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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:37 pm

Hi there:

Before anything else, my name is Ardent Constante and I'm an Area Export manager in a Portuguese Pool Kit Swimming Pools manufaturer. I hope that my experience with international market could be interesting to everyone, and I hope too that your expertise with 419 scams can help me to separate the wheat from the chaff... and to me to focus in the real clients.

The first suspected case cames from a suposed firm in Dubai (UEA) call Fismeal Trading, they have ordering 6 spa tubs from us and they have sent a check (from an Ireland Bank that realy exists) for our bank branch, but the spas cost were about 30 000 euros and the check were from about 130 000 euros, after that they have contact me for us to retourn the diference... of course that we are a big, solid company and I told him that of course we retourn but after the check gets payde. usualy an international check takes 3 weeks to be payd, until that time pass they have several times contact me to see if the money is Ok, after that they fall in silence. After that we have the information from our bank that the check have been taken by the European Central Bank for investigation...
So I think it was a scam... What do you think?
Their's email: [email protected]

Today I got an email from a supposed ceo of an Ghana company asking for our's catalogue and prices... I google is email adress and fall into your site...
His email: [email protected]

I hope this information can be usefull for any of you guys.

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:40 pm

It is an overpayment scam, and the checks are most likely fake.

Edit:

This is a good link to read up on these scams. It is our sister site.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3237&sid=6404a4c649cea61fc1ff2acd28e10366

And a fake check can make it past the 3 week period. They can bounce much later than that.

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:44 pm

Ask yourself this: Would a legitimate company send a huge overpayment and ask for a refund of the difference? This is a classic scam.

I would suggest tracing the headers of the email.This link shows you how to "reveal the headers."

Then, copy and paste them here to see where the email originates. They might be sent from Dubai, but I doubt it. I would suspect the Ghana email does come from that country, however.

Have you done a search for the company?

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:00 pm

Dr Mike wrote:

And a fake check can make it past the 3 week period. They can bounce much later than that.

It could take months for a cheque to be discovered to be fake - if it is drawn on an account for a large corporation, it may not be discovered until they next do their quarterly (or even half yearly) audit - and when it is discovered, it will be cancelled and the money will be debited back.

If someone sends a cheque for too much, tell them to cancel it and send a new one for the correct amount.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:31 am

Welcome to Eater!

The Ghanaian is probably a large-volume product lad. I'm baiting one. He ordered a huge quantity of chevron gears, but did not know what the gears should be made of (which affects the price) or how big the hole is (which doesn't, but I can't make them until I know that). Once he has made the order and you have bid on it, he's going to charge a registration fee or the like. Product lads order things from catalogs without knowing anything about what they're ordering, so it's easy to unmask them by asking questions.

By the way, if that's your real name, please change your username.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:55 am

1. vonpaso xlura - I have been in edit profile and it was impossible for me to change the user.
About the Ghanaian he have reach me in my professional email, so I will not get longer with it, but I've a new (undercover) email and I've launched a fishing bait to see if he bites.

2. B8er - fortunately in europe the money is only available after good collection the check, then this issue does not arise. So the scammer have received nothing and we'll just have to pay the costs.

3. bware419ers - I've done a surche and it have drive me to this forum, but I've found one site of company's announces were they have a post, probably to deceive their vistims.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:02 am

Ardent Constante wrote:

1. vonpaso xlura - I have been in edit profile and it was impossible for me to change the user.

Send me a Private Message with your choice of new User name and I'll change it for you --- try and pick one that doesn't exist already.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:22 am

Ardent Constante wrote:

2. B8er - fortunately in europe the money is only available after good collection the check, then this issue does not arise. So the scammer have received nothing and we'll just have to pay the costs.

I'm afraid the issue does exist in Europe (unless Portugal is different from the other EU countries). Banks have a very short period during which they have to clear the cheque, this is based on there being sufficient funds in the account. They can not check that the cheque is real - a good quality fake will pass the clearing and only be noticed when the account holder picks up on it, which as I said could be many months.

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