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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So this is about an advertisment in the spanish site anuntis.com about a Digital camera D2X from Nikon. It was of course faaar to cheap.

The seller wanted me to pay to the Western Union to his name and address long before the shipment here in Barcelona arrived. In the receipt from the UPS he tried to hide the tracking number but it was very poorely done. Just zooming in the image it got perfectly visible.

So I could see that there was a shipment but the packet was too heavy for the camera plus it was in state "exception" which mean it is stalled basically.

I actually used the blurred western union ticket from the Dennis, John case funny enough!!!

Here it goes:
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tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 11:06
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello,

I made the shipping and here you have the scanned paper from UPS and also my full name and address. Please go to Western Union and send me also today the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation so you can receive the package and close this first deal.

Thank you and I wait your reply.

Tom Aven

98 Marylebone
London EC1R3ER
United Kingdom


Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok,

My address:
<removed>
Cheers,

Mattias

2006/7/18, tom aven :
>
> Hello,
>
> You can make the payment don't worry, but you will must go with the money
> to a Western Union agencie. Please send me your full name and address so I
> can start the shipping. I know you will pay when you will make the wire to
> Western Union,you will send me 1550 euro, 50 euro you will use to pay the
> taxes to Western Union. I wait your reply.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Mattias Barthel wrote:
>
> It is only possible to send 999pounds per 30 with western union website:
> You have entered an amount that exceeded the maximum transaction limit
> of GB £999.99
>
> The maximum initial send amount for a money transfer is £500.00 or
> £999.99 per 30 days depending on your transaction history with
> westernunion.co.uk.
>
> Amount to send : £ 1096.00
> Money transfer fee* : £
> Total estimated amount : £
> Estimated exchange rate 1 United Kingdom Pound =
>
>
> What now?
>
>
>
>
> 2006/7/18, tom aven :
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I told you,I will make first the shipping .You will go to make the payment
> > to Western Union after I will send you the scanned paper from UPS with the
> > shipping confirmation. Also,you will receive a money transfer control
> number
> > when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you
> > will receive and try the camera.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> >
> > I dont understand, in the advert it said that the camera was in San
> > Cugat, Barcelona?
> >
> > Do you want me to pay first and then you will send the camera?
> > I dont think so.
> > Normally when you buy things from particulars, you pay to the
> > post-office when the item arrived already. Or, you pay directly in the
> > hand which I would have preferred.
> >
> > Waiting for more input.
> >
> > Mattias
> >
> > 2006/7/18, tom aven :
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > The camera will be send by London UK, and also the payment will be made
> > > there. After I will make the the shipping I will reply you with the
> > scanned
> > > paper from UPS,and also my full name and address so you can go to
> Western
> > > Union and make the payment,also the shipping cost is included in the
> > > price.By the way please send me your full name and address for the
> > shipping.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > >
> > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > Can we please take this in english?
> > > I am swedish. Sometimes theese automatic translaters mess up more than
> > help.
> > > Can you please explain the procedure in english?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Mattias
> > >
> > > 2006/7/18, tom aven :
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hola,
> > > >
> > > > La cámara será envía de Londres Reino Unido, y también el pago será
> > hecho
> > > > allí, después de que haga el envío que le contestaré con el papel
> > > explorado
> > > > de la UPS y también de mi nombre y dirección así que usted puede ir a
> > > > Western Union y hacer el pago para la cámara,también el coste del
> envío
> > se
> > > > incluye en el precio.A propósito satisfaga me envían su nombre
> completo
> > y
> > > > dirección para el envío.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gracias
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ya tengo el dinero, donde podemos quedar?
> > > >
> > > > Saludos,
> > > > Mattias
> > > >
> > > > 2006/7/17, Mattias Barthel :
> > > >
> > > > > Si lo tendre esta semana, como comente en un mail anterior.
> > > > > Ya te avisare.
> > > > >
> > > > > Muchas gracvas!
> > > > >
> > > > > Mattias
> > > > >
> > > > > 2006/7/17, tom aven :
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > La camara es nueva está cerrada,por favor dígame si usted tiene el
> > > > dinero
> > > > > > a comprar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gracias,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > Y en que estado esta, por avor?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2006/7/17, tom aven :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hola Mattias,
> > > > > > > Tiene dos años de garantía. Espero su contestación así que puedo
> > > saber
> > > > > > > cuándo usted tendrá el dinero a comprar.
> > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > > Acabo de hablar con mi banco y creo que esta semana ya tendre el
> > > > dinero.
> > > > > > > (Voy a ampliar mi hipoteca)
> > > > > > > Esta camera tambien tiene garantia?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2006/7/16, tom aven :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Le venderé el D2X para 1600 euro, pero por favor me digo si
> > usted
> > > > tiene
> > > > > > > este
> > > > > > > > dinero.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Me gustaria mucho comprar la D2x que pienso es un chollo de
> > > verdad.
> > > > > > > > Es tuya tambien, verdad? Seria un sueno cumplido tenerla!
> > > > > > > > En que estado esta ella?
> > > > > > > > El problema para mi solo es conseguir el dinero...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Creo que puedo hacer una hipoteca.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Garcias,
> > > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2006/7/15, tom aven :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > La camara es nueva está cerrada en su caja original con
> todos
> > > los
> > > > > > > > > accesories originales, también usted recibirá una factura y
> > una
> > > > > > garantía
> > > > > > > > > mundial de la fábrica de 2 años. Si usted decide comprarla,
> > > tomará
> > > > > > > > solamente
> > > > > > > > > 2-3 días hasta nosotros cerrará el reparto.¿Cuánto dinero
> > usted
> > > > desea
> > > > > > > > pagar
> > > > > > > > > para esta cámara?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > En que estado esta?
> > > > > > > > > Se podria bajar el precio un poco?
> > > > > > > > > Nueva vale 1600EUR
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Saludos
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low
> > PC-to-Phone
> > > > call
> > > > > > > > rates.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.
> > > Great
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> > > > > > > > starting at 1¢/min.
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone
> > > call
> > > > > > rates.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.
> Great
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> > > > > > starting at 1¢/min.
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> > > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mattias Barthel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call
> > > rates.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mattias Barthel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Mattias Barthel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates
> > starting at 1¢/min.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mattias Barthel
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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>
>


