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ChainYanker
Collecting TShirts the Hard Way
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 1497
Location: Shouting "Fire!" in crowded theaters across America
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:06 pm |
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Today I had an uncomfortable talk with my mother. She doesn't like what I'm doing. In her words, "it's not doing anything to improve the world". She was spectical, to put it midly, when I told her we take up a scammer's time so that he can't go after real victims. I'm at loss as to what to say to her. Are there any statistics or anything I can show her? I just feel so terrible that she feels that way. |
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Ima Baeder
Baiting Guru
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 18313
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:10 pm |
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ChainYanker, I suggest that you show her ScamWarners first. You can let her know that baiters distract the scammers from victims, report bank accounts, shut down fake sites, help victims find out about the scam by posting information, accidentally or purposefull get victim information from their baits, etc.
Additionally, baiting has an entertainment/amusement factor that draws people in. That helps spread the word about scams, increasing awareness. |
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Tsnerd
Not quite a Newb
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 41
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:13 pm |
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:tongue in cheek:
Point out that you are using the internet for good and not online porn or WoW (which is pretty much the same, from what I've been told). |
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RoyalFlush
Eater U Quiz winner
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Posts: 361
Location: One poker tourney or another
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Print out a few of the posts from Eater users who found this place because they Googled in search of more information about the strange e-mails they were receiving from strangers. These people have come here to tell us, first hand, that we're doing something useful. I can't think of any better proof of the point behind baiting than that. |
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A SKYHOOK
419Eater is my life
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 405
Location: the land of oz
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:33 pm |
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ChainYanker wrote: |
Today I had an uncomfortable talk with my mother. She doesn't like what I'm doing. In her words, "it's not doing anything to improve the world". She was spectical, to put it midly, when I told her we take up a scammer's time so that he can't go after real victims. I'm at loss as to what to say to her. Are there any statistics or anything I can show her? I just feel so terrible that she feels that way. |
im haveing the same problem with my wife so it doesn't mater what age you are people have a opinion on some think they know nothing about i will be watching this thread for help to |
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ChainYanker
Collecting TShirts the Hard Way
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 1497
Location: Shouting "Fire!" in crowded theaters across America
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:40 pm |
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Thank you. I'm just feeling really put-out by what happened, and I needed a little moral support. |
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"This deal does not have anything to do with religion because we are talking about $10.150 million us dollars" -Bangu Mali
"YOUR DEATH IS AT HAND HENCE YOU LEARNT HOW TO DOUBLE CROSS OTHER GUYMAN KEEP IT ON AND WATCH OUT" -Don Jack
"why is it that you dont believed that the unicorn is avaialabe" -Victoria Smith
"i have seen that you are not financially capable to handle this great opportunity maturedly" -Muhammad Bla1se
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bill2
Baiting Guru
Joined: 10 Sep 2006
Posts: 5495
Location: Yeah who can tell me where I am?
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:43 pm |
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I just feel so terrible that she feels that way |
That shows you're a good daughter, caring about her feelings too. On the other hand, you can't make her change it, it is her right to have her own opinion. So from here on it's politics
You could mention the good points mentioned above, verbal or in print out and give her a chance to appreciate the work you've been doing here.
Not everybody is made to step up and become a cop, a firefighter or a priest and take on the world on his/her own, at least you're trying the best you can, without endangering family or friends.
Helping strangers in need to understand what went wrong and where they should have be more careful in the future is no crime either, so there must been a kink in the communication with your mom.
I do not always agree with the baiting results some members get from their lads so if she heard only that side I can understand her.
Show her a "good" fake bank that rips of a few hundred victims and tell her that you can shut that down even before the police knows it's there.
Give her time to absorb, take more time to explain and she'll come around.
Good luck
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:44 pm |
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Don't feel bad, my girlfriend thinks this is useless hobby and waste of time that could be better spent watching the Lifetime channel with her or watching paint dry on the walls. Some people just don't understand what we do because they do not see any personal benefit from it.
