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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:50 am

Need a bit of help,,

I'm trying to trace this lady, as she seems very well educatted, reportedly a Doctor , and I would sooner drop her now, then carry on with a bait, that she does not deserve..

I only have a first name Tatyana from Kazan. which is no help at all..

It arrived via a catcher account on, My beloved net

I,ve run the pictures through Tineye, and come up with nothing.

Here's the e-mail details,,

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:59 am

Looks familiar to me, though I can't say for certain--I may have seen some of those pics at romancescam.com. Did you try to google the initial script?

The Bat significantly adds to the likelihood that this is a vlad, or a pro-dater at a minimum. Also, googling the IP address shows it has been involved in multiple romance scams.

Romancescam.com is very slow tonight, maybe still overwhelmed (or under DDOS) due to the publicity generated on Oprah today, so I can't access the threads related to the IP, but all signs so far point to vlad. If you set up a relatively undesirable profile and this one contacted you, I'd say you have a vlad.

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:00 am

I agree with Dorothy, it's quite familiar stuff. The IP search is very telling as well.

I've been a user of mybelovednet for a long time now... as long as you've posted a bad profile, it's a very reliable resource for finding Vlads. (Rather, the vlads find you). In fact, I don't think there's a genuine girl on there. In short, it's almost certain she's a vlad, and if she's not, then she's a pro dater. Have fun with her!

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:02 am

Thanks Dorothy & Mugatu

She's on romance scam,

http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12109

Username tatyana2000
User name Tatyana Sk
Birthday Jan/01/1980
Country Russian Federation
Email [email protected]
IP 91.144.161.171

Comes up with some of thr same lines as I got

Quote:

I live together with my Mother, my Father died when I was 15.

He was crossing the street at the crisscross, but unfortunately the driver was drunk and he didn't notice my Dad...

And the same photo's..

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:57 am

Well I'd like to report I've got it hooked,
At the moment we are discussing Movies and swapping Curry Recipes,
Which just goes to show, what can be achieved, when you stop talking about money, sex, and who's marrying who.

And it's a hell of a way to get-um of script..

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:26 pm

Good job with the bait.
Give him/her/it a good ride!

Very Happy

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:27 am

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X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.27) Professional

There's your evidence, real people dont have use for "The Bat" to explain it simply (because thats the only way I know how to) it's a program that helps with mass sending emails.

A real Russian girl who was looking for a man of their dreams does not use it

There is a section on "The Bat" in the love sticky and I know that Romancescam has some more good info on the subject, but as with everything, google is your friend,

Happy baiting Laughing

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:28 am

Well the red-heads still sending me e-mails, no sign of any cash requests yet. Which is a surprise, it now calls me "sweetie" And I will admit I do feel like a bloody "gum drop" at times.

Now it's discussing me with her Mum, which is nice, and it want's to visit, with Mum, It sent me a picture.

I mean why me, I've had 4 on the last week wanting to visit, and they all want to bring there mothers. Still it adds to the cash count, and I can disappoint twice as many people

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:43 am

You could show them the picture of your avatar and tell them it is you and they still wouldn't care.

Still 4 news loves in a week who want to visit with their mothers is quite a good haul.

You could explain how your ex-wife was very close to her mother, so much in fact that you couldn't stand it which is why you parted ways, tell them NO MOTHER, it will be nice to have them adjust their script for you Laughing

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:19 am

Murry wrote

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You could show them the picture of your avatar and tell them it is you and they still wouldn't care

What , how can you say that.. Actually at my age, Mum looks quite comfortable,

but she's in love with me,, look what she wrote,,

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And

that your intentions about me are absolutely pure... I hope I am

right? please, tell me that I am... this is the last doubt that I have

about you, all the rest is absolutely clear for me, darling... oh, I

don't know what to do with my heard because it seems to think only of

you every day... My God, this is increadible, that we are more then

1000000000 km apart I'm the man on the moon from each other and we are connected somehow in

our minds... if someone told me a month ago that I would be losing my

head because of it, I would never belive! but it is going on with

ME!!! and I have always considered myself being not that light-minded!

Me thinks we are getting down to the business end of the relationship, whats the betting the next e-mail will want money for a visa, or good old mum's stabbed herself in the heart with a knitting needle, and is in hospital with a Boil on her Bum. Please help me, she cried.
Unfortunately, I start my new medication next week.

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:09 pm

Girls seem to ask for stuff quicker than guys do ...

