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lotta
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@twin does the cc information match the buyer's info? If not, these could very well be stolen cards. If you don't have access to this information, it may be a good idea to contact paypal to verify this for you.

Also please log into your paypal account and verify that the money is there. Lads are very good at spoofing paypal payment pages.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok so I just traced the ip address from the email I got from the guy whose package we shipped to Switzerland. Shocking - he's from Indonesia.

This whole thing is really puzzling.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ And he's the guy who emailed you originally?

Something is obviously up if the shipping address doesn't match. You might want to check it out with the cc company.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Delivered-To:
Received: by 10.114.80.18 with SMTP id d18cs2395wab;
Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.100.210.9 with SMTP id i9mr4864754ang.0.1207411438953;
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Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.42])
by mx.google.com with SMTP id 30si13222969wfd.19.2008.04.05.09.03.52;
Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 98.136.44.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.136.44.42;
DomainKey-Status: good (test mode)
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of [email protected] designates 98.136.44.42 as permitted sender) [email protected]; domainkeys=pass (test mode) [email protected]
Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n78.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 16:03:52 -0000
Received: from [69.147.65.162] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 16:03:52 -0000
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:03:46 +0100 (BST)
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Subject:
To:
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lotta
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

yes, it is Indonesia.
Quote:

IP address: 125.164.224.106
Country (per IP registrar): ID [Indonesia]
Country Currency: IDR [Indonesia Rupiahs]
Country IP Range: 125.160.0.0 to 125.167.255.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Jakarta, Jakarta Raya
Country (per outside source): ID [Indonesia]


Again, my recommendation is to check that the credit cards used, matches this person doing the buying. My guess is that they are stolen cards or he is spoofing papal payment reciepts.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

twin85 wrote:
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 2105184906
Billing Address
First Name raden
Last Name prengki
Company
Address malangbareng raya 2C 417
City jawatimur
State ktamalang
Postal Code 65145
Country Indonesia


I wouldn't send there. Jawa Timur is not a city, it's a province. Surabaya is its capital. The address was made up.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, the guy emailed me again this morning:

Ok Parker, this is my shipping address :

Purnayudha IV # 153
magettan jatimur
63300
Australia

i've been waiting for your next notification.
___________

I checked his IP address again and it comes back to Jakarta Indonesia again. I just don't get the scam here? This address doesnt even make sense, we have this persons money, unless they are just trying to mess with us. But seems pretty extreme.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am going to post the addresses of the 4 orders to see what you guys can make of it:

Shipping Fee : $32.00
Item Total : $230.00

Total Amount Due : $262.00
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 2105184906
Billing Address
First Name raden
Last Name prengki
Company
Address malangbareng raya 2C 417
City jawatimur
State ktamalang
Postal Code 65145
Country Indonesia
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Shipping Fee : $13.50
Item Total : $120.00

Total Amount Due : $133.50
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 2105184906
Billing Address
First Name raden
Last Name prengki
Company
Address malangbareng raya 2C 417
City jawatimur
State ktamalang
Postal Code 65145
Country United States

_______________

Shipping Fee : $32.00
Item Total : $200.00

Total Amount Due : $232.00
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 4519585404
Billing Address
First Name rendya
Last Name vinanda
Company
Address 615 mbarengen tenes 4A
City city of arema
State jtm
Postal Code 65227
Country Hong Kong

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Shipping Fee : $32.00
Item Total : $110.00

Total Amount Due : $142.00
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 61351884662
Billing Address
First Name brur
Last Name tantowi
Company
Address purnayudha IV #153
City magetan
State jtm
Postal Code 63310
Country Australia

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Shipping Fee : $32.00
Item Total : $160.00

Total Amount Due : $192.00
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 4151600215
Billing Address
First Name frengky
Last Name hickman
Company
Address 418 bareng raya 2C
City aremania
State jtm
Postal Code 65115
Country Switzerland

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Shipping Fee : $13.50
Item Total : $120.00