I'm not saying your mom or my girlfriend are bad people, I'm just saying that they don't see things the way we do and convincing them otherwise isn't always possible. |
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Master
Baiting Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 2531
Location: AU
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:12 pm |
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I think all of us have someone who will disagree.
my missus has finally come around. |
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Titania
Hell on wheels
Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Posts: 2442
Location: Rollin' rollin' rollin'
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:21 am |
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@CY - if it helps, tell her that my pastor thinks I'm doing a great thing.
Seriously, Ima made the best points. Sending out emails and wasting the lads' time is not the heart of what we do. It grabs the most attention because it is published here, and it is what people just getting into the whole picture do first.
But one into the action, new baiters realize the whole range of "jobs" that really DO make a difference - site killing, warning, education, and other behind-the-scenes work that actually hurts the lads and measurably helps victims.
And, yes, my pastor is proud of me. |
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Catcher In The Lie
Master of Master Baiters
Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 877
Location: 404 Yellow Brick Road
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:50 am |
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ChainYanker,
All great advice above!
We all need to process things our own way and in our own time. I wouldn't inundate her with a lot of explanations all at once. You could print out just a couple of particularily heart breaking victim stories from Scamwarners. Let her digest them and empathize with the despair and hopelessness these victims live with everyday.
Then you could print out a couple of triumphant stories, where people due to sites like this (this one's the best of course) were educated and saved a ton of heartache. No doubt she'll then understand what a good cause it is, and will come around.
When your Mom said:
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"it's not doing anything to improve the world". |
You might gently remind her of this one:
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. |
Edmund Burke
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ParaNoid
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Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 5123
Location: Looking for Steward.
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:40 am |
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I like the comments about pointing her to scamwarners. I would then tell her the parable of the starfish. (If you don't know that one, just google it.) If you are making the difference to just one (victim), you have made a difference in and to the world.
Best to you in your explication. |
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Nurse Nasty
Baiting Guru
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 7251
Location: Australia, where a dingo stole my eski
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:11 am |
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What should I tell my mother? |
Tell her you love her and that she is wonderful. Make her breakfast at least twice a week and always offer to make her a coffee or tea whenever she sighs.
Every now and then tell her she looks really nice in that outfit/hairstyle/shoes - Big brownie points for all these. Sooner or later you will be the perfect offspring and can do no wrong. She'll ease up.
Also offer to wash the dishes when she looks tired. |
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Wright B Hindyou
Elite Baiter
Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 1795
Location: Bangkok
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:25 am |
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Most people just don't "get" baiting, and are uncomfortable when I mention what I do here.
I converted two of them by sending them a pictorial Christmas card of "The Lad Who Stole Christmas". They laughed so hard that they inevitably began to wonder how we can persuade Lads to do sh*t like that.
From there, it was an easy step to explain the more serious aspects of what we do, and thus gain their understanding and tacit support. |
_________________ "YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY" - Douglas Minning
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"THIS YOUR BEHAVIOR IS IRELEVANT AND CROSPOLOS CARACTER" - Madam Clarrise Keita.
"you must speak beter because we dont train mad people in this company." - Incredible Self-Baiting Pastor Joe |
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sir scam alot
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
Posts: 5076
Location: Louisiana
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:29 am |
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The "Lad Who Stole Christmas" is an office favorite where I work. |
_________________ = Rev. JB Johnson. Lome to Parakou "i thought it will just be a day jouney. unknowingly to me that it will last up to one week."
2 = Harrison: Owerri, Nigeria to Cotonou, Benin and Accra, Ghana "i know ive been a sucker for twat "
= (Group safari) Oy3nka Ch1dinma: Lagos to Cotonou: "Thank you so much for the embrassment."
= Group safari - Dan Nkwerre: Port Harcourt to Abeche, Chad
2 = Barr. Mustapha Marlick: Lome, Togo to Abuja Nigeria and Accra, Ghana.
x15 (some survived) x280
<b>Have you kicked your lad today?<b>
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larry
Old Telecom Guy
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Posts: 516
Location: land of mountains plains, lakes, gophers etc etc
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:38 am |
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I insist on my family all eating at the table for every evening meal. As revenge the kids make me give them a daily baiting report.. (Teach 'em early I always say). As far as my mother is concerned I am sure her response would be "what is a computer?" |
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Ex.
