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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:50 pm

Hi,

My piggy bank Vlad elen@ who I've had for quite a while has out of the blue (from a long silence) agreed to meet me in Russia - Kazan not surprisingly. I've got my (real) flight details but it won't meet me at the airport. It will meet me at the hotel though. I'd really like this vlad to take a trip and I'm sure it will call the hotel to check if I'm booked in there.

Any advice on getting it out and about in the cold weather would be very much appreciated.

Your friend,

Phil.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:32 pm

"It" will be male - more than likely many males.

Criminals very organised. Maybe using a female as a lure. You will be on their turf.

You would like to see this vlad take a trip.

I would rather you remain unmolested and safe.

General advice

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There is a long history of kidnapping in the region and Westerners are particularly vulnerable. As in most countries, cities in Russia have their fair share of petty crime. You should be alert at all times to the possibility of mugging, pickpocketing and theft from vehicles or hotel rooms. Be particularly alert to groups of women and children who beg, and pickpockets around the main railway concourses.

Take care when drinking with or meeting casual or new acquaintances in bars, restaurants or night-clubs, as there have been incidents of robbery and violence involving foreigners. Pay particular attention when drinking alcohol. Drink spiking followed by robbery is prevalent and can also lead to violence and/or abuse. Unconscious victims are often left outside, which can be life threatening in the winter months. Beware of drinks which have not been poured in your sight, do not leave your drink unattended and do not accept drink given to you by a stranger or someone you have just met.

Food poisoning, TB, rabies and tick-borne encephalitis occur in Russia. Tick-borne encephalitis occurs in rural and wooded areas in the summer months. Tap water is not drinkable anywhere in Russia. Caution should be exercised and local advice sought. Bottled mineral water is widely available.

It is strongly recommended that you obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling. You should check any exclusions, and that your policy covers you for any activities you may wish to undertake. As well as full insurance cover for medical treatment and accidents, obtain also cover for unexpected losses such as cancelled flights, stolen cash, cards, passport or luggage.

Most hotels, restaurants and larger shops accept credit cards, but smaller shops do not. ATMs exist in most major cities. Travellers cheques are not widely accepted.

http://www.gotokazan.com/

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:15 pm

^^^^ Phil Yerboots

Please don't risk your life in this way, get 'her' to travel.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:14 pm

Phil, the lads are one thing, but the vlads are a completely different story. If they have any real information on you you should drop them.

When you say "real" flight details, do you mean that you are actually flying to Russia or do you mean that you just told them the number of an actual flight that you looked up online?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:14 pm

I don't know your vlad or your bait, but most romance scammer travel plans get interrupted by some sort of complication that involves you wiring money to fix. Could that be "her" plan?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:14 pm

Sorry if I alarmed anyone and thank you for your concern. By "real" I meant real flight details but of course i have absolutely no intention of going anywhere. I'm very aware that these people are dangerous criminals.

I have only ever used Gmail to correspond I have never given any personal details, I have never sent photographs of a personal nature.

However, if you think I should just say I missed the flight and leave it at that then I'll bow to greater knowledge. I guess feeling safe is different to being safe but I'm positive that I have followed all the rules.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:03 am

Vlads rarely travel.

Where do the emails come from? Which city?

Are they using a script?

Nothing personal, it sounds like you are very new, uneducated in the realities of 'Vlads', and like most new baiters, are wasting 200x the amount of your own time, that you are of the vlad.

Wink

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:12 am

Phil Yerboots wrote:

I have only ever used Gmail to correspond I have never given any personal details, I have never sent photographs of a personal nature.

Okay, that clears it up a bit. The way I read it is that you may have already had plans for traveling to Russia (ie for business) and had given the vlads your flight details so they could confirm.

As long as they do not have any personal info, there is no reason to drop them. Keep baiting them and see where it goes. luckey is probably correct and there will be some complication that requires a WU. Thumbs up

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:24 am

need some help John is just playing with is flamingos

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:18 am

Thanks everyone for their help and advice. It is very much appreciated.
I've read through all the replies and on balance have decided to see what happens with my fake arrival in Kazan which is near where my Vlad said it lived in an early email.

