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 Morris Mantu, the tough Mugu.

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kenny
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Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 104
Location: Berlin


PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, I guess some of the mugus are just too lazy to take pics Rolling Eyes
I tried to do this honesty thing, well it was rather *reality*. I tried to act like a real victim (that's crazy after a pic) - and failed Mad

I recieved a standard mugu-barrister letter, nothing special to mention. My reply was the following:


Dear Sir,
Thank you vey much for your email. I am indeed very interested in your offer. I am sure you understand, that as a businessman another lucrative opportunity is always welcome.
However, in today's modern society, which is controlled and determined by the power of computers and human intelligence, a lot of fraud and dishonesty appears to exist, especially in such a ressource as the World Wide Web - the Internet.
My point is, that I cannot just trust someone who emails me. Therefore, if you are really serious with your proposal, I do need proove, evidence.
Of course you could send me you passport or ID card, but as a graphics design expert, I know how very easy to fake they are. So, what I request from you is a photo of you holding a sign with a random codeword on it. At the moment I am reading a book by the Italian author Leandro Oteri, so let us set "Leandro Oteri STINKT" as our own top secret parole. Do not tell this codeword to anyone else, so it remains strictly confidential between the both of us.
If I appear rude to you, then I am very sorry - it is not my intention. But, you must understand how serious I am - and I must understand how serious you are. I will proove my identity in any way you wish, if you like.

I am very looking forward to your reply.

Sincerely,
Aigod M. Screwt

GRACED - Modeling Agency - Paris/Berlin/London

I actually did hope he will fall for that. This is the reply:

DEAR SCREWT,
COMPLEMENTS OF THE DAY AND HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
I GOT YOUR MAIL AND ALL YOU SAID WAS UNDERSTOOD OK,IT IS TRUE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BUT WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING IS TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT IS STRICKLY OUT OF MY PROFESSIONAL ETHICS OK.
I SUGGEST YOU CALL ME IMMEDIATELY ON MY PRIVATE CELL PHONE NUMBER 0039 3383048402 OR YOU FORWARD YOUR PHONE NUMBER SO I CONTACT YOU AND WE CAN TALK ON THE PHONE INSTEAD OF WRITING MAILS OK.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY AND I WILL WANT US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SHOULD YOU FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTION AND DIRECTIVES WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS TRANSACTION IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS OK.
I WILL BE EXPECTING YOUR VERY URGENT REPLY TO THIS MAIL.
THANKS AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
REGARDS
MORRIS MANTU.

Argh! STRICKLY my ass. A real victim would just.... freak out, so did I.

Dear Mr. Mantu,
Well, I do understand that what I request is not a very common thing, but I am very serious with my business. Usually I meet up with my partners in private and discuss the matter throroughly.
I will not call anyone of whom I am not assured. Your number is an italian one; do you know how much it costs to call to Italy? I do not mind the money, it's just a matter of fact that no business man will ask another to call someone without knowing what is going on.
If taking a picture is "TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE" because it is "STRICKLY OUT OF MY PROFESSIONAL ETHICS OK", then I doubt you are a professional at all. What is wrong about taking a picture? This is a riddle to me.
Mr. Mantu, if you wish I will be even ready to pay you for shooting that photo, but without a verification of identity it is impossible to proceed for me.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely
A. Screwt

I like the OK at the end of his quote. I love mugus saying OK at the end of a sentence.

DEAR SCREWT,

COMPLEMENTS OF THE DAY AND HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

YOUR MAIL WAS RECEIEVED AND IF YOU NEED ANY FORM OF IDENTIFICATION,I WILL FORWARD TO YOU LATER MY I.D CARD OK.

FOR SECURITY REASONS THAT IS THE FAR I CAN GO AS FOR MY IDENTITY OK,I STILL WANT YOU TO FORWARD TO ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN REACH YOU OK.

I WILL BE EXPECTING YOUR URGENT REPLY.

THANKS AND HAVE A NICE DAY.

REGARDS

MORRIS MANTU.

Freak out *again*!!! I can't believe after I explained to him, why I don't want to have ID cards he still intends to send me one.

