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Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Hi, All on this most inspiring website.

I have recently joined and have already posted on one, or two, threads. I have been reluctant to introduce myself formally, as I am still reeling from my brush with a Ghanaian 'beggar/love-rat boi'. As a psychotherapist by profession, I know I can do a lot of psychological damage to these 'bois' and I am sure my recent encounter ended up being not very pleasant for the 'gentleman' involved, even though I had not yet even found this site and he had already taken me for a few thousand pounds sterling. Oh, well, hey-ho.

I chopped his dollar and messed him around from 'arsehole to breakfast', as my late husband would have said, though, God knows where that phrase comes from, or what it means! Very Happy

However, here's the thing, I have taken a professional oath to 'do no harm'. The only reason I went so far with the lad involved was that it had become personal and it was obvious he was really out to fleece me dry, even destroy me, with no thought except that he was profiting. I reacted. But, unfortunately, I can never bait! Crying or Very sad

I have seen a 'lad' driven insane on this site - the 'Turd' - make no mistake about it, he is not longer sane! That is a terrible thing to do to another human being. But, are these people really human beings in the way in which we perceive one another? That is really questionable.

Good luck, Everyone!!

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:05 pm

Warm welcome Morganlefay!

It's good to have you around! Remember that most important thing here is safety - so make sure to grab yourself a mentor and be safe under the shroud of anonymity Smile

As far as your 'do no harm' rule goes - I myself find it hard to have humane approach towards them - but I have my boundaries much like any baiter. Set the boundaries yourself and you don't have to do stuff you're not comfortable with Smile

the best thing with baiting is that there are many ways you can damage them without causing medical harm, like attacking their wallet where it hurts them most.

Take a look at the fake sites killing subforum for example - each website 'killed' is their time & money wasted. Same goes for reporting their bank accounts. Perhaps this would suit you and not put you into a moral dilemma? Smile

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:15 pm

Welcome to Eater!

I thought you were Morgain le Fay until I looked closely.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:22 pm

Welcome again MlF!

I'm very sorry to hear of your losses to a sick criminal. I have spoken with many people taken advantage of by such cons and it is truly horrible what has been done to them. Especially the love/beggar types you describe: there is a special Hell reserved for their ilk.

Mortal raises a good suggestion. Straight baiting for bank accounts a both helpful to global society and "non harmful" to the criminals. No medical professional could be faulted for tacking a man who just stole someone's wallet, so I can't imagine that fishing for stolen bank accounts would be in violation of your oath.

THAT BEING SAID

If you personally feel otherwise, follow your own instincts regarding what you are comfortable doing. Tatoos, stredding in hash conditions and so forth might be out of your comfort, but other stuff could be fine.

If you do decide to bait, bait safe!

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:33 pm

Is the oath to do no harm to your patients, or to anyone anywhere in the world? Lads use fake names and do harm to their victims.

One of my boundaries is that I refuse to take part in church baits in which a baiter sets up a fake church that requires some act, such as getting tattooed, as a condition of membership. But I've been causing a lad, who pretends to be a reverend, lots of anguish by preaching the Word of God to him.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:41 pm

^^^ I'm no expert, but from my very basic and loose understanding of the oath - it's not to harm anyone. Being able to hurn anyone outside of your patients would defy the purpose of the oath as a whole.

Especially when the concern at hand might as well be 'abusing skills learned to help people to cause harm to other (albeit bad and twisted) people'

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Thank you all for your responses, you wonderful people. Please let me tell you about my 'speciality' - it's 'European Witchcraft'. Lololol. I love reading the Yaruba curses and, of course, the Ghanaian boi 'love-rats', even if they give you their correct names, are vaguely involved with the methods of the Sakawa bois. Sakawa = not Hausa, but deriving from the Arabic = 'Malam Issa's Ring'. Many of these lads, even the educated ones, really do go to a Malam, (if they are Muslims) or a ju-ju man for the means and the (not very reliable) power to blind their victims as to what is happening, or convince them to hand over their cash. Apparently, this can be very expensive and result in the boi having to carry out some rather disgusting rituals, or acts. Lolololol. And, I really do mean disgusting! Very Happy

And it does happen!!

So, if a lad believes in this, no matter his religion, he is going to believe, however reluctantly, in European magic. lololol. Oh, yeah. Very Happy

And, I 'specialize' in curses such as you have never heard. And rituals, too. Very Happy

Happy to offer my services to anyone of you who are interested! Lololol

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:08 pm

Hello and Welcome here.

MorganleFay Wrote:

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…unfortunately, I can never bait!

I understand your reservations and I don’t think you need to worry about Baiting as there is so much more that you can do without causing any human being harm. Even telling your story on our Sister Site: https://www.scamwarners.com/ has the potential to save future victims from Scammers. With your professional credentials and expertise your help could be of great value to victims.