Here's the vlads email header:

Quote:

Delivered-To: [email protected]
Received: by 10.216.28.7 with SMTP id f7cs344001wea;
Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:21:25 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.224.43.168 with SMTP id w40mr11455371qae.19.1262629284271;
Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:21:24 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (forward6.mail.yandex.net [77.88.60.125])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 6si49558898qwk.11.2010.01.04.10.21.22;
Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:21:24 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 77.88.60.125 as permitted sender) client-ip=77.88.60.125;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 77.88.60.125 as permitted sender) [email protected]
Received: from webmail6.yandex.ru (webmail6.yandex.ru [77.88.61.50])
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Stepan wrote

Quote:

Where do the emails come from? Which city?

Are they using a script?

Nothing personal, it sounds like you are very new, uneducated in the realities of 'Vlads', and like most new baiters, are wasting 200x the amount of your own time, that you are of the vlad.

They started off using a script but have been off script for sometime. True, it's an extra bit of work but I have the time and the inclination maybe just this once to try.

To Janeegrl I say: I'm not sure how much longer this bait will last but any help is welcome especially from your good self. Just let me know what you need to know.

Thanks again everyone and I'll keep you posted as to what happens (if anything)

Phil

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:55 am

Not to worry Phil - all comments and information are useful - if not to us - then certainly to others.

Best of luck with the vlad.

Wink

If you would like to PM me an early mail - I could do some investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:04 pm

Quote:

Received: from 161.14.pppoe.mari-el.ru

That's a Mari el scammer, in case you didn't know.

Not likely you'll get them to travel, unless you they mail the set of pictures they're using to the hotel. Smile

Vlads are kind of methodical, and dont' stray too far from the scripts, or if they do.....don't jump through too many hoops for you.

They know they make $$$ by mass emailing, writing hundreds of guys at one time...and waiting for the small percentage to pay up. Since they use automated means for most of the emails, it's profitable....and they really aren't putting much time in for each individual potential victim.

with the exception of the rare, live female body you can document is participating in the scam, usually just posing for pictures, the most effective thing you can do is post the details publicly, which may help a victim and cheat them out of some paychecks.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:24 pm

Thanks Stepan. You're probably right but after I said I was leaving for the airport I got 3 mails in 4 mins which is encouraging, surely? Admittedly it's getting some of the details wrong but that will help with the confusion tomorrow hopefully.

11.39 am

Quote:

Thanks for the letter.

I am glad it to read.
Hotel " Mirage "?
I have understood, what you will be in Kazan on December, 6th?
Send the photo.
Write as you will accustom to hotel
I shall wait.
With tenderness Elena
I can look mail тоолько tomorrow in the afternoon

11.41 am

Quote:

You were in Russia earlier?
Unless you have a visa?

11.43 am

Quote:

You on how many days will arrive?
Still a problem.
I live not in most Kazan
Therefore I should go from my place up to Kazan by a taxi

Seems as though it might actually travel but I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:18 pm

Quote:

Therefore I should go from my place up to Kazan by a taxi

Money request soon!

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:24 pm

I'm sure you're right too devil_woman. But how exactly it expects me to transfer money from the airport when I'm 'russian" to get my plane is beyond me! Wink

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:37 pm

Well I'm nearly on the plane Smile

time to send another mail to my darling Vlad:

Quote:

Hi doughnut. I'm here in the departure lounge on my laptop. Should hopefully be boarding soon. I will arrive at Kazan airport at 5.35 am tomorrow so it will take me one day. In 24 hours we will be together my sweet. I can hardly contain my excitement.
Don't worry about the problem of the taxi I'll give you whatever money you spend on the taxi and more when we are together. My angel you won't need to worry about anythingh ever again. No mor problems just everything wonderful and lovely, I am going to take care of you for the rest of your life. I love you so much.

Sleep tight tonight my darling and have a sexy dream about me and then we will do the real thing soon ; )

Fingers crossed I don't miss my connecting flight from Frankfurt Wink

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:52 pm

The Spooner jet is always handy, Phil.

I think there must be a fleet of them - they seem to be everywhere.

Powered by GMale turbos and WiFi.

Wink

Send her a snap.

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:33 am

Ahh thanks Kate. That's brilliant. I'm definitely going to use that pic. It's priceless! "Honey I'm home!" Very Happy

The Vlads last email was an absolute corker:

Quote:

Thanks for the letter.

I am glad it to read.
Send the photo.
Because you sent me only one photo.
I should learn you to face.
Though the photo deforms people and even I can be little bit another than on a photo Laughing

[what? you might look like a completely different person? Or maybe a man?]
I wait your letter from a photo
Elena

This was my last reply about 3 hours ago:

Quote:

hi Baby.