My lads seem to hint at problems, like they expect me to offer help, I just offer advice & sympathize with them...it takes mine a month or so of serious chat to get around to actually begging...and then get offended at a 5$ offer of help Wink

I'd try for a photo trophy...just start now that you'd like a nice picture with your name to print & frame to show your family & friends as you tell them about her Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:18 am

Nope,, I've got no interest in trophies, And all my baits are Russians or Ukrainians, and there a hell of a lot harder then the Lads.
Unlike your Nigerians, The people from the eastern block countries are far from stupid.

This one is a confirmed woman, unlike most of the Vlads, that pose as ladies [cough.cough]
But this one is particularly nasty, and has a long history of ripping people off. And at the moment, it's not only off script, but it's busting it's gut
to reply, Then it waits two days for me to reply. And all the time it thinks it's setting me up for the kill.

But the quickest way to drop one , is to ask for a photo of it holding a sign, saying Blah Blah and Blah. The Russians are awake to that sort of rubbish.
Actually I told it, that it's Mum was a good looker, [ and I'm also informed she can Cook. ] and would she send me HER e-mail.. Now that would be a trophy..

And we all know the advice we got on the Divorce court steps,,
"if you wanna know what the daughter will turn out like, look at her mother" It's a bloody pity none of us heed it.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:50 pm

lol too funny --- asking for mum's e-mail addy

I know lads are easier than vlads...I'm new to this and lads hit on me first, so I'm going with them until I learn what not to say...

Have a pakastani on the line right now -- he has asked for a business proposition which I put an end to right away, although he still thinks I'll go for it once he's gained my trust enough -- always uses "wife" after anything he says...he just renamed me with a muslim name "fatima"...so after marrying him I'll get to be called by another girls name ... joy joy ...

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:25 am

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lol too funny --- asking for mum's e-mail addy

That's also the key to getting the little red-head off-script

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I know lads are easier than vlads...I'm new to this and lads hit on me first, so I'm going with them until I learn what not to say...

Go on have a go,, most of the Russian woman that reply will be men, very few are actually woman.. This big problem is they all use the same names, there's heaps of Tatyana's Tatiana's, Olga's, Nina,s Natasha's.

This one's a problem

So far I've had an Olga, a Ilnara, a Elena, and a Natalia all using the same set of photo's.

So you will need to keep some sort of records on who's who or simply write to the first Olga, and delete the rest.

But most of them work the same old same'O, same'O script. There all in love with you, and want your babies, after you pay for there internet, Picture portfolio's, Off cause there all fashion models or doctors. But you will find that , the hard part is getting them on the hook.. While they send out a lot of welcome notes on "my beloved" you will only get a few that will reply to your first response with your e-mail address. And then the same people will send you another welcome note..
I"ve found that once you send the first bodgie WU and explain why it won't pay, they will drop you. Sometimes you will get an abusive e-mail because they couldn't collect. And you won't hear from then again.
If you can get them off-script, your doing well and a couple of months will normally see them gone, unless you can get them talking. And never reply straight away,, make them wait a day or two.. And they all like talking about Sex.
It's also harder bringing in a 2nd character, They ether resent the fact or can't handle replying to a 2nd person, simply because they can't use a script.

But have a go and see how you go..

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:22 am

Well I got this little gem of stupidity today,, It looks like we've ALL been rumbled, and they know exactly what we are up to.

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You know,I found out one thing that may seem not pleasant for you, because it concerns us. It seems we are now an US

I found on one of the internet sites and I also heard from my friends that very often men from your country cheat on russian women. well there's a revelation, wonder if it happens in reverse

They write lovely and kind letters, just the same as we do and then they invite the woman to come to their country and when she comes they start to treat her as a slave. Yep, there's two chained up in the cellar as we speak

I don't want to tell that this is you but honey, I read a lot about it and
now I am afraid that you want to do the same with me... I'll give you this, Your quick

oh, I don't know what to think, because I know you not very long, but I already like you so much and I am so so much afraid to get disapointed in you...
oh, I feel so awful now... please tell me that this is all my

imagination OK it's in your imagination and that you are looking for love, for normal woman like me and not for a slave....