--
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Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 11:17
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,
I can not see the UPS tracking number on the scabbed ticket.
How do I then know that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 12:48
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello Mattias,

I can't give you the tracking number until you will make the payment, because if the package will be in Spain you can take the package if you know the tracking number. After you will make the payment you will not give me the money transfer control number until you will receive the pacage. After I will see the scanned paper from Western Union I will give you the tracking number. When you will receive the package you will give me the MTCN number and the deal will be off.

Thank you

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,
I can not see the UPS tracking number on the scabbed ticket.
How do I then know that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven :
>
> Hello,
>
> I made the shipping and here you have the scanned paper from UPS and also
> my full name and address. Please go to Western Union and send me also today
> the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation so you
> can receive the package and close this first deal.
>
> Thank you and I wait your reply.
>
> Tom Aven
>
> 98 Marylebone
> London EC1R3ER
> United Kingdom
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 18:02
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello Mattias,

Please tell me what is happening. Do you made the payment to Western Union? I wait your reply.

Thank you.

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,
I can not see the UPS tracking number on the scabbed ticket.
How do I then know that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven :
>
> Hello,
>
> I made the shipping and here you have the scanned paper from UPS and also
> my full name and address. Please go to Western Union and send me also today
> the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation so you
> can receive the package and close this first deal.
>
> Thank you and I wait your reply.
>
> Tom Aven
>
> 98 Marylebone
> London EC1R3ER
> United Kingdom
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 18:52
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,

I wont pay anything until I am sure that the camera arrived and I can see it.
Otherwise, how will I be sure that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 19:44
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>

OK Mattias,then you will make a wire to Western Union to your best friend's name, but on my address here in London UK, so I can call to Western Union and see that you have the money.After you will receive and try the camera you will change the name used as receiver with my name.If you will not make the wire so I can see you have money and you are a honest man I will stop the shipping. I'm sorry about this but I made my part in this deal.Must be two names when you will make the wire to Western Union one as a sender and one as receiver so I can see the transfer.

Thank you


Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,

I wont pay anything until I am sure that the camera arrived and I can see it.
Otherwise, how will I be sure that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven :
>
> Hello Mattias,
>
> Please tell me what is happening. Do you made the payment to Western Union?
> I wait your reply.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 19:51
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,

Whats the rush?

Ok, I will make the payment tomorrow. An I wont let you know the MTCN
number until
the delivery arrives.

Thanks,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 21:04
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
OK Mattias, I will wait tomorrow morning the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation.

