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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:50 pm

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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:52 pm

If I was you I'd take some time to read the rules.

We don't do or discuss cash baiting here.

Waiting for a passing Mod to lock the thread.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:59 pm

This is not a real cash bait cause I will not cash any money as he does not have my name.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:00 pm

He will only lose some money for commissions.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:40 pm

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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:25 pm

Stander, I have a very hard time believing a lad even thought about sending you $200.00. But even if he did, and though the money didn't come to you, it is still cash baiting. And like B8er says, we don't do that here.

We welcome everyone here at Eater, but maybe you need to slow down a bit, read the stickies that explain who we are and what we do here and have plenty of excellent advice. Also you can sign up for a wonderful mentor to help guide you through the baiting experience. And don't forget to check out all the information in Eater U!

And last thing. You don't need to double post within minutes. You can just use the handy 'Edit' button to make additions to your posts. A mod will thank you. Very Happy

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:43 pm

DoraTheExplorer wrote:

Stander, I have a very hard time believing a lad even thought about sending you $200.00. But even if he did, and though the money didn't come to you, it is still cash baiting. And like B8er says, we don't do that here.

We welcome everyone here at Eater, but maybe you need to slow down a bit, read the stickies that explain who we are and what we do here and have plenty of excellent advice. Also you can sign up for a wonderful mentor to help guide you through the baiting experience. And don't forget to check out all the information in Eater U!

And last thing. You don't need to double post within minutes. You can just use the handy 'Edit' button to make additions to your posts. A mod will thank you. Very Happy

Ok.
Although I will never understand why it is ethical to make lads spend money on trips hundred miles away from their homes but is not ethical to make him send cash to non-existent persons.

By the way, I haven't noticed the EDIT button Very Happy

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:49 pm

If you don't intend on picking up the money, which I hope you didn't in the first place, then PM the WU transfer information to a moderator. They'll make sure it gets taken care of by WU. He'll be really, really pissed when that money is gone.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:52 pm

Just because he's sent the money to a made up name doesn't mean that the money can't be collected. Lads regularly ask for money to be WU'd to 'John Smith' in London.

The fact is that with the sender's name, the MTCN and the test question/answer the money can be collected with out much difficulty anywhere in the world.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:52 pm

See that's the thing, in this great sticky by Shiver himself explains it much better than I can or will:

Quote:

Baiting for cash:- PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
Due to the possible legal implications involved, but more importantly because the possible dangers posed to baiters, please note that the Administrators and Moderators of 419eater.com no longer permit any discussion relating to cash baits or methods of extracting money from scammers on this board. If you feel the need to discuss such matters then please do so either by this board's Private Messaging system or by email – but be advised, we do not sanction or encourage such discussions and will play no part in furtherance of cash-baiting.

Any public posts relating to cash baits, other methods relating to the extraction of money from scammers will be immediately locked or deleted.

*** 419 EATER FORUM RULES AND F.A.Q. PLEASE READ ***

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:54 pm

I think that is illegal, no?

If an WU transfer is unclaimed, in 3 three days he'll get his money back, minus transfer fee.
But making money disappear ... I don't think it is legal

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:56 pm

Right, but if Western Union confiscates it due to suspicion of fraud, then he really is going to be angry.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:58 pm

B8er wrote:

Just because he's sent the money to a made up name doesn't mean that the money can't be collected. Lads regularly ask for money to be WU'd to 'John Smith' in London.

The fact is that with the sender's name, the MTCN and the test question/answer the money can be collected with out much difficulty anywhere in the world.

Never heard before of that. It seems impossible.
No bank officer in my country will give anyone a penny is receiver's name and name in passport are different.
Strange that in other country it is possible.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:59 pm

sir scam alot wrote:

Right, but if Western Union confiscates it due to suspicion of fraud, then he really is going to be angry.

Cool

And how a fraud can be proved?

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:03 pm

Send a copy of the email, complete with headers to a mod. They have special connections. Wink

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:10 pm

Stander wrote:

I will never understand why it is ethical to make lads spend money on trips hundred miles away from their homes but is not ethical to make him send cash to non-existent persons.

I am an ignorant sort of person, and I don't really know the law at all. But I don't think it is a crime to say 'Meet me at the lampost at the end of the street' (or at the airport in the next country) and then not turn up. Is it ethical? You decide. If a Lad is at the lampost at the end of the street (or at the airport far away), then he is certainly not scamming other victims at that time. And that is ethics enough for many.

But I rather think it is against the law, and certainly against all ethics, to say, 'Give me so much money and then I will give you tenfold (or a thousandfold) more' when it is not true.

And I think that when one is engaging with criminals, it is very important to keep within the law (and ethics) oneself.

(And I typed this slowly and others said similar before me, but I'm in talkative mood, so I'm posting it anyway.)

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:12 pm

Stander wrote:

No bank officer in my country will give anyone a penny is receiver's name and name in passport are different.

The problem is though with Western Union, you aren't neccesarily dealing with banks. In many countries (the UK included), Western Unions are located in newsagents and other types of stores. The shopkeeper won't want the hassle of denying a payment and if anyone queries it, who can prove that he didn't see an ID.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:21 pm

Branwen wrote:

But I rather think it is against the law, and certainly against all ethics, to say, 'Give me so much money and then I will give you tenfold (or a thousandfold) more' when it is not true.

Even if he sends money to non-existing persons?
Even if the scammer will get his money back in 3 days because they will stay unclaimed?

I am really sure that all that 3 days he will be very nervous and certainly he will not be able to scam anyone.

B8er wrote:

The problem is though with Western Union, you aren't neccesarily dealing with banks. In many countries (the UK included), Western Unions are located in newsagents and other types of stores. The shopkeeper won't want the hassle of denying a payment and if anyone queries it, who can prove that he didn't see an ID.

Thank god I am in a country where only banks have the right to handle WU payments. And valid ID is a must.

That's why scammers will never operate from my country Smile

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:26 pm

Honestly Stander, what is your deal? You want to start arguing ethics? You want to argue with members that do know what they are talking about?

How about this: It is crappy to go back and delete your posts. There was no reason for you to do that. However, you want to continue to carry on a conversation that directly related you what you originally posted. Kinda hard to do.

And there is no need to double post and quote the person directly above you. Really.

Now I am crabby. I need coffee. I hate being crabby. Confused

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 3123

I think it's time to go. Evil or Very Mad

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:32 pm

^^^ Ok, Craig, I am leaving. Laughing

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18312

Craig, it isn't up to you to decide if members should be here or not. Wink

Stander: Please take the time to read the sticky topics here at Eater. There is a wealth of information in them regarding all of this.

419Eater is my life Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 351

We were all new once people - so lets share the love Smile

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:04 pm

I am sorry if I am doing something wrong Smile

I never intended to argue, I just did not correctly understood the rules.

I am new on this site, on other resources I used before there were another rules.
As a sign of my good intentions, here's my own small database of lads that can be successfully baited:
http://opentechnet.net/419/

Please feel free to PM for any details you want if you want to bait some of these people.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:46 pm

Alright then, as the OP said PM him if you want further details.

I am going to lock this now, mainly because the OP rendered this thread confusing by editing the his first post.

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