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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 18 Sep 2014 Posts: 5

I have a scammer who confessed to who he was and that he is running scams. He is willing to answer any question that doesn't give me his personal information. What can I ask him about? Any ideas?

I have him convinced I am writing a paper on the guymen in Nigeria and how they operate.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:42 am

Ask your scammer is he can be trusted and tell him that you are just trying to find an honest business partner.

If he says he can be trusted use BRUIN's modality and WIMP him.

https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=213942

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:50 am

I am curious... Do you have his personal information, and how did you get him to confess? Not asking for his deets... just curious as to the modality and how it went down.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 18 Sep 2014 Posts: 5

He won't give me his personal info yet. I had an ad listed to craigslist and majority were obviously scams. I played along with this one for a bit and then said I knew he was a scammer and wanted to interview him for a paper I was writing for psychology on the Nigerian scammers. He was skeptical and would barely respond but I kept him going by insisting I didn't want to get any personal info and I was desperate to talk to him for my paper. He has gradually opened up and is has told me a bit about himself. He is a 26yr old male in Nigeria He contacts around 50 people a day that have listed to craigslist. He purchases false checks for $300 each that he sends to his victims. Their are people who gather information from craigslist ads and compile it all and sells the lists to scammers but he does the leg work himself because it costs money. He has also talked about general stuff in Nigeria. I figured this would be a good one to dig into.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:35 am

I thought this was done before a few times, and it amounted to nothing.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 18 Sep 2014 Posts: 5

If so that's alright! Ive gotten him to waste a full 2 days on me so far Smile

hopefully I can dig some more info out of him

Elite Baiter Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Posts: 1482

If he asks money drop him immediately. And do not offer any either. If you pay for that info then he will tell you whatever he thinks you would like to hear and ask for more money for more stories.

But ask this: Is scamming a certain way to profit?

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:59 am

Ask about his conversion ratio as in contacts to profit.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:32 am

I expect you'll get the usual excuses for being a lazy thief. If you've heard them once you've heard them a million times. I really doubt this guy has anything new to offer.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:11 am

I hope you aren't in contact with this Scammer using any of your Real Life information.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 18 Sep 2014 Posts: 5

Scammer
From yesterday:

Out of every 50 contacts he makes he will get 2 (two) people that will send him money back.

He said it is much harder to be successful with this type of scamming now since most people see it is a scam (win for us!)

he makes around $4k a month on average. Some months he makes over $7k

Yeah poverty my arse... That more than I make a month

I am totally safe with my dealings and never send money to them for anything! The more I hassle and waste these guys minutes and time the less time they have to be working on a potential victim. I also do let them mail me their fake checks (to a PO box) for the same reason.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:04 pm

^^^^
Poverty? Not hardly.

The problem with having these lad send their fake checks to a PO box is the information as to who rented it can be checked. Which will lead straight back to you. And as scammers frequently"employ" victims to print the check and post it, that means at least two people know the PO box information. I'm assuming that it's not your name on the check and you're keeping the checks for souvenirs or throwing them away, this is still not very safe.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:13 pm

Tiredmomma wrote:

he makes around $4k a month on average. Some months he makes over $7k

Remember that lads lie for a living. Wink

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:07 pm

I will give the lad the benefit of the doubt and say that he was reporting his mean monthly income before taxes in Naira. I would even go as far as to say that shows he can be trusted to be a business partner in picking up orphan Western Union Money Transfers in Bruin's WIMP modality.

I don't mean to seem like a broken record but part of the reason this lad is trying to work with you is to scam you. Use this desire constructively and get a safari out of him. Use your contacts in the advertising section of your newspaper to get in touch with the management of the wonderful SH network. I am sure that they will comp a coupon for a stay in exchange for a few nice words in a newspaper article about them. See if your lad will be willing to write a hundred word article after his 5 day stay. He should also be able to pick up 5 sets of orphan transfers.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Aug 2014 Posts: 10

The only time I had a lad send me a check for a Craigslist advert, I had him send it to the local DA's office.

I wonder if the DA cashed the check...

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:29 pm

^^^^
That modality is strictly prohibited under the ITP rules (innocent third party). We do not condone sending checks or anything else to law enforcement. They have enough on their plates without being bombarded with random, unexplained incoming mail or checks.

FAQs wrote:

Don't use your real address, or that of anyone else. While it's pretty obvious not to use your real address, be aware of using other locations. Giving out the address of your local strip club may seem funny, but at the same time you're violating Innocent Third Party rules.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:03 pm

Tiredmomma wrote:

Scammer
he makes around $4k a month on average. Some months he makes over $7k

I may be wrong, but from what I have read about lads "revealing" their secrets, they always seem to make a very handsome amount of money from scamming. Why is it then that lads are always stranded when they go on safaris, 95% of the time? I just have a hard time believing a lad making that amount of cash would even remotely waste his time talking to you to "help you" and explain his plight. I do very much appreciate what you are attempting though. I have a lad stranded on safari now who is begging me for $50 so he can leave whatever hell hole he is stranded in. His IP matches to the general area he claims to be, and I believe he is actually stranded there.

