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Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Now i have already been scammed of $5000, throught your ip tracker,i located scammer is in iowa, USA
Now the scammer is asking for rest of $13***, I am asking from him copies of scans of bill of lading , COC certificate, as he apparently has shipped my goods. he has closed his old Bank account. of course the bill of lading will not be viable.
scammer has sent me details of a newer bank account in UK. I am buying time.
Disadvantage: S/He knows me, where i work,
I have complained to our bank, but they are not paying attention. They said if funds are not withdrawn, they can recall. I can go to Banking fraud police, maybe get more attention.
Any ideas or solutions, you can give me !!

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:35 pm

Drop all contact with the scammer immediately. Change any bank account numbers that the scammer knows. Contact local law enforcement.

Go to www.scamwarners.com for further support. It is our sister site devoted to aiding victims.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

so i dont even try to extract more info right,
Could be a danger issue to me.

How can i change my official company Bank account no. or anything ??
Is it possible even, we used it for 4 years now.

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:01 pm

^^Right. There is no point in trying to pursue him, he is very likely beyond the reach of law enforcement, especially if you are not in the USA. There are no valid invoices, bills of lading, etc. Anything he sends you will be counterfeit.

Bruin's advice is the best you will get -- break off contact and cut your losses.

You may have to man up and explain to your boss that the company accounts have been compromised.

Baiting Guru Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 12237

Welcome to Eater, sorry to meet like this.

Like the boys said, the money is gone, gone and gone.

Head to https://www.scamwarners.com/ for better support.

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:39 am

The scammer may not be in Iowa, but may have gained control of a computer in Iowa to send email.

Send the bank account info you got to a moderator. We have contacts in banks; sending bank info obtained from a lad often results in the account being closed.

Post the emails you got at Scamwarners, especially the first ones and the ones asking for money. Those are usually script, so others can find them by searching for text in the message.

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

I'm sorry to hear that you've been scammed. you've discovered it at 5000$, which is a lot... but others have gone further, selling their homes, collegue funds of their kids, and taken loans. there are however a few things you should be aware of:

keep watching your inbox. there might be new mails coming in, for example mails of "happy customers" of your lad. means, the lad will fake mails from other customer-characters just to convince you that he is genuine.

he will also try running a recovery scheme. so be prepared for getting a mail from ban ki moon or the new secretary of the UN, antonio guterres, telling you, that the UN has caught your scammer. they won't do that (not their job), the UN is still that scammer.

and he will sell your infos (name, address, infos from your emails) in order to make more money. contact information about paying victims have a high value for them.

probably the worst thing will be, that he might use your name and ID-card (if you have sent him a copy) to scam other people in your name.

regarding the IP in iowa: there are a few possibilities.

1. he is using some sort of sat-connection, and they are based in iowa.
2. the tracker-date is just not up to date, and an ISP in iowa has sold IP addresses to africa.
3. he uses a proxy or a VPN which is registered in iowa.
3. something else...

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

thanks guys,
the company boss of course knows about it , i am in finance dept, actually.after all it is boss who authorized the payment,

This is the first bank address he used :-
BANK ACCOUNT INFO:

BEN. NAME: Fxxxxxxxxx
BANK NAME: BARCLAYS BANK
BIC: BARCGB22
IAN: GB95BARC2055682021XXXX
ACCT: 2xxxxxxx
SORT CODE: 205568
ADD.: 6, LYBSTER MEWS NOTTINGHAM, ENGLANG.

exactly as he wrote with no corrections from me.

this is what he wants for rest of balance:-
PLEASE FIND OUR NEW USDOLLAR ACCOUNT DETAILS BELOW FOR YOUR REFERENCE:

BEN NAME:xxxxxxxx
BANK NAME:BARCLAYS BANK.
SWIFT BIC:BARCGB22
IBAN:GB09BARC2054250303XXXX
SORT CODE:600732
Acct：xxxxxxxx
Add:13, FREMLIN WALK MAIDSTONE ME12 1QG KENT UK.

Any help you can accord to me will be appreciated.

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:45 am

Shill1, I am really sorry that you ran into this dirt bag. I've edited your post-we don't allow the identification of account holders etc: there's a significant chance they are a mule and may be a scam victim as well.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Ok,
but the moderator did ask me for those details, he said he MAY be in position to assist.
Send me a DM message, & any help you can accord to me.
I did read the forum rules, but then when mod told me give bank details, that's why i posted it, the scammer is still engaged with me, we emailed responses an hour ago.he wants me to remit funds via money gram /western union, whilst i am making him do more work like send me PIL bill of lading copy.
Laughing

I doubt he is a mule, the scammer's colleague actually visited our premises.

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:37 am

^^^^^
You have PM.

As I mentioned previously, baiting this lad isn't a good idea. He has your name and address.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Exactly and i have no idea what he looks like or his origin too.
S/he has an upper hand over me. But should i live like a scaredy-cat in this world Twisted Evil

i am trying fishing for clues , even talking to bank, the victim is made to look guilty.
today's email from him/her:(not divulging any personal details)
Dear sir

How are you.

I'm sorry like i told you before the date is very long for us.

Please confirm could we use another way transferring method to send the payment.

Maybe like WESTERN UNION OR MONEY GRAM.

Please kindly confirm so that i can send you our Receiver name information,

and is very vest and easy that we can get all the payment same day you send it.

Waiting for your reply.

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:18 am

Please STOP fishing for details. I understand that you may have a desire to get back at the scammers, but you cannot gain by continuing to communicate with them.

