and can brin the cash money to them.
-His reply: We want you to know that if you do not follow our policy there is no way we could activate the money to your PayPal account.
-I tell him again i will be there tomorrow and bring the cash anyways, can not see any restrictions about that in their policy.
-Now he tells me the shipping company have holiday tomorrow and nobody is there and i really should make ebanking and send the money to UK. If not possible i can make western union and he give me the details for WU.
-I stop answering him and send a new email to the buyer to tell him the paypay guy is so bad and he makes a big delay because he give me wrong bank accounts and that it is not my fault and i still want to make the transaction cause i really need the money. Ask him if there is no other way (or third bank account) for make the payment.
-He advise me to use WU there is no other way.
-Asked him what is this western onion and where do i have to go to make an account.
-He explains WU and send a link and tells me i can go to WU office if i don't trust the internet.
-I ask him is it safe?
-According to him it is safe.
-Back to fake Mr. Paypal, tell him i will make western onion, but he need to confirm again which product the customer buy. (Let's see if he still remembers)
-He remembers.
-My next question: Thank you. when will the shipping company arrive. They make the transport by car, by plane or by ship?
-By plane
-Now i tell him: I could finally made the payment after i went directly to the bank. Please send the plane for the pick up. The notebook is ready for pick up.
-Send the receipt, he answers
-i have to scan the receipt first. How big you need it and is it ok i send as .wav document?
-Scan and send the receipt!
-when i scan it and send it it will be a pdf file, you need a program called adobe acrobat reader, do you have this?
-Yes send it in pdf format ok
-Hello here is the scan of the payment slip for the transport for ... Please confirm the reciept of the email and of the money. Please tell me as soon as possible when the plane come for the pick up. (sent with no attachment)
-Me again after 2 days of no answer: Can you please confirm the receipt of the money and tell me when the shipping company comes for the pick up? Everything is ready and we don't want to disappoint Mr. Buyer Thank you.
-We can see you are joking with my organisation because we did not receive any receipt from you and if you don't stop all this we will use legal action against you.
-I slap him how dare he threaten me with legal actions but also whine to him i am scared to disappoint the buyer and how bad i need the money. I ask him for the email adress of his boss. So he can give me another bank account and we finally can settle the transaction to our full satisfaction. Meanwhile i send email to the buyer that i am very unhappy and that Mr. Paypay is threatening me and i don't trust him anymore.
-Both of them reply to me no need to panic i really should use WU for the transfer now. And he send me the WU recepients details again.
-I tell him OK i use WO but i'm gonna need his help because not familiar with the onion.
-He tells me again how to use WU.
-I tell him i lost his previous email, can he resend the payment details.
-He resend it.
-My next question: Is it 850 Dollar or 850 "credits of my country", that was yesterday and now waiting for his answer. Let's see what happens.

I already contacted the buyer again with a different account 2 days ago. This time i let him choose the size and the color of the product first. I will stay with him a little bit longer to learn more about him and because he is scamming the local people from my country.

I hope i did not bore you and the text is not too difficult to read. English is not my native language. I will feel happy for your thoughts and comments.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:25 am

Good work and yourr messages are understandable! Straight baiting might not be the most exciting, but it is the basis for all the other hilarity you read!

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:26 am

Congratulations on your first piggies! Well done.

And it seems to me that you are doing a good job reading your lad. Knowing when a lad is about to twig is important. You are doing a great job balancing the delay with the payment stage.

And I know I'm not the only person that wants to read a north pole safari. Laughing

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

Thanks to both of you for your feedback. It is very important to me to know it is understandable. Hope i can contribute more in the future.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:39 am

Grüezi Doraemon Wink

straight baiting can cause lads a lot of pain in lost bank accounts, websites and wasted time, especially if you are playing someone with a poor understanding of English, which can cause many problems when it comes to the payment stage. And you can still add fun to it with ridiculous names and addresses in your local languages.

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

Grüezi b8er Very Happy

So you noticed my hints about my home country. Yes it is true the poor understanding of English can add an interesting note of confusion for the lads. I will definetly take advantage of that. Our baiting names is one of the most funny parts anyways. Right now i am baiting with Herr Harry KIein and waiting to introduce Herr Derrlck for more confusion. German speaking europeans will know those two... Smile

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:21 pm

This made me laugh

Quote:

Told him there is no lake or river near my house, how can the ship from the shipping company come for the pick up

Good job on frustrating this lad Thumbs up

Baiting Guru Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 12237

That is some fantastic straight baiting!

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:07 pm

Many a "diplomat" has spent a fraudstrated few hours waiting at Zürich HB for äter and a couple have even travelled to near the Italian border and back by taxi.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:28 pm

Quote:

here is the story, i will not post the original emails because those are not in english.

I, at least, like baits in other languages. I published one in Spanish four years ago: https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206324 . I have another one in Portuguese, all downloaded but I need a Portuguese native speaker to look over the translation, to tell me when I inadvertently made an error (I intentionally made some errors in the Portuguese, but I've had only four weeks of exposure to Portuguese).