I just have a hard time imagining that this lad is making that much money. 2 out of 50 seems like a VERY high probability. I would guess that it would be more like 2 out of 5,000.

*Edit* - I totally agree that introducing Bruin's awesome WIMP modailty would be a fantastic idea. Now that you "trust" him, you can reveal your secret...

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:27 pm

As has been pointed out: lads lie. Whatever he tells you should be taken with many grains of salt.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:50 pm

Quote:

Out of every 50 contacts he makes he will get 2 (two) people that will send him money back

That would be a crazy-high hit rate. As MANKIND pointed out, his success rate should be more on par with direct mail if he's at yahoo boy level.

Here are some questions for him...

Does anyone work for him?

Does he have a boss?

If yes to either of the above, what does the profit sharing look like up or down? (does he collect from his underlings / does he kick-up to his boss, etc.)

Does he write his own scripts?

What's his modality?

What was his biggest score? <---expect a ridiculous but entertaining lie.

Is there any scam he won't do? (ie take money from a woman he learns is disabled, single parent, from another poor country, etc.)

I expect all lies, however, if you are willing to share, I would be very interested to see the exact language he uses to answer your questions. I am more interested in the way he words the answers than in the answers themselves. Feel free to PM me if you want.

419Eater is my life Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 353

So he says 2/50 send money back and he contacts 50 per day, which implies that he's sending checks to all 50. At $300 each that's 15k...per day....so let's assume he only sends checks to the 2 that "send back."
That's still 18k per month he's paying for checks. So if he's pulling in 7k at best that still leaves him 11k in the hole every month. And no one in their right mind is going to do that for more than 1 month.
So I think it's fair to assume he's giving you BS numbers unless maybe you mis-typed or I'm misunderstanding.
Or maybe he's getting a book of fake checks for $300? Then that would make more sense, although, like the others, I find it hard to believe he's getting a return of 60 victims per month on a consistent basis.
But then again, if there were no money to be made, then all the lads wouldn't be wasting their time on this, so perhaps we're all getting too cynical in our old age lol.
If it turns out he's seriously making 7k a month I'm moving to nigeria and becoming a scammer though...just sayin... Wink

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:44 pm

^^I don't understand the:

Quote:

He purchases false checks for $300 each that he sends to his victims.

How does that work? I have tried reading up on the fake check scams but am confused. The lad sends fake check to people, in the hope they send him the item or money? I don't understand how sending a fake check could scam anyone, because isn;t it instantly recognized as fake when someone tries to deposit or cash it?

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:50 pm

^^^"Instantly?" No. It can take months.
This might help you understand.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 04 Aug 2014 Posts: 10

Juan Freizwidatt wrote:

^^^^
That modality is strictly prohibited under the ITP rules (innocent third party). We do not condone sending checks or anything else to law enforcement. They have enough on their plates without being bombarded with random, unexplained incoming mail or checks.

FAQs wrote:

Don't use your real address, or that of anyone else. While it's pretty obvious not to use your real address, be aware of using other locations. Giving out the address of your local strip club may seem funny, but at the same time you're violating Innocent Third Party rules.

Good to know, granted this was years ago. Although I would argue that Law Enforcement isn't necessarily an innocent third party, as I believe they should be responsible for stopping these scams. But I realize that is not the purpose of this particular site. Thus that is for another forum I guess.

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:06 pm

They should - indeed they are, and when they can, they do. Unfortunately most of the time they can't. They would spend tens of thousands of USD chasing a few thousand across half a dozen international borders, and by the time they'd even done the paperwork the whole lot would have been cashed out and spent on Hennessy and weed. There's almost no chance of an arrest to begin with, even before you take into account a guyman's ability to pay off the police. If you think you can identify a cheque printer in the UK, US, Canada etc then let us know and we will coordinate. But a fake cheque arriving in a police station somewhere with no supporting evidence is not going to be investigated, it just wastes time.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 2205

Quote:

Out of every 50 contacts he makes he will get 2 (two) people that will send him money back.

^^Complete bullshit.

The average "open rate" on most business emails (which would be emails sent to people that "opted in" to receive newsletter/mailing lists) is around 15-25%. And that is simply clicking on the email, let alone acting on it.

Most legitimate businesses would be thrilled if they could get 4% of their email recipients to make an actual purchase of a product, let alone send money randomly to a stranger. And again, that would be considering that they were sent to customers/clients that had opted-in to be advertised to, not just randomly sent a message from a total stranger.

So surprise, lad is lying to you. Still, if you can waste his time with questions that I'd say keep at it.

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