I'm off the flight at Frankfurt. Just waiting around until later here at the airport. Of course stupid me forgot the photo! I havent got any charge in my mobile phone at the moment but as soon as I do I'll take a photo of myself and send it to you so you can recognise me at the hotel. Or the airport if you can get there that early!!

I don't mind if you look a biut different in your photo I know you probably only showed me the best ones but I know you will be beautiful whatever you look like. Sleep well sweetheart and Ill see you tomorrow.

Muffin XX

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:57 pm

Well there have been some developments.
I sent this earlier on today

Quote:

Morning baby. Or is it afternoon? Ha ha I'm a bit jet-lagged. My god it is COLD here and very snowy. I had no idea! I'll have to buy one of those hats with the fur on it! I managed to take this photo. I hope you don't mind that I'm a bit balding! I never said I was a handsome man. [photo supplied was of one of America's Most Wanted cyber fraudsters]

When are you going to get here sweetheart? I'm a bit nervous about being here with all this money to be honest. I thought they were going to search my bags at the customs. There's a park nearby called Park Probedi or Pobedy the hotel says I could meet you by the eternal flame part. I'll be the one that hasn't got a russian hat!!

What time would be best for you sweetheart?

Hope to see you later. All my love,

Muffin XXX

This was the reply

Quote:

I have understood all
I can look in the evening only mail.
I thought, чо you have already written all to me.
Already 1 one o'clock in the afternoon.
I wait your photo and data on hotel
You will be in "Mirage"?
I wait the letter from you in the evening
With tenderness Elena

So I says:

Quote:

Ahh baby you're so close I can almost touch you! And I really do want tha. You can only look in the evening mail? Does that mean I need to wait until this evening to see you or tomorrow evening? I'm bursting to see you as soon as possible!!

I don't understand I've just sent you my photo do you want a photo of something else? When can I see you darling? Tell me please

your Muffin man XXX

Now it gets interesting

Quote:

I was in hotel " Mirage " street Mоskovskya 1a
I have asked the manager hotel to cause from a room [deleted fake name]
The manager to me has told, that with such name in their hotel there is no person.
I in a shock. I could not call to you because there is no money and there was no mind to dial your number. [courtesy of K7.net]
I do not know. What to think and do.
I have tears and to me is very insulting. I have spent money for a taxi which has taken in a duty, I have not found you.
Trouble......
That you will tell on it.
Now only at night I can see your letter or tomorrow in the morning

So, how to keep this going for a bit is the question I'd like to ask any interested parties. My inclination is to say that I'm using an assumed name and didn't want to use my real name obviously due to the large amount of currency I'm supposed to have smuggled into Russia.

That way I think a trip away from the hotel might be in order?

Thanks for any replies / help pending.

Phil

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:13 pm

Depends on how silly you want to be - or how much the vlad will take?

Obviously you are travelling under a secret name - you are working for a very secret society.

The hotel name was a test - "she" passed with flying colours.

The Tatars of the Golden Horde in the mid-fifteenth century founded Kazan - you are there to investigate something of such import and is such a secret - you are wondering whether to disclose anything about your mission....

... but even Phil Bond has his weak link - and "she" IS such a ravishing beauty.

Whatever you are discovering will make you and the vlad fabulously wealthy.

Open the file - "Taş Ayaq" (Stone Leg) on arrival - prepare to be stirred and not shaken.

Wink

"google ваш друг"

Quote:

legend tells a story of a Tatar princess Söyembikä, who dropped a golden dish (golden qazan) in to the river on which the city is located while washing it

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:11 pm

The hotel name was a test -- I like that suggestion by Cathartic Kate. You are really staying at another hotel, but you don't want to reveal it until you have a "safe" meeting in a very public place. Park Probedy by the eternal flame, high noon, tomorrow!

Bruin

(when they say you did not show up - here is an excuse: You rode the metro and got off at the Probedy Prospect metro station. You thought that Park Probedy must be right there. But you now realize you were on the far side of town....)

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:12 am

Thank you Kate, Thank you Bruin.

I love your ideas. In for a penny in for a pound and forget softly, softly catchy monkey on this one. We're going for our own spy thriller!

I've just looked back at the "paper trail" and I've had this vlad since 11th June 2009 and 79 emails between us. I think there is the distinct possibility it might be hooked. So much time, so much effort on it's part. It must be hard to let go. If both or either of you are interested (despite your own baits) I think we could set it up good and that would be sweet.