It's all a bit strange she hasn't commented on the amount of men that send money for air fares and no-one turns up.. Still no point in bothering with a few details.. To spoil a good drama

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:24 am

It is a common excuse they use, the baiter tells her of concerns about the woman may not be true, the western of union man told me I should make sure you are sincere, they come back with the stories of men who get the Russian bride and treat them like shit, I am sure it does happen but in this case it is just an excuse that you need to send money to show that you are not going to rip them off Wink

I am presuming you asked her to prove herself to you, this is just another hurdle to cross, you could try telling her that if she doesn't believe that you really love her that she neednt bother writing again, nor should she bother if she cant prove herself to you, after all, you are the one with the money and she wants it so she will need to prove she is who she says she is before proceeding, it's not like you will be able to lock her in the basement if she sends you a picture of herself in Christmas attire Laughing

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:58 am

if you don't mind, would you take a look at the photo of "Lena Fry" in my Do You Know Lena Frey post, and let me know if she is on any of the sites you've mentioned... Although she claims to be British, I have a sense that she is Russian. thanks

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:32 am

Doit,

See my response in your original thread...

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:02 am

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I am presuming you asked her to prove herself to you,

I simply told her that if she really loved me, she would never think such a thing.
And then I said, I'd just finished the dark , damp cellar, where we would keep her chained to the wall, naked and without any hope.. Crying or Very sad

And she would be expected to service me, my 6 brothers, 2 uncles and a big dog called Rex, daily and twice on Sundays
Confused

Funnily enough, WE haven't broached the subject of money yet, But I think this is what this is building up to.. I went on about the very tight restrictions on entering into Australia for foreign brides and all about the immigration laws, posting bonds, etc.. Then I said there was no worries as I had a rellie who was an immigration official..

then I threw her completely and asked if she loved me so much, Why she hadn't sent me her Mum's e-mail address.. which was a nice finishing touch.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:41 am

Well quick as a flash it's back with a reply, No talk of cellars, chains or anything else.. which was a bit of a disappointment

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well... what can i say? I really hope that you are not lying to me how could I possibly do that and that you are looking for the same as I do! ok, I will through away all the doubts and I will never touch upon this again, darling. your word is enough for me. I trust you on the whole. honey, shame I don't reciprocate do you know that you are the best man in the world? yes I did know that the women in your country must be blind or absolutely silly to let you search for love in the internet!!!!

I have a couple of X's who don't seem to think the way she does. Still they where never bloody wrong about anything. Then it goes on and on about nothing, then we get this little gem,,

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I want to ask you for your home adress. I want to send you a letter with my photo for you and a present to keep it everywhere. and when you recieve the letter you simply tell me what i wrote and I will completely trust you! and also my postal adress, it is

Russia, 420044 (zip or postal code)

Kazan

Volgogradskaya 22

auser's box 157

(Sokolova Tatyana)

Dunno why she wrote the address up side down, still it's the thought that count's, But she's good. I was told she was a bit tricky,

Perhaps she wants me to just send cash, and cut out good old Western Onion, Now there's a thought, they might all do it from now on. In which case there's going to be a hell of a lot of letters going missing.

But that's the advantage of living in a small, ur very small , little, tiny hamlet. where the local post office has 12 mail box's and 5 off-um are unused. When we had the last elections the local paper didn't even list our polling station. If the cops come up here, they have to get directions first.

So I can give it a postal address, without any worries, unless it intends to send me a letter bomb, and that will take at least three weeks to get here, It could be even longer. All I have to do is tip of the sheila in the shop. And even before I get the "letter" she will want the stamps.. it's a bit like having my own personal "Drop Box"

Unfortunately it's ignored my request for Mum's e-mail, That's if the old chooks got one, and this just about sums up it's little thoughts NOT

Quote:

this is sad, but I have nothing to do but to wish you have nice day and to send you my passionate kiss which i hope to get back in return from your side in the next letter, which I am waiting for immensely!

I am thinking of you all the time,

bye-bye for now,

YOUR lovely Tatyana

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:06 am

Well I've neglected it for a few days, Do it good, blamed all the long hours I've NOT had to work over the Christmas rush,

But it was rattling on about Russian Authors, and all that sort of thing,, Asked if I read any "Pushkin" went right off over
Evgeniy Oneguin.. And was I aware of the social implications , Well being a well read little baiter, I simply had to agree, But interestingly enough, to step up to the mark,, Like one does, on these occasions I googled Pushkin's "Evgeniy Oneguin"
and there it was.. The hussy's self-same script. Word for word, But here's the interesting bit, a completely different set of photo's , I went back through my e-mails, and I've got one more to go from it, This next one, we are going to discuss , me sending her a copy of my driving licence and my passport. Forewarned is forearmed. I of cause will want a copy of her Medicinal qualifications when she became a Doctor.
Interesting times ahead. but still no hint of wanting cash, And while it's madly in love with me, no talk of a visit. It's still going to send me some info, via snail mail. So we will see what we will see.

