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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:01 pm |
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@Father Moleman: Don't get started on Western Union. They actually do MORE to try to prevent scam victims than most federal agencies tasked with the job. I urge you to search the forum on the subject and read old discussions. |
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scamstats
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 28 Feb 2015
Posts: 22
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:04 pm |
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Ima Baeder wrote: |
@SH: I completely understand your frustration, but nothing is stopping you from getting back to work. Anyone who doesn't want to take time to answer his questions can ignore the thread.
No rules have been broken and the discussion has remained polite, so no need for us to lock the thread. |
Thanks, I hope I haven't offended anyone here, and I certainly don't want to distract people here from doing what I firmly and honestly believe is the good work that people who come here do. |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:28 pm |
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You can see that we are firmly against the idea of paid scambaiting, for a variety of reasons. If you continue to insist that our members' valid points are invalid or toss them aside as "handled but I can't explain why", you're probably going to find that members become increasingly frustrated with you.
Please accept our collective stance on the subject and move on.
As for the other part of your request for help, we've also addressed that. I'm afraid scambaiting can't be quantified the way you want it to either. Good luck with your research on the subject. If you do find good statistics, of course we would be interested to have you post them here.
Lastly, please note our advice about resources best allocated to awareness and education and take it into consideration. If you've not already done so, visit http://ScamWarners.com, our sister site. Be aware that it is an information site, not a discussion site, so the discussion you posted here is not appropriate for that site. |
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Big X
Baiting Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 23946
Location: Stalag Luft III
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:35 pm |
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scamstats wrote: |
I understand that people don't believe me. I understand that they think I am some newbie to this world and that I must be an idiot. I get it. I understand that they want to know EXACTLY what I am proposing and EXACTLY how it would work, etcetera. I get that. |
I am skeptical of why you can't detail the proposal any further than vague hints. I am also incredibly skeptical of the fact that you claim to have a system worked out that addresses all of our concerns, but you started this thread asking if we have research or stats on scams and baiting. Seems to me like you'd have to have the research done first to know what the value proposition is, before building anything or trying to solicit financial backing.
In baiting, as with many things in life, the old saying that "there is nothing new under the sun" holds true, and there are very few genuinely new ideas. You may have worked out a way to monetize baiting in a way that doesn't defeat the purpose, but I think it far more likely that someone has tried this before and met with failure.
All the same, I wish you good luck in your fight against the lads. |
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Ahmastin Geebougah
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 13 Jan 2014
Posts: 698
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:35 pm |
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I started reading this thread determined to avidly read every word no matter what. Then, as I clicked the 'next' button for the second time I realised what a fool I am. I've been allowing somebody to totally waste my valuable time over the biggest load of rubbish I've read since this morning when a hairy-arsed, sweaty bloke sitting in an internet cafe in some god-forsaken place or another, tried to convince me that he was a sexy, charming, desirable and extraordinarily rich young woman who had fallen instantly and eternally in love with my email address.
Scamstats - Sorry, my friend, it's time to withdraw, your idea is a non-runner. |
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scamstats
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 28 Feb 2015
Posts: 22
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:00 pm |
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Big X wrote: |
I am skeptical of why you can't detail the proposal any further than vague hints. I am also incredibly skeptical of the fact that you claim to have a system worked out that addresses all of our concerns, but you started this thread asking if we have research or stats on scams and baiting. Seems to me like you'd have to have the research done first to know what the value proposition is, before building anything or trying to solicit financial backing.
In baiting, as with many things in life, the old saying that "there is nothing new under the sun" holds true, and there are very few genuinely new ideas. You may have worked out a way to monetize baiting in a way that doesn't defeat the purpose, but I think it far more likely that someone has tried this before and met with failure.
All the same, I wish you good luck in your fight against the lads. |
I completely understand your skepticism.
So far my system is self-funded. That part's not the hard part. But I don't have the resources to bring it up and running to the public so to speak. It might be possible to garner some funding for it, but I will need to convince the people with the purse strings that the endeavor is worth their time and money. Hence my coming here to ask about scam and scambaiting stats.
You might be right that what I propose has been tried before and that it will be met with failure. But I don't really need protection from such a possible fate.
I appreciate your well wishes. I have been asked to leave, and so I will. I don't want to upset people here. That's certainly not the goal. So unless someone has some links to some scam studies or stats, or someone wants to have a discussion that doesn't involve calling me a clueless idiot or whatever, I wish us all well in our various fights against the lads. |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:04 pm |
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scamstats wrote: |
I appreciate your well wishes. I have been asked to leave, and so I will. I don't want to upset people here. That's certainly not the goal. So unless someone has some links to some scam studies or stats, or someone wants to have a discussion that doesn't involve calling me a clueless idiot or whatever, I wish us all well in our various fights against the lads. |
If you meant my comment to "move on", I wasn't asking you to leave Eater. I was asking you to move on from the discussion. You're welcome to stay, participate and learn - we can always use more baiters and site killers. |
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Justcold
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Joined: 27 Dec 2011
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:25 pm |
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While I disagree with your idea, you have not broken any rules and you have been polite in arguing your case.
Let's talk of other things and you might find you want to stay for awhile. |
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scamstats
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 28 Feb 2015
Posts: 22
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:27 pm |
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Ima Baeder wrote: |
scamstats wrote: |
I appreciate your well wishes. I have been asked to leave, and so I will. I don't want to upset people here. That's certainly not the goal. So unless someone has some links to some scam studies or stats, or someone wants to have a discussion that doesn't involve calling me a clueless idiot or whatever, I wish us all well in our various fights against the lads. |
If you meant my comment to "move on", I wasn't asking you to leave Eater. I was asking you to move on from the discussion. You're welcome to stay, participate and learn - we can always use more baiters and site killers. |
Thanks for the invitation to stay. I appreciate that. But my goal was to find some pointers to some stats on scams and scambaiting.