Nature's Asshole
Joined: 28 Dec 2007
Posts: 990
Location: Hell's Presidential Suite
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:36 am |
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Tsnerd wrote: |
... or WoW (which is pretty much the same, from what I've been told). |
Nah, its not like porn, more like an online Disneyland you don't have to wait in line for.
@ CY
Just be sure to expose what we do here bit by bit, don't throw it all at her in big chunks. Also, don't let her knowledge of what we do here remain ignorant. Explain everything to her and explain how safe it really is. |
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crashhoot
Moderator
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 4237
Location: Looking for the petting zoo.
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:07 am |
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@CY, if you're under the age af consent, then do what your mother says.
However, if you are over the age of consent, then tell your mother, "You're right Mom. Thanks for the great advice." And then never discuss scam baiting with her again! |
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Craig007
Baiting Guru
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 3123
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:32 am |
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Yes, I agree with Crash. If you are legally an adult, then you can do whatever you like, although it could be argued not if you live in the same house.
I told my wife after I had settled in at Eater, she knows I hate criminals, and so I can take my rage out on them without physically hurting them/ me getting hurt.
However, she drew the line at me meeting one in person, Otterfan and I were going to do a lad meet, but she was not keen. I didn't want to upset her, so I didn't do it. |
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A SKYHOOK
419Eater is my life
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 405
Location: the land of oz
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:57 am |
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@craig007 im watching top gear as i type and i can see the bald spot from your wifes thumb
@ChainYanker remember that she who must be obeyed makes the cookies and those sunday roasts |
_________________ before i can walk i must crawl and a skyhook will help lift me up were i want to be . i no iv got one in the shed some were hang on ill be back as soon as i find it
We are expecting you to feed us with the necessary payment details This is prof.Sloudo the excutive Governor Of Central Bank Of Nigeria.
Last edited SUN/8/2010 by one of the skyhooks The pointed eared fairy, aka "Yasterb" is much nicer looking now since the operation thats her in her new avatar the one on the left with the wax "dummy" of the old elfie |
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Murry Guru
Baiting Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 5561
Location: Turned into Ralph
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:36 am |
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And, yes, my pastor is proud of me |
I am proud of you too
It seems I am not alone in having a wife who would rather me on the lounge watching lifestyle with her rather than "saving the world" as she puts it
I occasionally get encouragement from her, but not often, oh well, baiting goes on
In answer to the OP question, do as Ima suggests and if that fails, do as Crash suggests |
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thud419
Baiting Guru
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Posts: 3193
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:42 am |
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See those fake sites in your signature? I'd push that angle.
My other half doesn't like the idea of humiliating scammers, even if it's just to get silly photos, so I don't tend to mention that angle to her.
What we do, in decreasing order of importance:
- We publicise 419 scams and educate people about how they work.
- We get victim information for warning.
- We get evidence against scammers and report it - mainly bank accounts.
- We close down scammers' on-line resources where it is productive to do so, costing them money and reducing their believability to victims.
- We make scammers more wary of victims that ask too many questions, which reduces the number of available victims.
- We waste scammers' time and money, reducing the resources they have to scam real victims.
- We make crime pay just a little bit less, making it a less attractive career choice.
No matter what you do in the baiting world, you are saving people from losing money. There is no way to know how many people or how much money. Ask yourself how many people and how much money would make it worth your time. If just once you saved someone from losing their home and their life savings, wouldn't that make it all worthwhile?
You can do that by passing on a CC'd list of victims or closing a fake site, because the easiest victim to warn is the one who is yet to get hooked. But there is no telling how much they would have lost if they were never warned or smelt a rat when the fake bank died. Two or three years down the line they might have been homeless or in prison for passing fake cheques. |
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Inspector Gadget
Angel of unrealistic meetings
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 6259
Location: Trumpton
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Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:41 am |
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She was spectical, to put it midly |
This is the act of an older person pushing their glasses down their nose and looking at you over the top of them before dispensing wisdom or a wise saying.
My wife just comments on me being on that bloody computer again. Whilst she doesn't totally understand what we do, and was worried about being traced, she has seen some of the results and has become much more scam aware. So I've managed to educate at least one person.
My advice just echos the others, if you chat to your mother about the subject again mention the educational and warning side of it. Watch out for newspaper articles on scams you can show her. |
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