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

B8er wrote:

Many a "diplomat" has spent a fraudstrated few hours waiting at Zürich HB for äter and a couple have even travelled to near the Italian border and back by taxi.

just found this story and it was a great job. If you ever need help from "capital city" tell me Twisted Evil

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

the story of my auction house lad continues... usually i answer him just once a day but sometimes i can not resist and keep him busy 2 times a day. This lad have a hard time because he plays the buyer communicating with me in german ( = KK), and the Paypal Agent (=PP) who write to me in english. The lad does not understand any german and obviously using google translate, this is why i will post all the german conversation google translated, so you will actually see what the lad is reading. Sometimes the translation is very funny because i try to imitate the writing of an old geezer.

me to PP:

Quote:

SENT FROM MY IPHONE

.....

I just want to inform you i am at western Onion Uffice and i will make the payment now. But i need 2 things from you. Please answer immediately otherwise i can not make the money transfer here right now:

1. Question / Answer for security reasons
2. 850 Dollar or 850 local credits

thanks

me again, 3 hrs later to PP:

Quote:

Ok the payment is ok. I made it 850 US Dollar because i had no answer from you. The secret question for the withdrawal is: Who?

And the answer is: Otilio. Please note for security reasons i made the O is 0 and the I is i and the i is l i hope you undestand. Do you need the receipt or is it enough i send you the transfer no.?

me to KK:

Quote:

Hello I was today in Western U and I paid . But the Lord does not answer Paypal . Please tell me what I should do . ThaHnk you

PP:

Quote:

Send the receipt

me to PP:

Quote:

Do i have to send the original receipt by post mail or is it ok just email it? I have no scanner so how can i make it? Is it ok 850 USD? i hope i did not make any mistake because we really should hurry with the transaction, i had to take a loan from my daughter to pay for the shipping cost. And i dont want Mrs. K. get mad about me.

Kind regards

me to KK:

Quote:

Hello Ms. K. please do not be angry , I 've now paid for pick up. I need the money from you urgently . What should I write on the package ?

PP:

Quote:

Take the picture of the original receipt and send it to us now

me to PP:

Quote:

I will send it tonight thanks for the informations. But when i take photo it will not be pdf. You may need a special program called "windows" on your computher. My daughter will help me today to make the photo with her analogue camera. OK for you?

me to KK:

Quote:

Hello Ms. K. I have the pdf sent to the Paypal . The aircraft can come now . Please say which they are to use the runway at the field next to the house . We apologize for the problems and delays . Kind regards

me again to PP because no answer after one day:

Quote:

Hello,

I went to Post office for make the scanning. You find the pdf file in the attachment. Can you please confirm the receipt and also confirm the release of my money?

pdf file attached, two blank pages

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we can not see anything on the receipt you sent to us and we will advise you to email us with the details below,
Sender's Name:
MTCN:
Question:
Answer:

We will be waiting to hear from you soon with the details above for us to activate the total sum of your money to your PayPal account today.

me to PP:

Quote:

Why you can not see anything in the file i sent you? When i open the file i can see 2 page of photocopy of my western union transfer slip.
I send it again here but maybe you have to update your abobo acrobat reader.
here is the details:
Sender's Name: snipped
MTCN: --------where do i find it?--------- pls i need your help
Question: Who?
Answer: 0tiIio (Please note for security reasons i made the 0 is O and the I is i and the i is li hope you understand)
Can you please confirm the receipt and also confirm the release of my money?

Advanced thanks

pdf file attached, two blank pages

me to KK:

Quote:

Hello Ms. K. , I'm really sorry but the Lord Paypal claiming he could not open the pdf file . Are you sure that these are PayPal safe? It strikes me as funny because I really had to go and I paid borrow extra money by Western Union . I need your deposit please tell the paypal he will help me . Many thanks!

PP:

Quote:

We hereby tell you that we have activated the money to your PayPal account please confirm it now 'fool'

me to PP:

Quote:

Thank you for your quick reply and for activate the money. How long it take until it arrives on my paypal account? I think i found this MTCN no. you asking me, is it this 10-digit number? please i need your help my eyes is not that good anymore in my age (69). Sorry i do not understand the meaning of IfooII??? Can you tell me when the shipping company arrive for the pick up? Can they please call before they come because i may not be at home sometimes. Thankk you

PP:

Quote:

go to heaven

me to PP:

Quote:

Sorry sir but what seems to be your boggle? How can we come to a solution of this? Mrs. K. is waiting for her notebook so long and i waiting for my money all is because of your strange behave. Please advise me what to do. Please.

PP:

Quote:

go to hell

me to KK:

Quote:

Lady K. , May I forward my conversation with the Lord by paypal ? Please see for yourself that the Lord is funny. How do I get back to my money and how can I sell them my notebook ? Please tell me what I should do. Kind regards

me to PP:

Quote:

I will forward our conversation to our buyer. I am sure Mrs. K. will be very angry to hear you screw up our transaction. I will go to WU and get my money back tomorrow. I will find a way to settle the transaction with Mrs. K. without you. Sorry it come out like this but i feel it is not my fault.

me, forwarding the message to KK:

Quote:

Lady K. , Here you will find the news of Paypal . Please see and determine that it is not my fault. He tells me I should go to hell. I think that's a joke. My daughter read it straight and is horrified . Do I like the blank ? I'll look for the email from his boss . I think you should choose another company for their transactions . How can we come to terms now ? Can you give me specify a bank account for the 850 transportation fee ? I'll get my money from Western U tomorrow and it can then be transferred with ebanking from my daughter . What do you think? Kind regards

KK to PP and me:

Quote:

PayPal please contact us that you do not send them any Western union input and there is no way , PayPal is the To enabKK to PP and me:le funds to your PayPal if you do not then you sent the proof of payment that you made to the shipping company

PP:

Quote:

Send the 10digit you see in the western union receipt to us now

me to PP:

Quote:

sorry i will wait for the advise of mrs k. but it seems she is not at home and i will go out now and check if she reply tomorrow morning.

good night, sir.