Thank you

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,

Whats the rush?

Ok, I will make the payment tomorrow. An I wont let you know the MTCN
number until
the delivery arrives.

Thanks,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven :
>
>
> OK Mattias,then you will make a wire to Western Union to your best friend's
> name, but on my address here in London UK, so I can call to Western Union
> and see that you have the money.After you will receive and try the camera
> you will change the name used as receiver with my name.If you will not make
> the wire so I can see you have money and you are a honest man I will stop
> the shipping. I'm sorry about this but I made my part in this deal.Must be
> two names when you will make the wire to Western Union one as a sender and
> one as receiver so I can see the transfer.
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 09:58
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello and good morning Tom,

Now I just came back from the post-office. I paid 1550EUR as agreed to
a friend of mine in London by the name
of:
Clarke Wilson,
but to your address.

Unfortunately I cant show you the receit they gave me because I dont
own a scanner.

So when the shipment arrives I will change the name of the receiver to yours.
Can you please give me the entire tracking number now?
I hope this will be right and nothing fishy, I took a bankloan for
this you know.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 11:30
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Mattias , Please write me the details of the paper.Sender first name,last name, receiver first name ,last name. Like is on the paper, or please try to find a scanner. So I can call to Western Union and see the transfer.I wait your reply.

Thank you

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello and good morning Tom,

Now I just came back from the post-office. I paid 1550EUR as agreed to
a friend of mine in London by the name
of:
Clarke Wilson,
but to your address.

Unfortunately I cant show you the receit they gave me because I dont
own a scanner.

So when the shipment arrives I will change the name of the receiver to yours.
Can you please give me the entire tracking number now?
I hope this will be right and nothing fishy, I took a bankloan for
this you know.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/19, tom aven :
>
> OK Mattias, I will wait tomorrow morning the scanned paper from Western
> Union with the payment confirmation.
>
>
> Thank you
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 11:33
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Ok,

Senders first name:
Mattias
Senders last name:
Barthel

Receivers first name:
Clarke
Receivers last name:
Wilson

Thank you,

Mattias


2006/7/20, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 12:17
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Mattias, I try to call to Western Union and I can't see the transfer made by your name to this name Clarke Wilson. Please send me the money transfer control number because I can't take the money if I'm not the receiver. After I will see you made the transfer I will send you the tracking number.

Thank you


Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Ok,

Senders first name:
Mattias
Senders last name:
Barthel

Receivers first name:
Clarke
Receivers last name:
Wilson

Thank you,

Mattias


2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Mattias , Please write me the details of the paper.Sender first name,last
> name, receiver first name ,last name. Like is on the paper, or please try to
> find a scanner. So I can call to Western Union and see the transfer.I wait
> your reply.
>
> Thank you
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 12:23
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,

No, that was not part of the deal:
Look what you wrote:
>> Also,you will receive a money transfer control
> >number
> > when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you
> > will receive and try the camera.

As you said yourself I will give you the MTCN number only when the
camera arrives.
It should have arrived already, right? It was sent yesterday with
express UPS. That takes about 1 day UK-Spain.
Something is definitely wrong here. If I dont receive the delivery
today I will stop the moneytransfer.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 12:39
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Yes Mattias, but I can see the transfer , I don't know if you made it. Please try to find a scanner and send me the scanned paper with the MTCN number cover up.
I wait your reply so we can close this first deal.

Thank you

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,

No, that was not part of the deal:
Look what you wrote:
>> Also,you will receive a money transfer control
> >number
> > when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you
> > will receive and try the camera.

As you said yourself I will give you the MTCN number only when the
camera arrives.
It should have arrived already, right? It was sent yesterday with
express UPS. That takes about 1 day UK-Spain.
Something is definitely wrong here. If I dont receive the delivery
today I will stop the moneytransfer.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Mattias, I try to call to Western Union and I can't see the transfer made
> by your name to this name Clarke Wilson. Please send me the money transfer
> control number because I can't take the money if I'm not the receiver. After
> I will see you made the transfer I will send you the tracking number.
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 13:02
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Mattias,I told you, you will receive the camera in 2-3 days. Please send me the scanned paper from Western Union if you made the wire so I can see you are a honest man and you have money.If you want to receive the camera.

Thank you.

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,

No, that was not part of the deal:
Look what you wrote:
>> Also,you will receive a money transfer control
> >number
> > when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you
> > will receive and try the camera.

