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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 1

"8:20 PM (12 hours ago)

[b]to me
WHATS GOING ON
Hello ,
What is going on....i haven't hear back from you since
you receive my payment from paypal and i will like to know how far
have you gone to this transaction because i believe by now you should
have send the pick up agent money to their address through Western union so they can arrange for picking upthe item at your location in
time but you fail to get back to me with the status of the transaction
i want you to know that there is no way you can get me scam cos if you
try it with me am going to report you to Craigslist and PayPal so
don't think of getting me scam so i will be expecting your quick
response regarding the pick up agent fee.
Thanks hope to read back from you soon."
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That's the last email I received from this jackass. I was curious about how the pay pal scam worked because I had only heard of the fake cashiers check scam.
A few days ago I receive the email saying “If your motorcycle is still available, I want to purchase it for my father. Your price is reasonable (it actually isn’t..I just love this bike and don’t really want it to go). I will pay you your asking price and will pay pal you the money plus the shipping fee today. Please give me your pay pal info”
I’ve been offered the Cashier’s check before with the extra $1500 for shipping, but never pay pal so I was “scam curious”. The best part is that he tells me he can’t call because he is in the Air Force training new recruits and can’t get to a phone for at least a week”. His on line profile pic is of a Military guy… older white He sends emails from a gmail account as opposed to a military/ us gov url. I copy paste the profile pic to enlarge it and take a closer look.. The guy in the photo has 4 Stars on his shoulder and bars going down to his belly button ! This spoofer is using the profile of a U.S 4 star general !! Hahahaha ! I play with him a little and even send an email address for him to “paypal” me. Lo and behold, I get an email from “pay pal” font and color is all okay, but the grammar and choice of words is hilarious.
The email from “pay pal” says that so and so just sent me $17,800 and to release the funds off of hold status into my paypal I must Western Union $1500 for the shipping costs directly to the shipper. I tell him I don’t have $1500 unless my funds are released. He gets really frustrated with me and accuses me of scamming him and he’s going to report me to craigslist and pay pal..
The best part is I actually got the contact information for General so and so, the US Four Star General in the Profile Pic. Actually, the contact information for this Military / Private Security Intelligence Think Tank- Head of the Board of Directors (Gen. so and so was also listed on the BoD). I emailed this person telling him about this spoofer, forwarded him the emails with the profile pic as well as the IP info similar to what you listed above, from all of the emails he sent to me. I was so surprised because I went out for a run after sending the email and laughing at myself “ you had way too much time on your hands today…what a weirdo devoting so much time to that creep” . Upon my return, I actually had a response from this guy thanking me and letting me know that he is actually going to see “The General” for two days this week at a conference and he had already forwarded him my emails. He said he was very concerned that his profile was “misappropriated in this manner” and would have his people research the culprit.

At any rate, I wish I could devote full time to catching these creeps. What more can I do but drive him crazy saying I will western union the money?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:05 pm

First, use a totally fake untraceable e-mail account. The recommended e-mail services are fastmail or g-mail. use totally made up, fake details.

Respond like a real victim. Keep the initial responses short (they don't read your first responses usually). Start asking one or two questions with each response. Stall a day or two between each response before answering his next e-mail.

Next, he tells you to go to send your photo ID (passport or something). One word: DONT. Not even a fake.

Instead, give him excuses. Here are some ideas:

- I don't have one. Offer to get one. Ask "How do I get a passport?" Make him work with you through the whole procedure.

-- I don't have a scanner. I could buy one if it is important. What brand should I buy?

-- It is attached (attach nothing)

-- It is attached (attach a very large junk file)

-- I loaned my passport to my identical twin brother who is mountain climbing right now in Nepal. Can you wait until he gets back (this gives you the opportunity to introduce the brother as a second character)

-- the police are holding it after an unfortunate incident. I swear I thought she was 18! For a twelve-year-old, she was very mature. Anyway, my lawyers say I will get my passport back in a few weeks. Can you wait?

-- My dog ate it.

Feel free to invent other passport excuses!

Also, feel free to introduce other characters to add complications. The brother in Nepal is one idea. A jealous spouse finds your e-mails on the computer and wants to take over the transaction. Since the marriage is already on the rocks, murder is a definite possibility!

Another favorite of mine is the corrupt banker. Your character goes to the bank to get money to send via Western Union but, alas, the bank is having "computer problems" today so character will have to go back tomorrow. A few hours later, "banker' sends an e-mail like this:

"listen, your victim Joe Smith was in here today to get money. He showed me all the e-mails. I knew it was a scam immediately. I told him some garbage about the bank's computer being broken. He will come back tomorrow -- this guy is VERY RICH and very STUPID. if we work together we can both make lots of money. If not, I will tell him you are a scammer. I want 50% -- send me a bank account number and swift code and I can transfer funds directly from his account to your account -- I will, of course, keep half."

Good luck!

Elite Baiter Joined: 10 Mar 2013 Posts: 1482

Although this hint is in FAQ but it is worth repeating:

Never reveal what you are REALY doing! Realy few lads know about baiting and even fewer realy understand the point of it (if any) so they don't realy understand why things go bad and some of things are naturaly occurring incidents some are caused by us and then there are those things that other lads do to eachother. So never reveal your true nature and let him reach his own conclusions. This will sap his confidence and makes him more suspicious about everything and he may reject some real victim for no reason.

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:07 am

Welcome to Easter Spoofsauce!
BRUIN said it all! First drop this scammer-he has your real life information. We call it "baiting safe". Now from your fake account , go after the same lad, pick one up from the Surplus section or your spam box and have fun.

Please read the stickies-lots of useful info on how to bait, what options are available and some cool tool. For instance, you can all sorts of fun with a trip to Western Union. Also you may want to consider a mentor. They can give all sorts of help and suggestions.

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:00 am

And Welcome to Eater!!!

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:55 am

Welcome to Eater!

When baiting a Craigslist scammer, use a nonexistent item. E.g. in http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238470, the genus name of the tree is the same as the name of a computer manufacturer, but the species name doesn't match any computer name. This way, if you get a piggy, you can prove fraud.

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