KK:

Quote:

Your money is safe with PayPal send me the 10digit from West then got I'll contact PayPal to get the money to your To activate PayPal account

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that your money is ready for activation but we are still waiting for your response with the 10digit number on the western union receipt ok

but i let him wait one more day.

PP: (the next morning)

Quote:

We are still waiting for your response or you want us to use legal action against you?

me to PP:

Quote:

Sir,
My daughter went to Western Union this morning to get back the money. But she make it at her own without me knowing will and i scold her afterwards. She promise me we can use her ebanking for our transfer TODAY or tomorrow. We really want to finish our business we have together to fully satisfy Mrs. K. You can give me a WORKING bank account so we can make the money transfer today. Or else i have to go back to western unions office on monday, which i will only do to please Mrs K., and only because she promise me that you are genuine and legit company.

Expecting your hopefully positive reply

and me to KK:

Quote:

Good day Ms. K. , Thank you for your understanding of my problem . My daughter is gone but today early Western Union and has the 850 retrieved . My daughter else to do with their ebanking today or tomorrow the transfer . What else do I have to Western Union office and the new transfer 850 again on Monday . But the Lord of Western Union switch has also said there could be fraud and PayPal does not normally involving Western Union . But if you say it's safe then we do it. I trust you and I want my money and you your notebook . We apologize for the new delay . I will now I write the Paypal Lord he hopes is not coming back so rude Kind regards

PP:

Quote:

We really sorry how we approached you yesterday but seems to us you are joking with our organisation because the receipt you sent to us yesterday has no information about western details is just blank sheet and we ask you to send us the 10digit you got from western union which you could not provide us that is why we responded to you in that manner and since you said your daughter could send money to the shipping company through E-banking then we will contact the shipping company to give us there working bank details so that we can give you the details and your Daughter could send the money there. Just wait to hear from us soonest.

me to PP:

Quote:

Thank you sir and i am sorry too about yesterday and verry sorry about my daughter take action of her own. My daughter is ready for make the favour of transfer the money with her ebanking. Waiting for your response after your reply from the shipping company.

have a pleasant day sir.

and now i smell bacon again. I really thought i lost him at one point but think i could save it. And i have to say whoever wrote straight baiting is not exciting he is wrong. I had quite some fun and excitement the last few days...

and here is the sidequest: 5 days ago i contact KK from another account. Also in german, will already show the translation.

me:
Good day, You have written to me in R. a question you might be interested in my part of the vehicle . What do you want to know ? LG W0If GrylIs

KK with her standard script: How long you hear it ?? and what is your actual price. I love a bargain , so I want it as fast as I can , in To bring order to afford for me to pay .

me: Thank you for your interest. The parts are all new & original , and you can choose the color and size . The price is credits 1099.00 per piece . Please tell us if you want it then I close the offer . Thank you

KK: Bin from <country snipped> , but currently in Sweden . I'll do anything , Transport arrangements for it to be transported to my home.PayPal is very good to back up , store, and very easy to work with Means PayPal account PayPal only go www.paypal.com and open and account them.Provide me with the info below for the payment of the product: PayPal Name : PayPal E -mail address : Product name: costs: Get back to me as soon as possible so that I with the go payment..ok

me: OK I can do so with the Paypal . If the price is so right?

KK: I agree the price all I need from you now is your Full PayPal ok to Payment

me: OK , I give you the Paypal information , but you must first indicate to me what size you want . Then I can make the delivery and you enter the Paypal account to make the transfer .

KK:

Quote:

I want the size that you have , and I 'll be waiting for your PayPal complete the payment ok

me:

Quote:

ok I give them my Paypal details but you need me really indicate the size . Without that I can not make any statement . There are the usual Strandardgrössen , but you need to tell me exactly what I can send you my Paypal . Many thanks.

KK:

Quote:

120cm

me:

Quote:

I always need Length x Width . So 120 cm x ??? cm . Please enter the missing information . Then I give you today my Paypal Address .

KK:

Quote:

120 cm x 20 cm

me:

Quote:

Hello there, Do you think 120 cm x 120 cm ? Because 20 cm does not exist .

KK:

Quote:

I made a mistake is 120 cm x 120 cm

me:

Quote:

I also have a Feeler please excuse . I forgot to ask the desired color. Will it then supplement on the delivery note , and then send them the same PalPal information.

me again:

Quote:

Can you please make quickly so that I can send you my Paypal details ?

KK:

Quote:

How many colors do you have?

me:

Quote:

We have 3 different colors . See the pictures at the auction in R. Or should I tell you the colors by e-mail ?

KK:

Quote:

Yes tell me the color in my email

me:

Quote:

We have 3 different colors :

-Reddish Green

-Shitty Brown

-Pink

What I can rely on the delivery note ? Then we can complete the sale .