I'm mailing it in the morning with a tempting "you've done well." I've got a convincing bag of money and offshore account back story. If you fancy in please PM me and I'll spill the beans on everything up to this point. After a suitable chase, a couple of double-crosses and an explosive finale we might even have the plot for the next Bond film!! Very Happy

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:57 pm

Well, well looks like the Vlad's not happy Laughing

Quote:

You said lies all to me.
So it is insulting

Yep! That's all it wrote. Time for the unbelievable truth?

I replied:

Quote:

El3na, darling

I have not told you lies. But I haven't told you the whole truth. You're right about that. You are intelligent and that is a good thing. I'm glad. I always hoped I could depend on you.

What I need to say to you is very, very important. I will try to be clear for you.

1. I'm not at the Mirage. I am staying somewhere else but I can't tell you exactly where at the moment. For the reasons that I think you already know with regards to the money.

2 I needed to know that you are genuine and to trust you more than I ever did before. In fact to trust you more than I have ever trusted ANYONE in my life. I know I can do that now because you checked at the Mirage to find me. I needed to make sure that you would do that. I know Russia can be a dangerous place.

3. I do love you. I have never lied about that. I do want to be with you and I do want you to share my life.

4. I will be in touch soon with instructions of how to meet me for real and so I can explain things properly. But I am suspicious about this current email account. Honestly, baby if you knew what is involved and how much you would be careful too.

5.THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. I have made a new email account just for us. Send me an email to it so we can proceed. I won't say what it is in this letter but you will be able to work it out. Only you will know. It is

[email protected] the missing part is [stuff we've talked about - not difficult for it to work out]. Do you understand?

If there is anything you need to know ask me at the new address. If you don't understand about the new address ask me here.

I'm sorry if I have confused or upset you but you will soon learn why I have to be so careful.

I love you sweetheart.

Muffin XXX

It's reply just received:

Quote:

I called in the airport.
You at all did not take the ticket aboard the plane and did not cross border Russia
You simply play with me.
Why? I do not understand.
What have I made to you bad?
Farewell

This is the reply just sent:

Quote:

Sweetheart. I've been waiting for you to contact me. It would have looked like I didn't take the plane because I've used a different name.

I know you must be upset and confused darling but I can explain everything. Nothing has changed about the way I feel. I still love you but I couldn't tell you everything until I was safe and know that you are safe.

You haven't done anything bad.

Contact me at the new email address. I can write more from there.

Remember it's [goes through it again]

Trust me I love you and can explain.

Muffin XXX

So we'll see. Maybe it is farewell. But even if it is. I hope that is one mad, sad Vlad Mad

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:07 pm

Yeah, Hot and Angry!!

This just in:

Quote:

That for nonsense you write!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You at all did not cross border Russia.
Also it is not necessary to me to say lies. You now sit in London (if you in general there live)
I do not understand sense to play with me. In what weight focus? To you gives pleasure me to offend?
I think, that you in general all say lies also a deceit around of your letters. I think, that at you anything is not present. You earn a little and have created to yourself dream and live in it.
To me wrote already such the man. It sent a photo of the big house, promised the moon from the sky. And then I have understood, that it simply played with me. Your letters are similar to game. Very Happy

[once baited, twice shy!]
Also stop to play spies. I not the little girl. Once again you will write such nonsense I shall not answer you at all.
Write to me the truth.

You want the truth? YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

Anyone care to suggest the next step?

Love Phil X

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:29 pm

Quote:

Write to me the truth.

Ah, a ray of hope. Very Happy

You're on borrowed time with this one. How does something like this sound?

Quote:

Dear Vlad

Everything you said is right. I am sorry I was so careless with your heart. I wanted to impress you by showing you a picture of a big house, and making you think I could afford to fly to Russia on a whim to see you. The truth is I have very little money. I work in a factory putting those aglets thingies on shoelaces and I only make about $5.25 an hour. My uncle recently died and left me some money. When I promised to come see you, I thought I was going to have that money in time to buy a plane ticket. I hoped and hoped as each day passed, but by the morning of the flight, the money was still in the hands of the greedy lawyers. I thought if I could just make some harmless excuses, you know, stall for a few days, then I would get the money and get on the first flight so I could make it all up to you. I understand if you don't feel you can trust me. I never meant to hurt you. I don't know why I ever thought I could be with someone as special as you.

Forever yours, if only in my dreams.

Phil

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