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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

hey this guy has no idea.
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They are made into criminals by their circumstances.


I live in South Africa, lots of poor ppl here. Lots of ppl here who live in really shit conditions and do not turn to crime. Crime is the soft option, not the only option.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You claim that you are being exploited because you are working as a junior doctor in Britain. As a former civil servant who specialised in training and recruitment of medical students, I could give myriad examples of why that statement is patently false and full of shit.

I too can give examples of hardship, growing up in a community screwed over by Thatcherism. I am a decent and honest person who will go out of his way to help because I care about people.

If you want to quote history. The slave trade could not have operated without slave traders from Africa preying on their own people. What about the slave trade in white prisoners of the Barbary Coast pirates in North Africa and the Middle East?

You insult Bob Marley by using him to justify criminals stealing from the poor, vulnerable and generous by lies, deceit and cold calculation. If Christianity meant anything to you, you would be condemning the lads for their evil. The scammers claim to be criminal, if there was a Christian God, then surely these criminals would burn in hell.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Segun

how is it that you, who have come from the same circumstances, have become a dr, to help people, and cure illness, yet others from the same circumstances prey on people?

Like said above, it is the choices that you have made.

The pictures, etc... while being humiliating serve 2 purposes.

1 The are amusing. Yes, I know it's cruel, but they are funny (who doesn't crack up when they see a guy with a loaf of bread on his head???), and that is part of the point. People are more likely to look at a site with funny things on, and learn the dangers of this crime, and can tell their family and friends. it is a way to combat this crime by educating people. which if you do not condone criminals then you may understand.

2 It wastes peoples time and money. If it can be made so unprofitable to scam people, or so humiliating, then that person may stop. And if they don't then it's an hour or 2 of their time that they will not spend on trapping further victims.

Altho we welcome Drs from other nations, we do have a lot of home grown ones, so I don't think you leaving the UK is really likely to cause the lack of dr.s u describe. The NHS is shite tho, so sorry mate, we work our dr.s to the bone, but be glad you aren't a nurse. it is much worse for them. even less money, no respect, and lots of poo

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

segun wrote:
All my fellow students are being exploited, black, white, male and female. Most of my colleagues are not from the UK, they come from all over the world. I am not interested in the money, I have enough...


So they prefer to be "exploited" in the UK rather than their own countries? Or is it down to the fact that here we have one of the most tolerant societies and one of the most progressive health care services, despite its faults, in the whole wide world.

If I were you, I would stick to your hypocritical oath and leave the serious shit shovelling to others here.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You said:
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You are stereotyping people


Then you said:
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nobody is born a criminal. They are made into criminals by their circumstances.


YOU are stereotyping poor people as criminals.

Wayward kids around here get smartass lawyers to come out with bullshit like that to get them off court charges.


When you go home say hello to Professor Soludo in the internet cafe for me. Apprently he's very other person in there. But hey, its not his fault. His circumstances made him like that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Segun and welcome to 419eater. You are not the only Nigerian here! That said, you really do need to do a little more research before condemning us. Might I suggest you read this thread http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32877 before making facile comments.

I grew up in Nigeria and was present during the independence celebrations back in 1960. I met people like Zik and Chief Awolowo who I am certain are spinning in their graves as they see how your fellow countrymen have ruined a once beautiful country with huge natural resources.

Yes the attitude here is distressing, but unfortunately, the attitude of the members of this forum is based on experience and knowledge.

As the proverb goes "Rather than tell a lie to help a friend, it is better to assist him in paying the fine for his offense."

It is up to people like you to persuade the political class that they need to stamp out these people in order for Nigeria to regain its rightful place in the world.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to our forums, segun!

segun wrote:
I think that humiliating them is more about satisfying your own egotism and narcissism than any real sense of public duty.

Just as you ask us (quite rightly!) not to assume all Nigerians are criminals, please do not assume that all members of these forums bait scammers for the same reasons. In many cases, including my own, the motive is very much one of public duty.

When I first joined 419eater, I enjoyed the challenge of pitting my wits against scammers and trying for trophies. That lasted about one month, because I realised that there are far more effective ways to combat scammers. For the other 22 months of my "career" I have tried to:
    - file abuse reports with ISPs to close down websites set up by scammers
    - co-operate with law enforcement to have scammers arrested and/or deported
    - educate the public about the problem of Advance Fee Fraud ("419 fraud")
    - offer support and advice to victims of fraud
    - encourage other scam-baiters to actively engage in the above activities
There is no fun in any of these activities, but there is a lot of satisfaction. They are very effective ways of addressing the root of the problem, namely the presence of criminals in our societies.

segun wrote:
If you do not understand these circumstances and only take the outcome at face value then you are burying your head in the sand. You want to treat the symptoms instead of the root of the problem.

If by "symptoms" you mean the many fraud victims who face criminal charges, financial ruin and domestic turmoil because they fell for a scam, then I must plead guilty to wanting to treat those symptoms.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh dear Rolling Eyes

segun wrote:
Please remember the words of Bob Marley, "a hungry man is an angry man". The poor people of Africa are hungry and they have been exploited, abused and had their land and possessions taken away by westerners. Please do not blame them too much for this crime that only targets the greedy. It is not their fault that they are starving.