KK:

Quote:

I want the three , how much are they?

now i will let him wait until monday. I will make some confusion on how many pcs he really want. And also make some stalling until his fake paypal adress get killed. At first i thought this lad is boring and annoying but now it is a very interesting and exciting baiting experience for me.[quote]

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:01 pm

Excellent work. Especially the part about playing the lads against each other. This is a great tactic. When the payment lad starts to bitch about the problems, you can tell the first lad that you do not trust the other one because he seems unprofessional. You might even think that payment lad is trying to rip off the both of you. By confiding in the lad this makes your character look more real. It establishes trust and in my experience often produces results.

There is nothing wrong with contacting a lad twice in one day, but don't make a habit of it. Be patient. Remember that you want the bait to progress the opposite way that the lad wants it. You are in the driver's seat here, not the lad. Use the gamblers fallacy against him. The more time (money) he has invested against you the more he expects to get paid off.

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

Thank you for your thoughts. Sometimes it is not easy and have patience to wait when you think meanwhile other people get scammed by him. Have to find the right mix of keeping him busy but also working efficient to get his bank accounts.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:20 pm

Do not talk to Goat Boi (aka B8er) it will only lead to mental deficiency and maybe syphilis.

Congrats on your pork! Very Happy

ETA a r.

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

great mails

one thing, that might be handy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character#Hair_spaces_around_dashes

--> <-- (here is one between the arrows, so you can copy-paste it).

a special character that acts like a space, but without virtually any space between 2 letters. if you place that inside an email address, google translate will happily translate your mail address.

same goes for question-answers... google translate will translate it.

as a side effect, those characters are not allowed in mail addresses, so he will have a hard time at copy/paste.

could be quite annoying for lads who have to rely on translation. sadly, google translate ignores spaces (normal, thin and hair) while translating. but maybe other translation services can be fooled with that.

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:10 am

^^^ Typos work as well. Swap a couple of letters around or miss one out and it should still be understandable by anyone who understands the language, but Google will just ignore the words.

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

Justcold wrote:

Do not talk to Goat Boi (aka B8er) it will only lead to mental deficiency and maybe syphilis.

Congrats on your pork! Very Happy

ETA a r.

I am immune to syphilis and for my state of mind, there can be no harm done after reading all the lads mumbo-jumbo and lying.

Oh very nice info about the whitespace, this will be useful for more confusion. My use of typos depends on the character i play. Before i send the message in german i always check the translation first and somtimes change something to let the lad read exactly what i want.

btw. he sent a new bank account today = my third piggy

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:24 pm

Great baiting!

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:59 am

I see great things ahead in your future, Doraemon! (and many anguished lads with gnashing teeth!!) Brava!!

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

Thanks to everybody for the flattery. This is very motivating.

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:56 pm

Keep up the great work!

419Eater is my life Joined: 11 Sep 2015 Posts: 333

and here's the update. It begins with my third piggy bank Very Happy

New Message from PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we are glad to inform you that shipping company has given us their head quarter account details in Sweden and you have to send the 850.00 Credits to the account details below and get back to us with the copy of the payment slip receipt you use to make the payment for us to proceed with the activation of the 2,450.00 Cr. to your PayPal account.

Here is the shipping company account details below,

ACCOUNT HOLDER NAME: Swedish name with a lot of å (gives me an idea for later…)
BANK NAME: Some Swedish Bank
BANK ADDRESS: somewhere
BIC: whatever
IBAN: some letters and numbers
Account Owners Address: swedish tundra somewhere

Thank You For Using PayPal.

PayPal Account Review Department
PayPal Email ID530.

Wait for your quick response we help us to serve you better

Thank you for using PayPal!

Me to PP:

Quote:

Dear sir,
Thanks you for the informations. My daughter will visit me tomorrow morning and we make the ebanking together. My daughter is very ashamed of have wasted our precious time.
But may i ask you one question, there may be some confusion of yours. We are not in Sweden we are in <some other country>. We dont wnt the shipping company make any mistake and come to the wrong adress in the wong country.
I will tell Mrs. K. about our good progress in the matter of the payment, thank you sir.

Me to KK:

Quote:

Good day Ms. K. ,
I just want to let you know ass everything is fine with Paypal . Paypal have given me a bank account . Tomorrow, I will refer to my daughter and she then informed again if everything is in order . My daughter is ashamed much for yesterday . Excuse me once more. I am delighted that we can finally make our business done.

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that after you send the money to the shipping company tomorrow then you will send your address to us and we will forward it to the shipping company for the pick up at your home address in <some other country>.

Me to PP:

Quote:

Good morning sir,
But the bank adress is in Sweden and i know a lot of foreigner confuse <this other country> with Sweden and Swaziland. Is it for sure there is no mistake? Can you please give us a second working bank account just for be sure we can make the transfer today. Waiting for my daughter now to arrive, than we send the money to the shipping company.
Waiting for your reply.

PP:

Quote:

The account is good and there is no mistake send the 850.00 Credits to the Sweden account sent to you.

Me to PP: (early morning)

Quote:

Thank you sir for the confirmation. Still waiting for my daughter. I will tell you after we finished the ebanking transaction.