At worst they may lure you into a related scam or otherwise put you at risk -- these people are very good at what they do.

Baiting Guru Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 12237

shili12 wrote:

But should i live like a scaredy-cat in this world

Of course not, but I think you are scared of the wrong thing. The money is gone. Zip, nothing, nada. -G.O.N.E. There is nothing I, you, Eater, the police, FBI,CIA, or Obama can do to recover the money.

It sounds like this loss was racked up on the company card. That should be your first priority and it will be scary. The more you try to dig, the deeper in the hole you will get. The hard part is fessing up to the cardholder and bank that you borked 5 grand. It's gone and there is only one person responsible. Good luck and trust me, you will look back in the long run and know you ultimately did the right thing, and that feels good.

/old man

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:44 pm

Capone wrote:

I've edited your post-we don't allow the identification of account holders etc

Please block out at least 4 of the last 8 digits of the IBAN (they are the account number) AND the checksum (the two digits after GB).

Done. PF

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

He even said they are fraudsters not murderers.
Anyway like you said maybe obama can help me get back my cash, but its going to be a long shot getting to know him.

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:53 pm

With all due respect, shili12. Let's say you had been robbed at gunpoint instead of over the internet. Following your assailant and engaging them in conversation, in an attempt to recover your money, has nothing to do with bravery. It is more likely to get you robbed again, or worse. Bottom line is you are dealing with a criminal thug. Walk away and chalk this up to experience. This advice comes from YEARS of cumulative experience by the people on this forum.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

ok, will do,
you never know who has grudge with you and decide to do away with you.
Mafiaso, Nigerians, Dealers, Hackers, scammers,
I thank God I wake up everyday and have a honest fruitful life.
I have never tried anything criminal despite opportunities in finance dept.
I would rather stay poor, but with good Karma.

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 3876

actually, there might be something you can do:

walk away from him, post your infos on scamwarners, and open a thread here with his initial mail, further emails (your personal data should be stripped away), and then let's do a massbait.

lads with money, who feel successful tend to do fascinating things like long safaries or tattoos or pyramids in their backyard... or all of that together.

there should be not a single link back to you, and it won't give you back your money, but having a lad tattooed with a ridiculous symbol or something sexist, that prevents him from ever getting a girl, it's quite some fun (just search for bob johnsons "I give BJ" tattoos.. Wink

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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:54 am

Quote:

post your infos on scamwarners, and open a thread here with his initial mail, further emails (your personal data should be stripped away), and then let's do a massbait.

We do this now? It's how we advocate helping victims of scams heal?

Confused

Edited a few words.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

I, myself, did not lose any money, so its no skin off my nose, my boss did & actually by i drafted the transfer form under his instructions, i do feel pain though, if i probably should have done more, but on retrospect , i think i did what i could do.
Is there any link here as to psychological profiles of why people get scammed, ?
Maybe not getting affection from spouse, or looking towards optimism on everyday life problems, or simply, Greed.or whatever triggers you to fall for such?

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:48 pm

You wrote:

Now i have already been scammed of $5000, throught your ip tracker,i located scammer is in iowa, USA

So, this is where the understanding of you being scammed originates. Could you post one of the emails where they request the money, complete with headers (removing your personal information) to help make things clear?

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:39 pm

^^
Aren't we being a bit too much on the sarcastic mood today, Bware, or am I reading you wrong here?

shili12 wrote:

Is there any link here as to psychological profiles of why people get scammed, ?
Maybe not getting affection from spouse, or looking towards optimism on everyday life problems, or simply, Greed.or whatever triggers you to fall for such?

This has been studied in depth and no single link will answer your question properly in a short and simple way. But to simplify (A LOT), the short answer is usually "need". And there are about as many "needs" in the world as there are people. As well as scammers taking advantage of those needs. Stereotypes or looking for simple answers will do you no good here.

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:45 pm

No sarcasm. I am not advocating for a massbait, whatsoever. However, there is some clear confusion here. Laughing

Perhaps it's a language issue, but the OP's title is: "Already been scammed."

I also posted a quote above.

The OP complained to their bank. They cannot close an account and open a new one?

The scammer's "colleague" has visited the OP at their place of business.

Then, it's the boss who has authorized payment and the boss that was scammed, not the OP.

It is the OP who is still in contact with the scammer.

And there is the pic of the communication stating "Continue engaging them to give account details as you do not use western union" from "Head of Security, Fraud Management & Investigations.

So, bear with me if I want to see some clarification with a request for money from the actual scammer.

ETA: The OP has sent via PM a header, but no email. Awaiting further clarification.

Wannabe Baiter Joined: 15 Dec 2016 Posts: 91

Exactly as stated above, you got the above part right, that is what is happening at present.
Let me try to figure out what exactly is meant by email header , is it title of email or another technicality ??

I feel I am talking to the interpol not common mods,
Laughing

They then gave me a second Barclays bank account no. to remit funds to:-
means they still after downpayment of $5400 they want rest of money for goods worth 18 grand (5400 is 30% downpayment).
see what scammer has written thereafter $5400 downpayment:-

Dear sir

How are you.

PLEASE NOTE: Don't paid to the hold account again please find the New BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS BELOW OK.

Enclose is the copy of bill of loading and the Revised invoice with our new USD account for your references.

Please kindly help us arrange the rest payment Today so that we can received it on time them we can send the remaining document to asap!

PLEASE FIND OUR NEW USDOLLAR ACCOUNT DETAILS BELOW FOR YOUR REFERENCE:

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