As you said yourself I will give you the MTCN number only when the
camera arrives.
It should have arrived already, right? It was sent yesterday with
express UPS. That takes about 1 day UK-Spain.
Something is definitely wrong here. If I dont receive the delivery
today I will stop the moneytransfer.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Mattias, I try to call to Western Union and I can't see the transfer made
> by your name to this name Clarke Wilson. Please send me the money transfer
> control number because I can't take the money if I'm not the receiver. After
> I will see you made the transfer I will send you the tracking number.
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]

[Citerad text är dold]
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 13:23
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Tom,
Ok, I will try to go to an Internet cafe here and see if they have a
scanner there.
Please be patient.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven <[email protected]>:
[Citerad text är dold]
--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 14:46
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Ok Mattias,I wait your reply with the scanned paper from Western Union.
Regards,


Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Tom,
Ok, I will try to go to an Internet cafe here and see if they have a
scanner there.
Please be patient.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Mattias,I told you, you will receive the camera in 2-3 days. Please send
> me the scanned paper from Western Union if you made the wire so I can see
> you are a honest man and you have money.If you want to receive the camera.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
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Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 14:57
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,

Luckily they had a scanner there. So now I send you the scanned
receipt from western union.
I have blurred it out a bit so the MTCN number remains invisible.

I await the tracking number.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven <[email protected]>:
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tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 15:17
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Mattias,

Please don't understand me wrong but can you see this paper? Try to open the attachment, because I can't see the paper. I hope you don't joke with me. You can couver up only the MTCN with something. when you scan the paper.Send me again the paper because on this paper I can't see anything.

Thank you

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom,

Luckily they had a scanner there. So now I send you the scanned
receipt from western union.
I have blurred it out a bit so the MTCN number remains invisible.

I await the tracking number.

Thank you,

Mattias

2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Ok Mattias,I wait your reply with the scanned paper from Western Union.
> Regards,
>
>
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> > > > > > > > C/Industria 179 1�2�
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> > > > > > > > > > > > La c�mara ser� env�a de Londres Reino Unido, y tambi�n
> > el
> > > > pago
> > > > > > > ser�
> > > > > > > > > > hecho
> > > > > > > > > > > > all�, despu�s de que haga el env�o que le contestar�
> con
> > > el
> > > > > > papel
> > > > > > > > > > > explorado
> > > > > > > > > > > > de la UPS y tambi�n de mi nombre y direcci�n as� que
> > usted
> > > > > puede
> > > > > > > ir
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > Western Union y hacer el pago para la c�mara,tambi�n
> el
> > > > coste
> > > > > > del
> > > > > > > > > env�o
> > > > > > > > > > se
> > > > > > > > > > > > incluye en el precio.A prop�sito satisfaga me env�an
> su
> > > > nombre
> > > > > > > > > completo
> > > > > > > > > > y
> > > > > > > > > > > > direcci�n para el env�o.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gracias
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ya tengo el dinero, donde podemos quedar?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/7/17, Mattias Barthel :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Si lo tendre esta semana, como comente en un mail
> > > > anterior.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya te avisare.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Muchas gracvas!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/7/17, tom aven :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > La camara es nueva est� cerrada,por favor d�game
> si
> > > > usted
> > > > > > > tiene
> > > > > > > > el
> > > > > > > > > > > > dinero
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a comprar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gracias,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y en que estado esta, por avor?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/7/17, tom aven :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hola Mattias,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tiene dos a�os de garant�a. Espero su
> contestaci�n
> > > as�
> > > > > que
> > > > > > > > puedo
> > > > > > > > > > > saber
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cu�ndo usted tendr� el dinero a comprar.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias Barthel wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vale,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acabo de hablar con mi banco y creo que esta
> > semana
> > > ya
> > > > > > > tendre
> > > > > > > > el
> > > > > > > > > > > > dinero.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Voy a ampliar mi hipoteca)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Esta camera tambien tiene garantia?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mattias
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2006/7/16, tom aven :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hola,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le vender� el D2X para 1600 euro, pero por
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La camara es nueva est� cerrada en su caja
> > > > original
> > > > > > con
> > > > > > > > > todos
> > > > > > > > > > > los
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accesories originales, tambi�n usted
> recibir�
> > > una
> > > > > > > factura
> > > > > > > > y
> > > > > > > > > > una
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > garant�a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mundial de la f�brica de 2 a�os. Si usted
> > decide
> > > > > > > > comprarla,
> > > > > > > > > > > tomar�
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solamente
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2-3 d�as hasta nosotros cerrar� el
> > > reparto.�Cu�nto
> > > > > > > dinero
> > > > > > > > > > usted
> > > > > > > > > > > > desea
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pagar
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > para esta c�mara?
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Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 17:02
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom or whatever the hell your real name is,