Me to PP: (late evening)

Quote:

Dear sir,
I am really sorry i have to tell you we could not make the ebanking payment today. My daughter had an emergency. Her beloved pet dog Granfalloon had a severe case of gingivitis and she needed to bring him to an emergency doctor. Ever since she change his diet to vegan the dog only suffers and we don't know why. Please excuse the delay of today.
I promise, and my daughter promise too, we will make the ebanking money transfer payment tonight in the evening after my daughter finish her work. Can you please inform Mrs. K.of the status? I have no time right now.
Thank you for your understanding sir.

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we have been waiting for your reply since yesterday how you tell us what is going on?

Me to PP:

Quote:

Dear sir,
Sorry again about the delay yesterday. I just want to tell you we will make our transfer tonight after my daughter come home from work. I will inform you when we start the ebanking log in. We will send you the payment slip after finished and we will also send it to Mrs. Kington for proof. How long usually until the payment arrides at the shipping company?

Me again to PP, because i want to make him feel excited about the payment :

Quote:

Dear sir,
I inform you my daughter is here and we start the ebankig now. We will be finished in 10 min and send you and Mrs. K. the slip.

Me to PP, 30 min later :

Quote:

URGENT REPLY NEEDED - BIG PROBLEM
Dear sir,
We are desperatly trying to make the ebanking to the following bank account:
Account details snipped, but you remember the swedish account with the å
We have a problem we can not entry the account holder name and the bank adress. How to find this "a" with a circle on the top on the keyboard??? We try everything but we can not find it. We need it for the name and for the adress
Pls help us we want to finalize the money transfer!!!

Me again 5 min later:

Quote:

Please sir we try everything we can not make this stupid a with circle. Please answer and help us. When i use the normal a for the name space the ebanking always show:
account holder name does not match the account number
how can we solve that problem? I told you to give us another account just for emergency case like this!
Advanced thanks

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that you need to wait because we have contacted the shipping company and waiting for there reply we will get back to you soon.

Me to PP:

Quote:

sorry for the delay but that is a problem i never had before and did not think this can occur.
waiting for your response. My daughter says she can come again tomorrow if no answer from the shipping company today.

One minute later he sends:

Quote:

Same swedish account, but changed all the å to a

Me to PP:

Quote:

Hello thanks you for the quick informations. But that is the same bank account. Still with those stupid (a-with a circle on the top) letters i do not have swedish compsuter keyboard pls check it by yourself there is no letter like this on our kezboard. The ebanking always show ERROR when i try without that letter or use normal A for the name.
Maybe the shipping company knows how to make this letter?

PP:

Quote:

Account Owner Name, this time change å to ä

Me to PP:

Quote:

When i entry the name like this the ebanking shows:
ERROR account holder name does not match the account number
we try many times already with many different way of writing the name but it seems the system need the exact spelling of the swedisch name which contains this strange letter. Same the Name of the Bank adress, i can not entry it the ebanking does not accept it. My daughter call the ebanking ceviche hotline now to ask them for help. Or maybe you can give me your phone no. so you can help me more directly.
GBAdvanced thanks

PP:

Quote:

Log out from you e-banking and log in again and enter normal 'a'

Me to PP, my goal was multiple pork:

Quote:

Dear sir,
We already try this many times. The ebanking hotline tells us the account holder name have to be correctly and exactly like the holder register it. He advise us to ask for another bank account. The sir from the hotline said usually should be no problem to provide any other bank account from their other branches in other country. Maybe you can send a list with all the other bank account and we will find one working account for sure!
Thanks for your patient.

PP:

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We want you to know that since the account is given you problem you can send the money to the shipping company branch in United Kingdom ok (he send my piggy no. 2 again)

Me to PP:

Quote:

I am very sorry to say but that is the same first account you already give me the first time and it did not work. i want you to know that we now try that account again but here we have another error message:
Invalid bank account - This account is temporarily inactive
Please contact the holder of this account for further instructions
And now i contact you for further instructions. We also try thry the account of this Diane Amboss again but it did not work - same error message.
please ask the shipping company to give us a list of working bank accounts we can try. Or please give me their phone no. so i can contact them myself and not always bother you.
Advanced thanks.

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we have talked to the shipping company and they said you have to send the 850.00 Cr. via western union to the name below,

Name: The swedish name
Address: the swedish adress
Country: Sweden

And question and answer to be used below,

Question: Where is my country?
Answer: <My country>

And as soon as you send the money then you have to get back to us with the Information below,

Sender's Name
Receiver's Name
MTCN which is the 10digit
Question and Answer we ask you to use

And as soon as we could get the details you use to send the money from you then we will activate the total sum of 2,450.00 Cr. to your PayPal account without any further delay.

That is not what i want to hear so i send him:

Quote:

good morning sir,
Thank you for your new informations. We can try western Union again, but i am sorry this will take some days because the western union office is not near and my daughter always need to drive me to the city. A working bank account would be much more convenient. Is it maybe possible to use your personal bank account for the transwer? You would do us a big favour, especially for Mrs. K. who is waiting long time for her goods now. We would also pay for your expense and effort, my daughter is willing to transfer Cr. 1050.00 (= 200 for you) because of your kind help. In that case we could already transfer the money today with my daughters ebanking.
Can you please update Mrs. K.? I have no time i have to go out now. Will check your answer this afternoon.

