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 Scambaiting: Ethical for a Christian?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:52 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't know how many Christian scambaiters there are, but I just want to ask if you guys think a Christian should scambait or not?
I am asking this because I am a SeventhDay Adventist (a Christian) and I am wrestling over wether I should scambait or not; namely, I am asking if it is Biblically acceptable. I really started questioning it when I read passages in the Bible such as Revelation 22:15 (where John describes who will be kept out of God's Kingdom): "But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters and whoever loves and practices a lie". Other passages include Proverbs 6:17, when King Solomon lists seven things that God hates: "...A proud look, a lying tounge". And there are many other passages, namely the 9th Commandment: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor". I hope you guys can see where I'm coming from! What do you guys say?
PLEASE note I am not trying to start a fight or any garbage like that.
Oh! And one more note! I scambaited a guy last year for about two months (if I remember, the guy was trying to get money for a charity or something; scams like that make me angry, to say the least). After I had toyed with the guy, I finally revealed that I was scambaiting him, BUT I did not do the "normal" thing and heckle him for being tricked or anything. Instead, I urged him to get out of the scamming "business" and I tried my best to point him to Christ (wether he went to Christ or not I have no idea). The point is, if I scambait and THEN do what I did there, do you guys think that makes a difference or not? I'm just wondering.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If it bothers you, why not put your energy into something like killing fake banks or helping get the word out about 419 scams? There are plenty of ways to help the fight without doing something you think may compromise your ideals. Giving a talk about 419 scams to groups in your community could very well prevent people from falling for a scam.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well i just went to a "random bible verse" website to come up with something totally abstract... just to have a laugh (not at your expense... just for fun) and it actually, in stead, came up with this:

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Philippians 4:8

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ethics, scmethics..... search is your friend. Wink

But if you aren't comfortable with doing something, don't do it. Other than adhering to the sensible rules and guidelines of this site such as not hacking or carying out other illegal activity, what we do to or with our lads is entirely up to each one of us as individuals to decide. We may at times wish to seek the opinions of our fellow baiters, but at the end of the day it's our decision that determines whether we sleep soundly at night or not.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have to admit, that is a toughy.

I am a believer and I don't go where I don't want to go.

Follow your heart and if you don't feel comfortable, don't do it.

BTW, God also wants us to help ones in need. Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

This is a scambait forum and not a religious forum.

If one wishes to discuss religion, methinks it would be more appropriate in another section, particularly since one cannot expect authors of centuries distance to have any correspondence with one another. Demonstration of that is a topic in and off itself, which is why, perhaps it belongs in another section.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Doctor X, I disagree... the original post was not about religion per se, but rather a request for opinions. As such, I'm willing to leave it here.

@jedi...as others have said, if you don't feel completely comfortable, then don't do it. Take SF's advice and check out the Fake Bank forum. You can work to your hearts content, and never compromise your own ethics.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Someone locked this while I was posting?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Jedi: Just my two cents here. I'm Christian and don't see a problem with scambaiting. Some might consider it lying, but for that matter, playing a practical joke on someone or the police participating in stings could be considered "lying" too. For me, it's more of a joke than anything. I'm not hurting the scammer by asking them to hold a silly sign or build a time machine - it's just a method to waste their time and have a little fun while doing it. If you do decide to participate in scambaiting though, the best thing is not to tell them that you've been wasting their time all along at the end.

So like I said, after examining the whole thing, I don't have a problem with it myself - but if you're unsure, take some time to think and pray about it. If you feel that scambaiting could be wrong, I would follow SlayerFaith's suggestion and help fight scamming in another way - getting the word out about it, killing fake banks, or even praying for the scammers if you want.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I unlocked it, Crash.

You were posting while I was messing with buttons.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:24 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I disagree with crashoot, but since the thread was locked, I sent him a PM with my concerns. More than happy to make it some of the information public.

My concern is that this is a site that is a respite from such discussions like sports, politics, and religion, and posters probably do not want such views dissected.

