Scammer Bank Shock - WTF?

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Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:06 am

Sorry for starting a new post related to Jeff the honest scammer thread but I'm hoping the more people read this the better chance I have of getting an answer.

I am supposed to have sent him £5000 to a Nigerian account in a different name. He has been constantly emailing saying the bank manager says the money is not there etc etc. So I said my bank was holding it while they investigated the account but that I could stop the transaction and there would be no further action. I didn't want him to get into trouble etc etc.

He just emailed to say the money was there and that he would be getting it from the bank soon. Shocked

What the hell is his game? Why would he say that? I had already told him if the money didn't go through I'd be able to find an alternative.

I am completely gobsmacked.

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It's a scary thought but he may have succeeded with another person. Maybe someone else has a better answer to this. I had one tell me that their mule got 45 USD from someone and that was bad enough, I would be sick at the thought of 5,000.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:17 am

It's a possibility NV thanks for replying but it would be one scary coincidence. Same amount of money and appears at exactly the same moment as I tell him I'm stopping the transaction?

There must be more to it than meets the eye.

EDIT. Just thought. He says that he's going to immigration after buying a passport with some of the money. He already told me early in the bait that he would need a letter of introduction to enable him to enter the UK. Is THAT what he's after? Is it worth more than cash if he can get me to send it? (Not that I ever would of course)

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:37 am

Perhaps he's just throwing it out there to see how you'll react? Or maybe he figures if he tells you the money is there, you'll think it's too late to stop and won't call your bank.

It is a little strange, but I'd be very surprised if there's any real money there. Most likely, he's got some half-baked plan only someone with a degree in lad-logic could understand.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:43 am

I think you may be right Luckey. He is so convinced that the money is coming he'd rather lie and say it's there knowing it will be at some point than have it stopped.

He just sent this to obviously buy himself more time:

Quote:

I believe very soon I will be with you my love I'm so happy I have you in my life now I believe by next week my pass port will be ready as soon I get that I will scan it to you my love so that we can know the next step to do.

He's going to wait it out. Idiot just majorly baited himself for at least another week. I'm going to wait and see how he explains his lack of funds.

If anyone has a better theory please post but that makes a lot of sense to me.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:44 am

Have to agree

Don't forget Lads Lie

Whatever he is after will become clear

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:03 pm

It might be that two of his plans are conflicting with each other. The scam part with the 5000 and the one where he hope to gain a british visa. So he might have decided to screw the scam and go all in for the visa. If he told you that he need the 5000 for the passport he would have to get rid of that claim as it interfere with his now main goal to gain a visa. So that is why he said that. This sounds logical in my ears. But it might be some plan to call you out on too I guess.

When it comes to the visa invitation letter I think that you should tell him that your voice won't carry much weight. He would need help from someone more experienced with an organization behind him.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:11 pm

He is scripted? same amount every time?
But there's no problem (besides a possible victim, have him report the name and address to you, to check on your friend who transferred it for you as he owned you the money)
Payment is there, on with the next step, if he ever complains he is slapped with that email, called untrustworthy, trying to steal your money, anything. Believe him now, you paid! and make all the following payments in exactly the same way Twisted Evil

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:12 pm

I've had this sort of thing happen a couple of times, and seen it happen to others on the forums here on rare occasions.

In addition to luckey's suggestion (lad is trying to make you think it's too late), sometimes it happens when the scammer has someone else collecting money on his behalf and there is at least a chance that the victim really sent the money. Rather than risking to lose the victim they just move along to another stage in the scam = another reason to claim a fee. And, one can only hope, behind the scenes there is dissent as the lad worries that his bank-account holder has collected the money and left him out.

This also can happen after a dollar chop or a lengthy series of problems from the "victim", even if they don't fully believe the chop or the victim's story they can still try to manipulate them into sending money for some other reason. After all the lad doesn't have to believe the victim, he just needs to make them pay out.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:05 pm

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions baiters. @Dr Mike - I hope to give him your contact details soon. It would seem Luckey was right as firstly lad sends this:

Quote:

Dee what the bank told me now the bank manager told me you need to send evidendence of payment slip to me here so that I can forward that to the bank for confirmation I hope you can get that from me honey

I don't have a payment slip darling I didn't go to the bank in person I did it through the computer online banking and emails I sent. What's the problem? Your bank manager already has the money anyway.

Quote:

Dee the bank manager is not having the money here my love what you need to do now tell your bank to call the money back because before I can get the money he will take up to 14 or 21 days honey you need to call the money back now that is only way out now my love

What is going on with your manager? First he tells you he has the money and then he says he doesn't? He is the worst manager I have ever heard of. You are better off not using him ever again darling. I have a good mind to leave it and let the Financial Services authority investigate him but I don't want you to get into trouble and I can't leave your £5000 in the system for 14 - 21 days so I have recalled the money and there won't be any trouble for him.

I already had a plan baby so give me just a little more time and we'll sort it out between us. With no incompetent managers to mess things up!!
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Yeah he thought he'd hold out a few hours in case the money turned up then panicked when it didn't.

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:09 pm

I've seen lads do this before with westy transfers that never turn out to be there when they go looking.

Lads have to feel like they are on top even when it's clear they are not.

All that will happen is, he'll move on to the next problem (why you can't get your share,win,inheritance etc) in his script, just as he would had the money actually turned up.

I bet the security guards holding the money will need bribing, or some extra clearance certificate will need buying. That's if he doesn't drop you.

Lad ego knows no bounds.

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