We Bait here on Eater, while Scamwarners works with Victims and helps to expose the crimes that are perpetrated on a global scale every day.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Thank you, oscarpiles. This is a very good suggestion for me, when I feel up to it and have regained my equilibrium. I am already involved with victim support with regard to cult rescue. You might not be surprised to hear how similar the outcome is for the victims of cults and how much help they need to escape.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:26 pm

Cult rescue sounds like a very interesting area of study, it must be a very rewarding experience helping to undo the severe psychological damage done to the victims.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

What makes the 'love rat' variety of scammer so pernicious is that they do so often use their own identities and their lies are hidden within what would appear to be a lot of truth. They will tell you so much that can be verified and born out, but, at the base of things they are lying and only after your money.

As we all know, the most effective lies are those which are contained within a lot of truth. Which is why they are so difficult to pin down. I had to, eventually, set questions designed to trap my rat, when I began to suspect that I was being taken for a ride. Believe you me, it was not easy to totally prove to myself that he was really only trying to rip me off. However, he did finally fall into the traps I had set. Very disillusioning for me, even though I had had my suspicions for a while. I believe these guys to be worse, in some respects, by far, than the scammer who is presenting as someone totally different and telling lies from start to finish. But that is only my personal opinion.

I believe it would be a good use of my own skills to offer to help in victim support. However, as I have been doing something very similar for five years now with regard to cult rescue, I am actually suffering from 'support burn-out', if I can put it that way and need to look at things in a different way. I am sure it will come to me if there is a way for me to help effectively without contravening my own ethics.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

@ Father Moleman. Yes, satisfying, but exhausting. Very Happy

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Just to remind everyone, any sort of 'magic' is only based on common, or garden, psychology.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Additionally, i am a hypnotherapist. The only thing which is needed is the 'story/word for the inner ear', which is the road into the subconscious of the 'other'. Thereby can much healing, or damage, be done. With regard to the 'Turd', these internal messages have contributed to his present condition.

So, find your 'key word', which you will keep repeating. It will go straight into the subconscious of the 'other'. I have a observed a version of this done on this site over and over. Did any of you realise what you were doing? Or, did you just know that, somehow, it just worked?

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

Did any of you realise that the road to true insanity is to mess with someone;s subconscious mind?

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:26 pm

Frequently.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:33 pm

^^^Welcome here! Oddly enough, I have been doing some research on hypnosis-therapy and have noticed the same things.

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I have been reluctant to introduce myself formally, as I am still reeling from my brush with a Ghanaian 'beggar/love-rat boi'.

Even if your oath did not come into play, we would all suggest you not bait. You are just getting out of an intense experience, and, as I'm sure you could explain better, are still emotionally involved. However, as mentioned above, there are many ways to help, here and at Scam Warners without "harming" lads in an emotional way.

Now, a few housekeeping items...if you have not dropped contact with your lad and you were communicating with your real life information, please stop all contact. It is not safe and these are criminals.

When it comes to beggars and spellcasters, we do not bait them here. Ritualistic religion is practiced throughout the world and, as you wrote, may involve sacrificing living creatures. We want nothing to do with encouraging any type of religion (or lack thereof) or harm to animals.

Also, we ask that you do not "double post." Simply use the "edit" button in the top right corner of your message if no one else has posted and you need to add something.

Stick around, read up, enjoy, and feel free to offer advice.

ETA: Double Ninja'd

Edited to correct autocorrect.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:44 pm

Welcome to Eater MLF. Yes, scammers pull people in just like Cults do. That is why we provide the level of support we do for victims. We offer practical advice, not therapy.

I have been told I could use some, but that won't happen.

Elite Baiter Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Posts: 1916

@beware419ers - my apologies if I have double posted. I have been using the edit facility and it is not showing here that I have double posted. Embarassed

However, I suspect it would have been better if I had been able to collect all my thoughts and posted them all in a one-er, using the edit button. I am sure that is what you are telling me, so I will know better in future.

I hear your good advice, which concurs with my view of things. Thank you.

Btw, all contact with the 'lad' was broken before I began posting here.

@ParaNoid lololol

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 13 Jan 2014 Posts: 698

Welcome MLF! I've always been a cynical old bastard - as many ex-cops are, I guess, but since actively baiting the Romance lads, I have come to realise two things. Firstly, it's so easy to quickly understand how manipulative they can be and how they are able to twist the emotions of their victim. I recall one of my earliest Romance baits, where I had researched the lad on Google and found that he and his modus operandi were well-documented .... yet fairly early into the bait I began to believe that he was genuine! Now I, a man, was baiting him as a woman yet still I was finding it increasingly difficult to recognise him for what he really is - and he was getting inside my head! That was an enormous wake-up call!

Secondly - and paradoxically, though, right from the start, I have had no trouble distinguishing a lad from a genuine seeker of romance, even before the first script drifted down into my inbox.

From my point of view, MLF, you are particularly welcome, because your own experience, coupled with your professional background is a very powerful spotlight indeed to cast over this scourge and expose it in a most forceful way. Please stick around - especially on Scamwarners - you have so very much to offer!