PP wants me to know:

Quote:

We want you to know that you have to find way to send the money via Western union with the last i address we gave you.

Me to PP:

Quote:

Ok than i will make western as soon as possible and send the payment slip as soon as possible. but i want you to know that i have a question? What kind of shipping company is that they can not even provide a working bank account? Can we maybe change the shipping company? I am afraid western onion will take too long until i can go to the city again. I want you to know pubic transport is bad and expensive here. So please if we do not want to let Mrs. K. wait any longer, provide me with a working bank account. I am even willing to pay more for the shipping cost if we can finally make it, maybe like i proposed with the help of your private bank account. Me and Mrs. K. will be very glad if the transaction is finally over. My daughter still agree to provide her ebanking.

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that the only solution to complete the transaction is for you to send the money via western union

so far so good. I know i make it too fast with him, i should slow down and stall more, but right now i want to try out some things and get some experience. Now i will let him wait a few days. I think now is the time to let my character die on the way to the WU office and then let his daughter GreteI Gr0sse take over.
Or what is your opinion? Can you show me some tricks how to confuse him more with the WU transfer without losing him now?

Meanwhile in a secret room… Same scammer, the other character of mine (W0lf GryIIs)

Me to KK:

Quote:

3 pcs . Cost Cr. 1099.00 / pcs . = 3297.00

Can I write the contract so ?

KK:

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Ok I agree the price you send me your full PayPal to
Payment ok

Me to KK:

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Thanks for the job. I can make you a special offer if you 6 pcs . Take ( 120 x 120 cm , 2 pieces . Per color ) I'll give you 10% discont . Only the freight costs are very high. Want the special offer or only 3 pcs ?

KK:

Quote:

KK:
Is the courier shipping company that qualify for pickup on , your
House address ok everything I need from you now is for the
Establishment of PayPal
Account at www.paypal.com and get back to me with your full PayPal
Details for payment ok

Me to KK:

Quote:

Yes but you need to 3 pieces ( 1 per color ) for cr. 3297.00 ( excl . Transport )
or
6 pieces ( 2 per color ) Special offer for Cr. 6594.00 - 10 % = CHF 5934.60 ( excl. Transport ) ???
And where will the goods be shipped ?

KK:

Quote:

Ok I agree the price you send me your full PayPal to
Payment ok

Me to KK:

Quote:

OK please send Cr 5934.60 to the following Paypal account :

my email

Goods: 6 pcs. Auto Parts ( 120 x 120 cm ) 2 pieces per color .

How much are the shipping costs? And where will the goods be shipped ?

Me to KK:

Quote:

Good day,

Have you ever made the Paypal transfer ? I want to do it quickly .

KK:

Quote:

The PayPal transfer will be made today in order

Me to KK:

Quote:

Thank you but I have not yet received anything . Please send quickly . Then you get the goods quickly .

KK:

Quote:

I'm sorry for the delay in work was i will be paying
making ok tonight

here i already wait one day and still no answer from fake paypal. Maybe he is checking if his accounts really are not working anymore. Would be great news tomorrow to see a new lad account Very Happy

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update: (Harry KIein vs. Paypal & KK)

it gets rather boring for the moment of all the question & answer here is some of the things i let him answer:
me:

Quote:

yes looking forward to finally recieve the money next week. I really need it. Thanks and have a niche weekend sir.

Quote:

Dear sir,
I just want to infarm you, since there is no other way i will go to Western Office this week to make the money transfer fund transaction. Can you please send me the info again to witch person i have to send it?
Thank's

Quote:

Dear sir,
I just want to be sure not to miss anythink so we can finish our business. I will go to Western O. this week but i want to be sure no miss takes this time. Who is this L.M.? Last time the Clark of W. wanted to know.

Quote:

Ok thank's. Anything else i need to know?

Quote:

Ok thank you and i will go to western this week. I can not tell you the exact day yet because it is difficile for me to go to city. I will internet mail you before i go. i will print out your text with your needings and bring it with me to western then the clark will help me to not make any mistake this time.
Thank you and have a good day.

he always give one sentence answers and remind me to send the slip.
me:

Quote:

Good morning sir i just want to infarm you i am going to western office today everything is prepared. Will send you everything you need after i return homo.

In the evening i introduce him to my new character, Mr. Raeuber H0tzenpIotz:

Quote:

May i introduce myself you do not know me. I work as a clerk in Western Union Office near Z. (Sw.). Today one old fool with the name Harry KIein come to me with some print out email about sending you Cr 850. i can see from the email you are not legit so it was easy for me to chop the old fool money. Thanks for doin all the work for me. ooo
You hve to understand i am no bad guy and i want you to know this old KIein fool is clueless and we should work together to get more. I told him normal the Western Union officer send the MTCN to the recipient of the money he is so stupid and believe everything i even do not give him any payment slip and he believe. I tells you he will pay more if you tell him the shipping company estimate wrong and he need to pay big amount more and later you charge him for your paypal service and then again for the customs and so on. You make him come to me i will keep only half and send you the rest this is why you have to increase the amount so we can both profit. but you need to tell me the day he will come so i can be there and avoid my co workers.
I recommend you to cooperate as i may make your bank accounts freezing.
Deal pal ?

tomorrow he will be busy because my other bait with him will climax at the same time.

update (W0lf gryIIs vs. KK & Paypal parallel bait)

I receive email from paypal with the old swedish bank account in english

me:

Quote:

Thanks for the email . But I do not understand English . Can you please let write a German employees ? We are not here in England .