Look, it has been kind of entertaining while this lasted but you will
never scam me of my hard earned money, you maggot.
I think this time you spent got you off from trying to lure some more
gullable victims.
Get a decent job instead of trying to scam innocent hard working people.
You are really lousey at it, by the way. Your scam is an insult to
human intelligence.
It has more holes than a fishnet, hahahaha!!!!

Fuck you very much,

Ps. do you sell any D2Xs?

Mattias


2006/7/20, tom aven <[email protected]>:
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--
Mattias Barthel
tom aven <[email protected]> den 20 juli 2006 17:16
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Fuck you mother facker !!! I will fuck your mother in the ASS so can come one like you ,smart one.

Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Tom or whatever the hell your real name is,

Look, it has been kind of entertaining while this lasted but you will
never scam me of my hard earned money, you maggot.
I think this time you spent got you off from trying to lure some more
gullable victims.
Get a decent job instead of trying to scam innocent hard working people.
You are really lousey at it, by the way. Your scam is an insult to
human intelligence.
It has more holes than a fishnet, hahahaha!!!!

Fuck you very much,

Ps. do you sell any D2Xs?

Mattias


2006/7/20, tom aven :
>
> Mattias,
>
> Please don't understand me wrong but can you see this paper? Try to open
> the attachment, because I can't see the paper. I hope you don't joke with
> me. You can couver up only the MTCN with something. when you scan the
> paper.Send me again the paper because on this paper I can't see anything.
>
> Thank you
>
>
[Citerad text är dold]
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Wow...that's a lot of '>'. Can you clean it up a bit so it's readable? Also, it's entirely out of order (apparantly).

Sounds as if you've got a good thing going, but until I can make sense of the above, that's all I can say.

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^^^^
What Orion said.


Also, mabar34, you may wish to find a moderator and change your username -- especially if you are registered on eBay....

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I agree with him ^^^^^ please sort the formating out, I read through it but most of the time I didn't know who was saying what or what was happening, text is repeated so you lose track, all that mattered was the last 2 messages where you told him you were playing and his response.

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This starts more or less in the middle of giving details (in spanish).
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 17 juli 2006 11:59
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hola Mattias,
Tiene dos años de garantía. Espero su contestación así que puedo saber cuándo usted tendrá el dinero a comprar.
Saludos,

-----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 17 juli 2006 13:33
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hola,
Y en que estado esta, por avor?

Saludos,

Mattias
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 17 juli 2006 17:29
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hola,


La camara es nueva está cerrada,por favor dígame si usted tiene el dinero a comprar.

Gracias,
-----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 17 juli 2006 18:03
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Si lo tendre esta semana, como comente en un mail anterior.
Ya te avisare.

Muchas gracvas!

Mattias
----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 09:55
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Ya tengo el dinero, donde podemos quedar?

Saludos,
Mattias
----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 10:45
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>

Hola,

La cámara será envía de Londres Reino Unido, y también el pago será hecho allí, después de que haga el envío que le contestaré con el papel explorado de la UPS y también de mi nombre y dirección así que usted puede ir a Western Union y hacer el pago para la cámara,también el coste del envío se incluye en el precio.A propósito satisfaga me envían su nombre completo y dirección para el envío.

Gracias
-----------------------
attias Barthel <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 10:50
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello,
Can we please take this in english?
I am swedish. Sometimes theese automatic translaters mess up more than help.
Can you please explain the procedure in english?

Thank you,

Mattias
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 12:54
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>

Hello,

The camera will be send by London UK, and also the payment will be made there. After I will make the the shipping I will reply you with the scanned paper from UPS,and also my full name and address so you can go to Western Union and make the payment,also the shipping cost is included in the price.By the way please send me your full name and address for the shipping.

Thank you

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Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 13:07
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
I dont understand, in the advert it said that the camera was in San
Cugat, Barcelona?

Do you want me to pay first and then you will send the camera?
I dont think so.
Normally when you buy things from particulars, you pay to the
post-office when the item arrived already. Or, you pay directly in the
hand which I would have preferred.

Waiting for more input.