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The Russians are definitely smarter than the Nigerians without a doubt. One had almost convinced me she was a real person then came the cash request. She played it out over about three weeks though...

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:34 am

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The Russians are definitely smarter than the Nigerians without a doubt. One had almost convinced me she was a real person then came the cash request. She played it out over about three weeks though...

Three weeks is nothing for a Russian, If I can't keep then going for 3 months I don't consider it a bait.. I've had one going now for 5 months, and it's still not asked for money, Simply because you need to learn what makes them tic, and keep changing the subject.
Getting then to send pictures is easy, getting them to take there cloths of is a bit harder, But quite possible.

I've got one, who by the way is a woman, who writes to me using the postal service. I have set-up a nice safe "drop box" she's a new'ee only been going a couple of months.
The sheila at the post office knows what's going on, and gets paid for her trouble with Russian stamps. Perfect. Wink

That's the little red head above, the one with te nice mum.
She's madly in love with me and dreams about me, If she really knew me , she would be having nightmares. but who am I to burst her little bubble.

Then there's little Ludwinka, who e-mails my male character, and reports about her bi-sexual girlfriend, and what they talk about. the only trouble with that is I'm also the bi-sexual girl friend and she tells me what her male friend [my first character] talks about. That took considerable work to set-up. And as money corrupts everything we don't talk about it. Wink

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:36 am

Just a short up-date it's been running now for 6 weeks , with 17 e-mails, which is not a great number, But I make them wait a couple of day's before replying.

Where in deep discussion about there Russian winter at the moment,

Quote:

It is getting colder in my area and today it is minus 25 degrees. Have you ever experienced the temperatures like that? yes, just before I filed the divorce papers My honey, I am sitting here near the window and the patterns on it remind me of you.

Still no talk about money, and when she does, Plan B, I'll simply rattle on about her mother. Sweet.

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:59 am

Just dragged this thread out of the past, It would seem WE are coming on a trip. This romance has been churning along for a few months, It's off script, most of the time, but today , this arrived.

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As for my trip,has she fallen down the stairs i have already started doing a visa and an international passport, i have paid for it already, well there's a revelation now i will have to pay for a ticket $1771.and very reasonable it is too and insuarance list, but for the insuarance i will pay soon cause i will be a bel to get a part of my salary soon, as for a ticket, i send you the information about the dates and ticket, but i am not sure that i will be able to pay for it because it is too expensive for me, well there's a serprise because of a crisis, euro and dollar grow and the ruble is very cheap.

Trip fare: 470 Euro. (+ airport taxes) adt.

Total: 1 adt. ticket(s) x (470 Euro . + 444 Euro.) = 914 Euro. (including taxes)

Trip segment: Moscow (MOW) -> Sydney (SYD)

Airline: Air China Flight: CA910

Depart: 10 March 2009, 18:35, Sheremetyevo Arpt
Arrive: 11 March 2009, 07:00, Beijing Capital Arpt

Seats: Economy class

<<<<-- connection Beijing (BJS) -->>>>

Airline: Air China Flight: CA173
Depart: 11 March 2009, 15:15, Beijing Capital Arpt
Arrive: 12 March 2009, 06:15, Sydney Kingsford Smith Arpt

Seats: Economy class
Travel time: 27 h. 40 m.
Trip segment: Sydney (SYD) -> Moscow (MOW)

Airline: Air China Flight: CA174

Depart: 24 March 2009, 21:00, Sydney Kingsford Smith Arpt
Arrive: 25 March 2009, 05:40, Beijing Capital Arpt

Seats: Economy class

<<<<-- connection Beijing (BJS) -->>>>

Airline: Air China Flight: CA909

Depart: 25 March 2009, 13:15, Beijing Capital Arpt
Arrive: 25 March 2009, 16:25, Sheremetyevo Arpt

Seats: Economy class she gets to sit on the floor

Travel time: 27 h. 25 m.

Shit, it's only staying for 10 days. hardly seems worth it. That's like getting a packet of chocolate biccies and being told to only nibble on them.

But for some strange reason, it won't ask for money, It's waiting for me to offer, and that's not about to happen any time soon.

I'd better reply and tell it just how disappointed I am, that it's only coming for 10 days. [wipes tears of keyboard Crying or Very sad

] When we could have such a wonderful time. I might get it to arrive a bit later, when the Potato crops due for harvest, Then it can earn a few bob, Now there's an idea. Wink

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