Understandably, people want to know why, and understandably people are skeptical, and understandably people want to tell me all the reasons why what I have proposed is a bad idea. I really wish that I could get into a more detailed technical discussion because I think people here would appreciate that, and I think if people understood the technical details, then they might be more forgiving as to the understandable (have I used that word enough) "people shouldn't get paid to do scambaiting" reaction.
I appreciate the offer to stay and engage scammers one on one and post my stories etcetera, but my days of scambaiting at the individual level are long gone. I had my fun. I am looking to put my efforts into the fight in other ways. I think that educating the public is important, helping the victims is important, and baiting the scammers is important. I think what people do here is GREAT. But I don't think it has to be the ONLY game in town. There might be a place for something a little different too.
I'll hang around a while and see if anyone who has an actual life on Saturday comes around during the week and has some pointers to studies or stats. Other than that, I'm not sure. |
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dr stephen williams
Baiting Guru
Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 16749
Location: Dreadful Hater-ville
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:31 pm |
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Yeah, Ima, when do I get my bonus cheque? Its late, again. I know its Saturday, and I don't have a life, but if you can look into it Monday, that would be great. |
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Toomuchfun
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Joined: 22 Jun 2011
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:53 pm |
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It is the end of the month and I need to get paid also.
As you know I use a fake name, email address, throw away phone and address.
As always send via Western Union and kindly forward me a copy of the receipt.
I will continue to help scam bait until I get a life. |
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Juan Freizwidatt
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Joined: 18 Apr 2004
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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:58 pm |
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I can't believe I wasted over 11 years of my life giving away my baiting skills when I could have been raking in the big bucks.
Live and learn. I'm off to get a life and apply for a paid baiting position. At least Eater should look good on my resumé. |
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Justcold
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:00 am |
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I wrote: |
you have been polite in arguing your case |
Spoke too soon...
I'm trying Ima... |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:05 am |
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@scamstats: You know that most of the members, through their frustration, were remaining polite, but ready should you throw a dig. You probably shouldn't have said that bit about not having lives, especially since you were out joining new forums on a Saturday.
Everyone relax. Paychecks are on the way and drinks are on me.
Please consider this thread closed and resolved unless anyone has any meaningful statistics on scams or baiting to contribute. Please don't make the thread devolve or drag on to the point it needs to be locked. Thank you! |
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SlapHappy
Baiting Guru
Joined: 15 May 2006
Posts: 9612
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:06 am |
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Juan, don't even think about asking me to give you a "reference" for that new job. Your record here is rather spotty, to put it nicely. |
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Big Al
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 5054
Location: Winter is Coming....
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:14 am |
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IBTL.
(Finally got one)
No you didn't - go play elsewhere. I have other buttons besides the lock button you know. Custom tag? Warned? -Ima |
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Mattaz
Baiting Guru
Joined: 02 Jan 2015
Posts: 2075
Location: I'm on my way from happiness to misery with you
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:22 am |
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I'll hang around a while and see if anyone who has an actual life on Saturday comes around during the week and has some pointers to studies or stats. |
Don't bother, those who have a life on saturday, doesn't have one during the week. tsss
Bad loser... |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:25 am |
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Let me just repeat:
Please consider this thread closed and resolved unless anyone has any meaningful statistics on scams or baiting to contribute. Please don't make the thread devolve or drag on to the point it needs to be locked. Thank you! |
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Big Al
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 5054
Location: Winter is Coming....
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:27 am |
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Ima Wrote:
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No you didn't - go play elsewhere. I have other buttons besides the lock button you know. Custom tag? Warned? Twisted Evil -Ima |
Is this because I didn't Woo you in the VD thread?
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:29 am |
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I have a pretty good sense of humor and a lot of patience, but you're pushing it a bit. Move along. |
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scamstats
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 28 Feb 2015
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:32 am |
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Justcold wrote: |
I wrote: |
you have been polite in arguing your case |
Spoke too soon...
I'm trying Ima... |
Umm, ya'll realize that my "not having a life on a Saturday" comment was a self-depreciating dig towards myself, not a comment on others. As in "I have no life - so I am here on a Saturday" not as in "others don't have a life so they are hear on a Saturday". Sorry if it was a little confusing. |
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Big Al
Baiting Guru
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Posts: 5054
Location: Winter is Coming....
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:43 am |
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@ Ima, Apologies.
Off I go.... |
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oscarpiles
#1 Moderator
Joined: 13 Apr 2012
Posts: 6776
Location: Sec tarnfuseslking with Fae and she co
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:47 am |
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@scamstats –You have Weathered the Storm here rather well in my opinion.
Stick around and do some reading as you might be surprised at what a bunch of 'Volunteers' can accomplish. |
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Mr. Labowski
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Sep 2013
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:48 am |
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Jeez people, it seems to me this new guy has been respectful and while his idea might not have much weight to it, I hardly see why there is a need to lock the thread or tell him to move on?
At least he's trying to fight the good fight... |
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scamstats
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 28 Feb 2015
Posts: 22
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Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:54 am |
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Ima Baeder wrote: |
Let me just repeat:
Please consider this thread closed and resolved unless anyone has any meaningful statistics on scams or baiting to contribute. Please don't make the thread devolve or drag on to the point it needs to be locked. Thank you! |
Thanks. I will hold up my end and not post any more. I will hang around for a while and hopefully someone might come along and offer some more pointers to studies or stats on scammers etcetera. The one's provided early on were great. Again, I meant no parting shot at anyone here, and again I appreciate all that people do here. |
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