Mattias
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 13:17
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello,

I told you,I will make first the shipping .You will go to make the payment to Western Union after I will send you the scanned paper from UPS with the shipping confirmation. Also,you will receive a money transfer control number when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you will receive and try the camera.

Thank you.
-----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 13:26
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
It is only possible to send 999pounds per 30 with western union website:
You have entered an amount that exceeded the maximum transaction limit
of GB £999.99

The maximum initial send amount for a money transfer is £500.00 or
£999.99 per 30 days depending on your transaction history with
westernunion.co.uk.

Amount to send : £ 1096.00
Money transfer fee* : £
Total estimated amount : £
Estimated exchange rate 1 United Kingdom Pound =


What now?
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 16:31
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello,

You can make the payment don't worry, but you will must go with the money to a Western Union agencie. Please send me your full name and address so I can start the shipping. I know you will pay when you will make the wire to Western Union,you will send me 1550 euro, 50 euro you will use to pay the taxes to Western Union. I wait your reply.

Thank you

-----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 18 juli 2006 17:42
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Ok,

My address:
Mattias Barthel
Barcelona
Spain

Cheers,

Mattias
-----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 11:06
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello,

I made the shipping and here you have the scanned paper from UPS and also my full name and address. Please go to Western Union and send me also today the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation so you can receive the package and close this first deal.

Thank you and I wait your reply.

Tom Aven

98 Marylebone
London EC1R3ER
United Kingdom


----------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 11:17
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,
I can not see the UPS tracking number on the scabbed ticket.
How do I then know that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias
----------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 12:48
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello Mattias,

I can't give you the tracking number until you will make the payment, because if the package will be in Spain you can take the package if you know the tracking number. After you will make the payment you will not give me the money transfer control number until you will receive the pacage. After I will see the scanned paper from Western Union I will give you the tracking number. When you will receive the package you will give me the MTCN number and the deal will be off.

Thank you
--------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 18:02
Till: Mattias Barthel <[email protected]>
Hello Mattias,

Please tell me what is happening. Do you made the payment to Western Union? I wait your reply.

Thank you.
-------------------
Mattias Barthel <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 18:52
Till: tom aven <[email protected]>
Hello Tom,

I wont pay anything until I am sure that the camera arrived and I can see it.
Otherwise, how will I be sure that you really sent it?

Thank you,

Mattias
-------------------
tom aven <[email protected]> den 19 juli 2006 19:44
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>

OK Mattias,then you will make a wire to Western Union to your best friend's name, but on my address here in London UK, so I can call to Western Union and see that you have the money.After you will receive and try the camera you will change the name used as receiver with my name.If you will not make the wire so I can see you have money and you are a honest man I will stop the shipping. I'm sorry about this but I made my part in this deal.Must be two names when you will make the wire to Western Union one as a sender and one as receiver so I can see the transfer.

Thank you
-------------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 19 juli 2006 19:51
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Hello Tom,

Whats the rush?

Ok, I will make the payment tomorrow. An I wont let you know the MTCN
number until
the delivery arrives.

Thanks,

Mattias
-------------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 19 juli 2006 21:04
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
OK Mattias, I will wait tomorrow morning the scanned paper from Western Union with the payment confirmation.

Thank you
-------------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 09:58
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Hello and good morning Tom,

Now I just came back from the post-office. I paid 1550EUR as agreed to
a friend of mine in London by the name
of:
Clarke Wilson,
but to your address.

Unfortunately I cant show you the receit they gave me because I dont
own a scanner.

So when the shipment arrives I will change the name of the receiver to yours.
Can you please give me the entire tracking number now?
I hope this will be right and nothing fishy, I took a bankloan for
this you know.

Thank you,

Mattias

-------------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 11:30
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Mattias , Please write me the details of the paper.Sender first name,last name, receiver first name ,last name. Like is on the paper, or please try to find a scanner. So I can call to Western Union and see the transfer.I wait your reply.

Thank you
-------------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 11:33
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Ok,

Senders first name:
Mattias
Senders last name:
Barthel

Receivers first name:
Clarke
Receivers last name:
Wilson

Thank you,

Mattias
-------------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 12:17
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Mattias, I try to call to Western Union and I can't see the transfer made by your name to this name Clarke Wilson. Please send me the money transfer control number because I can't take the money if I'm not the receiver. After I will see you made the transfer I will send you the tracking number.