Total Amount Due : $133.50
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 41351875662
Billing Address
First Name reyn
Last Name dangtowi
Company bendubening 57
Address jln bendbenine 57
City malang
State jtm
Postal Code 65135
Country United States

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Shipping Fee : $32.00
Item Total : $120.00

Total Amount Due : $152.00
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 41341566844
Billing Address
First Name adetya
Last Name dangtowi
Company jatimur id
Address jlan simpgading 032
City malang
State jtm
Postal Code 65135
Country Switzerland
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lotta
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote:
Contact Info
E-mail Address [email protected]
Phone Number 2105184906



the phone number is for Indonesia. You need to add +62 (for the country code)

Quote:
Number billable as geographic number
Country or destination Indonesia
City or exchange location Jakarta

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Is there a problem if the US Customs Office has a small game with these(this) lad(s)?
Twin ? Lotta?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ha they are all yours!

So, the second guy on the list emailed me this morning. Bad news....his IP address is not the same as the first guy. But SHOCKINGLY he is also from Jakarta, Indonesia,



hello,

thanks for your attention.
my shiping address is :

malangbareng raya 2C 417
jawa timur
65145
malang
indonesia

Please immediately in shipped.
thanks.

sincerely,
raden prengki

and also his email is: kontol njengat <[email protected]>
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So he used another computer to do that, no biggy.
I'll have to wait for Lotta, found two online that are selling international. One is a warehouse and the other one Socal, I can make both fit the same prescription so I don't need to know Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not 100 percent following what you mean.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yep, I read it and thought the same Embarassed

You get an IP# where you enter the internet, so a different number but still from Indonesia is they same guys from another connection.

I found two websites that sell boards internationally if yours looks just like it I can use the general idea to bug our lad. ( I don't want to know any Real Life info of you or the shop)

Lotta pulls a lot of strings and I don't want to get caught in that web

Better so ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

yep better Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's another random thought. Any chance he intends to ask for a refund at some point? My guess is that would have happened by now, but it might be a possibility.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So, I am three seconds from just giving up. But, I have one last hypothesis...

Now that I have gotten 3 emails from these guys and they all are from Jakarta, Indonesia. I think that they are using stolen credit cards and that they think we will ship the boards to these wrong countries and someone will look up all the info and realize that they are actually meant for Indonesia and forward the packages there.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ and then they start selling them there? It's frustrating, but I'm afraid you're going to loose money over this. The first order for Swiss was returned, did they complain? or do they like to loose money that way?
Did you write them?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I wrote him and told him his order got sent back. so he said he would repay the 50 dollar shipping and I could ship to his brothers house:

ok..i give you my new shipping address ( my brother address home ) :

Name : EDDO DANGCAKEP
Address : jln. siguragur abarat # 29
City : malang
State : Jatim ID
Zip Code : 65155
Switzerland

And i agree with the additonal charge for re send my order.

The address is obv for indonesia.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Strange, did he pay the 50$ alright.
How about waiting a week without shipping and tell him it was returned Wink It's definitely not a normal customer, but where is the profit for him in this. And what is his goal with Switzerland?
If you are sure that you get paid, there is no reason to refuse him anything, but it sure is strange.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If you're convinced he is a scammer, go for it Bill. I'm just not 100% convinced as twin is not responding to my posts regarding the cc's used in the transactions.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'll sit back and shuffle my cards while twin gets ready to do so then, I don't get it, so I have to wait till I understand the why

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok, so I wrote him back this:

Why don't you just do us a favor and tell us what the scam is here?
We obviously know your IP address is for Jakarta, Indonesia and we
obviously know you are the one who has placed all those orders. So.
honestly why are you having us ship boards to Switzerland if you are
in Indonesia?

and he wrote me back this:

ok. please cancel this order. i'm sorry

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So I guess thats one down, just need to figure out the rest.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Now just wait till he asks his money back, then he has some explaining to do Wink

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