Happy to do it since, as I blathered in the PM, it interests me to no end, but it probably does not interest anyone else, or at least they do not expect such topics to come under critical scrutiny.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thread Title wrote:
Scambaiting: Ethical for a Christian?


I don't have any problems with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

MANY thanks for reopening the thread! I am very grateful! Very Happy Very Happy
For the record, this is NOT a debate, and I am NOT trying to fight, and I dont want ANYONE to fight! Just post opinions, please!
Anyways, thanks for everyone's replies so far!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I am catholic and don't have a problem with scambaiting because, yes, we are lying to them. . . . but if you look at the big picture, we are doing it for a greater good. They are evil. My lottery lad is trying to persuade me to take my sick mother's medication money to send to him and pay it back after I get my winnings. I believe that intention is a big part of whether or not something is sinful. My intention isn't to hurt the lad, simply to distract him from hurting others. I think God will give us a loophole with the lying for this one.

But, like everyone else has said in reference to anything having to do with baiting: if you're not comfortable with it, don't do it. There are other ways to help the cause.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

As I said to Doctor X in PM, I didn't feel this was a religious discussion, because jedi did not put forth any of his religious beliefs. Upon re-reading the original post, I can see where some may see his quoting of particular Bible passages as being just that.

Therefore, can I ask others to not make any religious quotes or statements?
Just post your brief opinion, or better yet, PM to Jedi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

There have been too many ethics threads lately.

@Jedi,

If you aren't comfortable, walk away and noone will think any less of you. In fact, I will respect you even more if you find a way to fight that doesn't compromise your ethics. As SF said, there are no unimportant jobs in this fight.

Good luck to you.

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EDIT: I was out of line so I removed some of the post. I am sorry.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Doctor X wrote:
My concern is that this is a site that is a respite from such discussions like sports, politics, and religion, and posters probably do not want such views dissected.


True, politics and religion are not supposed to be discussed here. But if we ban the discussion of sports, then you, me, and maybe five other people will be the only memebers left! Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well I am a Christian and I'm not really sure but I still do it, I prefer the phone lads because their quick and you don't really do much

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

My first 2 cents - Yes, basically it boils down to "do it if you're ok with it, don't if you're not".

My second 2 cents - I am not a Christian (nor a Muslim nor a Jew), so I'll leave this question open for you guys - isn't there any passage which permits us protect our families and innocents? Are the soldiers commited to eternal hell?

My last and paraphrased 2 cents - the only thing required for evil to succeed is for the good to stand idle

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I agree with ParaNoid. I do freelance work for a few literary magazines and think scambaiting is a fabulous way to work all the little kinks out of my methods (especially character development).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh, I forgot to add a biblical quote "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword".

Could it be just coincidence that 'sword' and 'scam' start with the same letter?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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i think so... hence i shall go make one.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not a religeous person so I have no problem with scambaiting whatsoever but I can understand your question, all I would say is that *most* of the lads are religeous, or say they are, judging by the way some react when you mention Satan or anything like that. If they have no problem lying about their ilness/dead family member/job in a bank then I have no problem telling them I am a multimillionaire lawnmower salesman or that I own art galleries around the world! Yes, its telling lies but like the others said, its more of a joke than anything else, its like farting and blaming it on someone else, lying, but joking and not hurting anyone.

The lads lie with the intention of hurting people financially they will say anything and everything to bleed you dry of money, that doesnt sound the act of a "true" christian does it? Just look at my sig for a line I got off an alleged "Reverend" lad.

Ultimately, its down to you, like everyone else has said, if you dont feel comfortable with it, dont do it, you probably wont want to get lads jumping off a roof or setting themselves alight but I cant see anything wrong with straight baiting. You could try and bait a lad without lying to them at all! See how long you can string them along without giving them any false details. then drop them! As long as you waste a bit of their time you are still scambaiting without compromising your beliefs!

And I love Zorros quote "the only thing required for evil to succeed is for the good to stand idle"

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