Excuse me, are you living on the moon? Do you really think that the scammers are following a humanitarian driven motivation to help their country by scamming? How pathetic is that?

And as the others said, do your research first before you make wild accusations, I suggest to read the ethics.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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I am not interested in the money, I have enough


So, you have enough money, yet you say you are being exploited. How does that work exactly?

My wife works in the NHS. She probably does as many hours as you, including nights, weekends & on call work for a hell of a lot less money than you.

As an MBChB I'm guessing you studied at one of 9 possible UK universities. I'd be interested to know how you funded your studies? I have 2 daughters. The eldest would have loved to have gone to university. Unfortunately, as ordinary working folks the state deem it uneccessary to assist financially with her further education & we couldn't afford the course fees, books, residential costs & general cost of living for her. So, she now holds down a full time job & starts studying in October with the Open University. As well as being employed for 40 hours per week, pretty much every evening & most weekends will be taken up with studying.

Do you have much of a social life Segun?

My youngest will be University age in around 2 years. Sadly, we're unlikely to be in any better financial position. Perhaps you would like to furnish me with an email address, so I can get her to email you & see if you could help with the cost of her education?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Segun I have a problem
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I already have a degree in medicine, MBChB, but I want to specialise.

Presumably your degree was obtained in Nigeria and you are working in a UK hospital as a doctor under supervision having passed the PLAB test and received Limited Registration.

If so why can I not find you on the GMC List? http://webcache.gmc-uk.org/ods/home.do

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Maybe he went to "Evil Medical School"? That's where I went.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can I be segun's mentor?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yea, just try not to exploit him.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sane people know the difference between right and wrong and make a choice.
Any other justification you use to condone their activities is just mamby-pamby bullshit.
Go hug a tree or something.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Let me get this straight....this supposedly educated "doctor", as he refers to himself....wants this group to have some sympathy for criminals????

Please "Doctor" Segun.....what is the magic cure you're selling for nonstop hysterical laughing???? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Segun,

When I said that Nigeria meeded more people like you, I meant people with a positive outlook and a desire to help others.

I did not say that Nigeria needed excuses for the behavious of its criminal elements, or an apologia for the corruption that 419ers represent. Unfortunately, that's what you are providing, and that is a foolish exercise.

Ultimately, Nigeria has to take responsibility for itself. We can't transform its culture - that has to come from within.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Segun Oshodi ????

Segun - seems to be a first name, but not common

Oshodi - is a town (gov't area) of Lagos in Nigeria

http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/Local_govt/Local_govt9.2.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

segun wrote:
What you do not seem to understand is that nobody is born a criminal. They are made into criminals by their circumstances.


That's not true at all. No child has ever had to be taught how to lie or steal. An honest person grows up and realizes that it is wrong to lie and steal. A criminal never brings himself to that conclusion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Actually there are 4 Oshodi's on the UK Medical Register
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6143599 Marek Adegbola Oshodi Male Registered 1991
0604978 Mustafa Akanni Oshodi Male Registered 1967
0604985 Razak Olaribigbe Oshodi Male Not registered - administrative reason 1958
3643174 Taohid Oladele Oshodi Male Registered 1983
Please Note: The absence of a record does not necessarily mean the doctor is not registered.


However I like this story http://lama-lisco.tripod.com/lifecompanionintlorg/id3.html Here is an extract
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A LIGHT IN THE TUNNEL: Sometime in July 2001, Segun was laying under the bridge in the busy Oshodi market in Lagos Nigeria. His posture presented a pathetic sight. Sympathetic and kind hearted passersby stopped to drop few notes on his plate beside him. The Resident Controller of the Life Companion International was drawn to the scene. He saw Segun, approached him and tapped him on his shoulder. Those who saw him wondered what he was up to. However, when Segun woke up and confronted the scene, he wondered whether the long awaited succour has come. And indeed, his long time of waiting was gradually coming to an end.
It is worth reading the whole story as it shows that not all Nigerians are Scammers

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

segun wrote:
They are made into criminals by their circumstances.

Everyone else has beaten me to it, but that is total and utter bullshit and you know it!

I am sick and tied of complete jerks who come in here for whatever reason, briefly glance at one or two posts or pictures in the trophy room, and then throw their hands up in the air in some kind of self-induced and ill informed horror and then have the unmitigated gall to spout forth such rediculous diarrhea.

The willful blinkered and totally ignorant conclusions of these people is completely beyond my comprehension.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

why dont you do a little experiment segun. bait any lad for a while and when you burn them, ask why they do it and if they have made any effort to get a/concentrate on theyre real job. you will probably get something along the line of "you westerners robbed us blah blah blah..." and when theyve had their little rant, tell them your real nationality and occupation. will their tune change? who knows! not knowing is half the fun.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Am I the only person person that suspects Segun is really just a scammer trying to justify himself and not a doctor standing up for the rights of Nigerians?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ No, I also am led to believe that. If he were truly a doctor in training, when would he be able to find time to post on a message board!

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What was he looking for on Google that would lead him here?
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