He sends google translated version

me:

Quote:

I do not understand well . The German is very poor . Specify account in Switzerland , France , Spain, Portugal and Africa . Our accounting department can only do transfer to these countries . Other countries are banned because Directive . Thank you I can now make payment after they give me a new account .

New email from him i should use western union

me:

Quote:

I still do not understand very bad . Western Union is not possible for us it is forbidden for company policy . Specify account in Switzerland , France , Spain , Portugal or any country in Africa . Our accounting department can only do transfer to these countries . Other countries are banned because Directive . Thank you I can now make payment after they give me a new account .

me again:

Quote:

I would gladly pay today . You can also enter the phone number from the shipping company then I call them and ask myself me . Normal shipping company has a bank account in any country because it must be possible for a customer service but to provide a bank account . What's the name of this shipping company , please ?

Paypal sends reminder (in german), he wait for the payment.

me:

Quote:

Unfortunately, the German is not good . I do not understand everything.

Do I send the money ( 850 ) to Sweden ? Do they not have an account in Switzerland ? Foreign transfer costs extra . Account in Switzerland , France , Spain , Portugal and the whole of Africa costs little . Sweden , Italy , UK and USA is very expensive .

Request for information and possibly an account where it costs less me .
Greeting

meanwhile i write to KK:
I want to complain about why they use such shit companies like PayPal and these lousy shipping company does not even have a bank account so what kind of loser companies ? Do you work always with them? Now let's talk for so long and always talk talk talk but not even specify a bank account . The next time Ms. Kington we do anything about my shipping company and I send you the money directly .
Can you give me a bank account so that we can specify complete trade directly without these dilettante amateurs ?

her answer is the usual things about how safe and fast etc and i tell her i will let an english speaking friend take over for me.

me:

Quote:

Hello there,
My friend Mr Belm0nt will give you an answer. I do not understand. The money is ready to pay .

Now I write to my other character in german:

Quote:

Hello Sim0n,
Here this email is paypal for the transaction . Unfortunately, everything in English . Can you explain that I will pay paypal quickly to complete the deal but that does not go on this account ? He should give me another account on my behalf even in Portugal or Africa so that I can pay with eBanking .
Thanks Sim0n and we 'll see you tomorrow .

And now my english speaking Mr. Sim0n Trev0r Belm0nt takes over:

Quote:

Dear sir, dear madam,
I write you on behalf of mr. W0lf gryIIs who is in contact with you because of one business with mrs. K.
He have to send you chf 850 but he is not able to make the money transfer to this bank account due to company restrictions.
Please send him another bank account in one of those following country:
Switzerland
France
Spain
Portugal
Every african country
Singapore
Hong Kong
Australia
Jamaica
Here you have a lot of choice and i believe one good shipping company should be able to provide any bank account for the transfer.
Please send us our modality. Thanks a lot.
Regards

PP to Mr. Belm0nt:

Quote:

We want you to know that the account sent to you is the only account the shipping company that will come for the pick up has.

me:

Quote:

Sorry but that are very unprofessional of the shipping agency. Can Mr. GryIIs send the money by cheque to them? That will be fast and secure. Please provide any bank account in one of the following country. Can you send the homepage adress of the shipping company pls?
Thanks

me again:

Quote:

Waiting for your reply so i can inform Mr. GryIIs very soon. He just give me a call but i am afraid i had to tell him there is no answer from you. For such a big company as paypal it makes me doubt in your capability, sir.
Regards
S. T. Belm0nt

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that your friend have to follow our instruction for the activation of the money to his PayPal account ok

me:

Quote:

Ok thanks i will make the money transfar for him. His company can not send the money to Sweden bank account. Can you send the account's data's to me??

PP:

Quote:

Here is the account details below where the 850.00 Cr. will be sent to below and once you send the money then you have to get back to us with the copy of the payment slip receipt for us to activate the 6,785.00 Cr to your friend PayPal account today.

me:

Quote:

thank's i will make the money fund transfer transaction today. You need slip of payment or can you see after one day the money arrived? What will happen after the money payment? What can i tell Mr. GryIIs?

PP:

Quote:

We want you to send us the copy of the payment slip receipt once you send the money and you can inform your friend that you have made the payment.

me:

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Ok thank's i will tell my friend. But we want to know he name of the shipping company, because here we have a lot of trick stirs who drive around and try to pick up packages who do not belong to them. Please update us.

PP:

Quote:

Name of one real shpping company snipped

me:

Quote:

ah very good thank you. But i saw in the internet web that C. E. do not have office in Sw.. How are they gonna make's it?

PP:

Quote:

Is the shipping company that Mrs K. always use and they are not coming from Switzerland if you know you want to help your friend please do on time so that we can activate is money to his PayPal account today.

me:

Quote:

Ok thanks ok i will make the transfer later today and hope you can activate the money soon for Mr. GryIIs. Does he need to prepare something for the customs? To what country will the pack-age be shipped?