Dear Mr. Mantu!
You don't seem to understand nor to read my mails. I said I do NOT accept ID-cards as a verification, as I know how easy to fake they are. If you do not wish to do what I require then look for someone else. I am a rich businessman, and I only got that rich because I always was careful. If you think that shooting a photo is too much compared to the huge amount I can offer you, go ahead, look for someone else, but I doubt you will ever find someone with as much business knowledge as I have.

Sincerely
A. Screwt


No reply since then. I mean, really, who is dumb enough to actually get tricked by mugus like him? He is so lazy, it's beyond rational belief. I suppose he has been burnt a lot of times before... Rolling Eyes

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chrisd234
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Joined: 03 May 2004
Posts: 1007
Location: NL


PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A letter ive found that works is this one:

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Dear XXXXX,

Thank you for your email, and I feel sorry for your plight. I may be able to help you but first I must be 100% assured of your honesty and identity. I am a multimillionaire sleeping bed maker. I own my own company, and I NEVER enter into any business deal without cast iron security and confidence in my partners. If you are able to prove your identity and honesty to me in a 100% reliable way then I will be happy to help you.

Unfortunately sir, we may have a problem. The way I like to have proof of identity of my business partners is to meet with them. Unfortunately this will be impossible for the next couple of weeks as I have urgent business that needs attending to. I am in delicate negotiations to start another office in Singapore, and so flying out to meet with you is not an option at the moment.

I am afraid a passport or personal ID will not be suitable as I know that such things are easily forged. Here is my suggestion that could lead to a quick and profitable solution. Would you agree to have your picture taken holding my company logo? If you are able to send me a photograph of yourself holding my company logo then this would be irrefutable proof that the person in the photograph is you.

Please signal your agreement to this proposition and I will forward the relevant logo/information to you.

Mr. Duncan

Duncan Mattress Makers
"Sleep on your back, or I will!"


This of course is 100% stolen from shiver. From the bait in which he nabbed 40 something dollars from a scammer.

This letter has about a 45% response back rate, if they do its usually "Please send me the logo" or something similar. Just change up the company and logo etc.

It works great for pictures, I dont even read most mugu's first mails, i just forward them that mail and wait.

*all credit to shiver for a great letter*

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and please stop sending me mails u send over 4,000 mail to one mail box just on saturday u most be very job less

YOU MUST BE VERY STUPID FOR YOUR MAILS TO ME.I DON,T BEG FOR MY RIGHT.I ADVISE YOU DESIST FROM REPLING THIS MAIL.WHAT DO U MEAN BY I SHOULD FEEL FREE TO PASS MY DETAILS ALONG TO WHOEVER NEEDS THEM,ARE U GOD,U BASTERD.

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tritium
419Eater is my life


Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Posts: 253
Location: Toronto, Canada


PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Slap him. Tell him you suspect something, because a proper businessman engaged in proper business should have nothing to hide. His evasiveness is a cause for concern and as such you refuse to do business with him unless he proves his identity with a picture (of course, according to the standards YOU set).

If he twigs, no big deal. You've only spent time sending two emails, and there are plenty of fish in the sea.

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The Modest Mugu: "My dear,You are making me to fall laughter any time any day.Your words concerning black mens pennis,I dont really know.but people arround the world says that black man pennis is big.Anyway,I have not seen white mens pennis but to my own understanding it is the same God that created us all."

A Scared Lad: "his me nog peter i think some one have just hack my box and is nname is usman bello..."
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kenny
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Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 104
Location: Berlin


PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

thx for the replys....
i think he doesn't want to deal with me anymore. I know i didn't spend much time on him, those two letters were out of my "prepared mails for every situation in 419 scamming" - archive, so i didn't even write them, i just changed them a bit.
I just wanted to demonstrate that mugus back off when you start being realistic - that's good. A real victim would not just proceed.

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tritium
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

kenny wrote:
I just wanted to demonstrate that mugus back off when you start being realistic - that's good. A real victim would not just proceed.


Excellent. When we can make them so paranoid that they get suspicious even of normal and totally reasonable requests, then we've made it that much harder for them to succeed.

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The Modest Mugu: "My dear,You are making me to fall laughter any time any day.Your words concerning black mens pennis,I dont really know.but people arround the world says that black man pennis is big.Anyway,I have not seen white mens pennis but to my own understanding it is the same God that created us all."

A Scared Lad: "his me nog peter i think some one have just hack my box and is nname is usman bello..."
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