Thank you
-------------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 12:23
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Hello Tom,

No, that was not part of the deal:
Look what you wrote:
>> Also,you will receive a money transfer control
> >number
> > when you will make the payment, you will not give me this number until you
> > will receive and try the camera.

As you said yourself I will give you the MTCN number only when the
camera arrives.
It should have arrived already, right? It was sent yesterday with
express UPS. That takes about 1 day UK-Spain.
Something is definitely wrong here. If I dont receive the delivery
today I will stop the moneytransfer.

Thank you,

Mattias
----------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 12:39
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Yes Mattias, but I can see the transfer , I don't know if you made it. Please try to find a scanner and send me the scanned paper with the MTCN number cover up.
I wait your reply so we can close this first deal.

Thank you
----------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 13:02
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Mattias,I told you, you will receive the camera in 2-3 days. Please send me the scanned paper from Western Union if you made the wire so I can see you are a honest man and you have money.If you want to receive the camera.

Thank you.

----------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 13:23
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Tom,
Ok, I will try to go to an Internet cafe here and see if they have a
scanner there.
Please be patient.

Thank you,

Mattias
----------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 14:46
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Ok Mattias,I wait your reply with the scanned paper from Western Union.
Regards,
----------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 14:57
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Hello Tom,

Luckily they had a scanner there. So now I send you the scanned
receipt from western union.
I have blurred it out a bit so the MTCN number remains invisible.

I await the tracking number.

Thank you,

Mattias
(this was the image of dennis - john scame Smile
----------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 15:17
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Mattias,

Please don't understand me wrong but can you see this paper? Try to open the attachment, because I can't see the paper. I hope you don't joke with me. You can couver up only the MTCN with something. when you scan the paper.Send me again the paper because on this paper I can't see anything.

Thank you
----------------
Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com> den 20 juli 2006 17:02
Till: tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com>
Hello Tom or whatever the hell your real name is,

Look, it has been kind of entertaining while this lasted but you will
never scam me of my hard earned money, you maggot.
I think this time you spent got you off from trying to lure some more
gullable victims.
Get a decent job instead of trying to scam innocent hard working people.
You are really lousey at it, by the way. Your scam is an insult to
human intelligence.
It has more holes than a fishnet, hahahaha!!!!

Fuck you very much,

Ps. do you sell any D2Xs?
(this actually on sale on anuntis.com for the same price!!!)
Mattias

----------------
tom aven <tom44aven@yahoo.com> den 20 juli 2006 17:16
Till: Mattias Barthel <mattiasbarthel@gmail.com>
Fuck you mother facker !!! I will fuck your mother in the ASS so can come one like you ,smart one.
----------------


End of conversation.

This guy has at the moment an ad for a D2Xs (newer the D2X) and the tracking code in UPS is:
Z 837 4GT 66 9119 167 3


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You were doing very well until that last message you sent him.

You know the phrase, "Once burned, twice shy?"

Mugus who get burned by baiters then learn that baiters exist. Knowing this, they are less likely to acquiesce to our demands. They're more likely to twig. While this may lose them some people who actually fall for the scam (they act a little suspicious, the scammer twigs), it is more likely to hurt baiters.

Basically, once scammers know there is active opposition, they become slightly smarter scammers. We don't want that, now do we?

If you get tired of a mugu, and we all have at some point or another, act suspicious, or 'find' a newspaper clipping about the scam and accuse him, or just disappear. Telling the scammer he's been scammed can get some funny responses, but in general isn't worth it.

Other than that, great job!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry, a "1" slipped away from the tracking number.
It should be:
1Z 837 4GT 66 9119 167 3

Btw, how long can he hold the shipment in state "exception"?
Has he paid for this?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

GuardianOfOrion:
Thanks. I guess your right but hey I am just a noob.
And it was a quite funny response.
Actually I first started out wanting the camera.

JMRazor:
What do I have to fear?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

We try to "bait safe" -- which means we never give lads our real information, or other identifying marks that a lad, or his more motivated friends, could use to harm us or otherwise cause problems.

If an enterprising lad wanted to, he could find out who you were by searching for the gmail address you used in your bait, which might lead him here, which would show you posting your username, and then he could easily find your Ebay information (assuming that is you). Next step is to start making fake purchases or otherwise working to screw with your Ebay profile. I suppose a lad could go even farther than that, but this would seem enough for me.

It's your call, but much better safe than sorry. Just PM a mod and ask to change your username somewhat. Cheers. Smile

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