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that once we get the prove you use to make the payment of 850.00 Cr. from you then we will activate the total sum of 6,785.00 Cr. to your friend PayPal account today.

me:

Quote:

Yes thank you this i already know but Mr. GryIIs want to know to witch country it will be shipped and if he need to prepare anything for the custom's.

PP:

Quote:

He doesn't need to prepare anything for the custom and the shipping company's are coming from Sweden.

me:

Quote:

Me:
Ah ok thank's because i was not sure if the package goes to Sweden or to Germany because Mrs. K. said she is in currently Germany. Than everything's is fine ok. Will make bank transfred after lunchtime.

Me: (in the late afternoon)

Quote:

I need your help the bank account does not work. Our USB Swiss Bank ebanking shows the following error message:
Invalid bank account - This account is temporarily inactive
Please contact the holder of this account for further instructions
can you please double cross check your bank account data if there is a mistake in the numbers or name?
I use the following data for the ebanking:
Snip
Thank's for your urgent response.

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we have cross checked and the bank details is correct you can use the information below again

me:

Quote:

Than'ks for the checking i will try again maybe i made a mistake. If it is not working i will call the N. Bank hotline, already found the no. I am sure they will assist me because the courier express is also in Sweden.

PP:

Quote:

The shipping company is just a customer on the bank and we can only contact them directly here the mistake may be from the shipping company just let us know once you try and it still given the same error for us to contact the shipping company here you don't need to stress yourself calling the bank because the fault can't be from them.we hope to hear from you soon.

me:

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Oh don't worry it is no stress for me, i just want the transaction to be smooth and satisfraction for all of us.

i have really no stress and let him wait until the next day…

PP:

Quote:

We will like to know if you have tried it once again with the information we gave you

PP:

Quote:

What is going on we need a response from you.

me:

Quote:

Sorry i got interruptus with work i can not use the computer the hole time. I will try it tomorrow with the same information's you give me. Maybe was just a temporalis problem.
Thank's for your patience.

me:

Quote:

Mister, i already tried it again today this morning and we have still the same fault message here this bank account seems not working. The ebanking hotline woman told me i should ask for another bank account or double cross check again with you the numbers you give me. Thank you.

PP:

Quote:

We will like to know if you can transfer the money from your other bank account and not USB Swiss Bank maybe the bank can't transfer money abroad.

me:

Quote:

Oh that is bad but i only have this account, but i can tell you i made many abroad transfers already, even to some african countries which usually is difficult. Sometimes have to fill out security forms but it always works. Maybe the shipping company should call the bank and ask what is happen. Sometimes acounts get frozen because of tax reasons. here we know Sweden is very strict even more than Switzerland.
Waiting for your update

PP:

Quote:

We want you to know that we have contact the shipping company and yet to hear from them we will get back to you as soon as we get new development.

me:

Quote:

Thank you i will wait

PP:

Quote:

We are glad to inform you that the shipping company provide us there head quarter account details in Poland and you have to send the 850.00 Cr to the account details below now and get back to us with the prove of the payment,

Here is the account details below,

New piggy arrived

me:

Quote:

Thank's that should work i will try it later after my customer left.

He need to wait until the next day.

PP:

Quote:

We will like to tell you that we are still waiting for your response. Thanks

me: (next day)

Quote:

Mister i am very very sorry, we had a big trouble's at the company with a customer and we had to work overnite. I will go to sleep now and make the money transfer after i wake up. Sorry again.
I will update you with the transfer pdf afterwards.

Me: (evening)

Quote:

i want you to know we have a troubles again with this bank account. Here i get the follower ERROR massage:

ERROR 914 - please contact account holder for verify account number and account holder name - does not match
USB Switzerland ebanking service hotline: fake number
Can you please confirm the account's no. and adress of account holder's. It is a very complicat name and adress and many no. this polish is very complicat. Thank you.

PP:

Quote:

We are very sorry for any inconvenience we might have caused you we have contacted the shipping company and they said your bank may not support transfer to the two countries and they have given us their bank account details in United Kingdom which means you have to send the 850.00 Cr. to the account details below now and get back to us with the copy of the payment slip receipt you use to send the money for us to complete the transaction today,

Here is the new account details below,
(old pig)

me:

Quote:

Sorry mister but my patience is over soon. This bank account is not work too. Here is the error massage copy from my ebanking:
Invalid bank account - This account is temporarily inactive
Please contact the holder of this account for further instructions
USB Switzerland ebanking service hotline: fake no.

Is this some kind of sick joke mister? Pleas do not waste my time i have no time for joke stirs. The ebanking hotline lady told me to send her our email conservation to see for her self but i do not want to violet any of our modality? So please find any solution to satisfy your customer i only do favour for my friend. My friend is willing to choose other shipping company even it is more expansive ok no problem.

[/quote]

looking forward to check my emails tomorrow Twisted Evil

btw. my sixth piggy bank is from another bait i will make a topic if it's getting more interesting.

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:29 pm

You are doing an excellent job with the delay. Keep up the good work.

There is no need to leet in this situation. Some of our members here use text to speech software and leeting detracts from their enjoyment of this wonderful community. If you have to hide a name from Google then you can use the mask function to put it behind a login. Just remember to use it sparingly because it consumes bandwidth. Also I have a sneaking suspicion that if the lad googled Simon Belmont, eater would be a few million pages down.

Awesome video game reference btw.

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