Should I have sold him the laptops or a UK passport?

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My company uses a well known international trade website. It has its own messaging system - which I'm starting to belive is hardwired into some Nigerian server in Lagos.

The following is a transcript of the converstation I have just had with a very determined scammer (10:00 08/12/05 to 03:00 09/12/05) see the post "Should I have sold him the laptops" for the first part of what i feel could become a continuing saga.

I appologise in advance for the length of this post and feel I should also offer some sort of legal discliamer. * I or none of my staff have the authority to issue UK passports, I know people who are "a bit dodgy" but I really don't mix with the "BAD MAN".

mjohn009: hello
mjohn009: i ve been waiting for you
mjohn009: since

Harrynemisis: Hello

mjohn009: how about the transaction between you and i? <see should I have sold him the laptops?>

Harrynemisis: I'm still not sure I could'nt verify any of your information

mjohn009: i think my the customer care will have tell you alots about me

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: wat next?

Harrynemisis: I don't know
Harrynemisis: I would like to do business with you

mjohn009: sure/
mjohn009: if you like to do business with me then,you have to go straight
mjohn009: you are the one delaying me
mjohn009: you know that/
mjohn009: are you still there?

Harrynemisis: yes
Harrynemisis: I know I'm the one delaying our transaction

mjohn009: why are you delaying it/

Harrynemisis: ButI have to be 100% sure this is a
Harrynemisis: Legitimate transaction

mjohn009: i am sure and there should be no doubt about it

Harrynemisis: None of the information you provided checked out - what am I to do?

mjohn009: you know that nigeria is not advanced to the level of seing their information on net
mjohn009: you know that?
mjohn009: are u still there?
mjohn009: be fast

Harrynemisis: No - thats not true. If you have access to the internet then you have the ability to discolse any information you se fit. It is nothing to do with technology - if you can access the internet then you have the ability to use information as you see fit

mjohn009: that is not the point\

Harrynemisis: Yes it is micheal

mjohn009: but dont you want to sell the items for me?

Harrynemisis: you're telling me that I can't check your details because your technology is not advanced - this is not the case
Harrynemisis:Yes I would like to sell the items - I do need the money

mjohn009: i dont mean our technology

Harrynemisis:Which technology?

mjohn009: you want to sell the items,what are you doing like this/

Harrynemisis:what do you mean?

mjohn009: if you are not interested,let me find another seller
mjohn009: ok?

Andrew Brown: OK - I understand that you may be a genuine buyer, but nithing checked out

mjohn009: I have arranged for your mone to be sent to you

Harrynemisis: Ok - how did you do that?

mjohn009: your money is ready to be sent to you
mjohn009: that is why i need your name and address so as to send the money

Harrynemisis: what do you think my name is?

mjohn009: I dont know

Harrynemisis: when I type - what is the name next to the text I send you?

mjohn009: Harrynemisis (not my real name - obviously)

Harrynemisis: OK - what do you think my name is?

mjohn009: Harrynemisis

Harrynemisis: 10 out of 10 sherlock

mjohn009: pls domt play me

Harrynemisis:Ah I'm sorry

mjohn009: let me find another seller

Harrynemisis: OK
Harrynemisis: Always nice talking with you micheal

mjohn009: will u send me your information to make payment?

Harrynemisis: What information do you need?

mjohn009: your full name and address to send the money

Harrynemisis: are you still going to use bid pay?

mjohn009: yes

<at this point I had to go to the bog - Mrs Nemisis took over>

Mrs Nemisis: hello im Harry's wife, Harry is at the toilet

mjohn009: who is this?

Mrs Nemisis: Harry's wife

mjohn009: what kind of transaction is this
mjohn009: ?
mjohn009: i dont need to talk to you
mjohn009: BYE

Mrs Nemisis: i was just being polite while andrew was busy

mjohn009: when he is back tell me

Mrs Nemisis: hes just getting a beer theres no need to be rude

mjohn009: are u selling or not/
mjohn009: ?
mjohn009: it mis harry now
mjohn009: and then wife
mjohn009: what is going on?
mjohn009:
mjohn009: u there/.
mjohn009: ?

<at this point I returned - Mrs Nemisis was not pleased>

Harrynemisis: Hello Micheal

mjohn009: hi

Harrynemisis: I just had to excuse myself

mjohn009: andrew what is the meaning of this shit?
mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: so what do you want us to do now?
mjohn009: u have to be fast

Harrynemisis: What shit - I went to the toilet

mjohn009: customers are here waiting for me

Harrynemisis: my wife took over

mjohn009: ok/
mjohn009: ?
mjohn009: ur wife is just playing on me
mjohn009: why?

Harrynemisis: My wife owns 50% of the company

mjohn009: back to business
mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: we make decisions together

mjohn009: so what do we do about the transaction
mjohn009: my customers need it badly by tuesday

Harrynemisis: I cant get them to Nigeria by tuesday

mjohn009: i will like doing business with you only if you are ready
mjohn009: i will call the bank now to make the payment for the laptops
mjohn009: and ship it immediately u see the confirmation in ur box
mjohn009: ok?
mjohn009: u there?

Harrynemisis: I'll ship them

mjohn009: u promise?

Harrynemisis:when I have cleared funds

mjohn009: send me ur full name and ur address,including ur shiping rates and the total for the 3 laptops
mjohn009: <was an emocicon smiley thing drinking a beer in this blank space>

mjohn009: just thirsty

Harrynemisis: So was I, went for a drink and you were rude to my wife

mjohn009: forget that
mjohn009: she is the one rude
mjohn009: ok?
mjohn009: so do what i told you to do
mjohn009: ok?

Harrynemisis: I don't think my wife is rude - she just said hello

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: tell her i'm sorry for that
mjohn009: i mean no harm
mjohn009: only being anxious
mjohn009: ok?
mjohn009:

Harrynemisis: OK - why are you so anxious?

mjohn009: my customer need the laptops
mjohn009: even they want 5 laptops and 3 phon3es
mjohn009: they are a foreign student here
mjohn009: that is why
mjohn009: \ok?

Harrynemisis:I thought you needed the laptops for your cyber-cafe
Harrynemisis:Your top secret cyber-cafe <see should I have sold him the laptops>
mjohn009: yes
mjohn009: i will buy the ones for cafe later
mjohn009: ok?
mjohn009: serve my customer first

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: and then mine
mjohn009: so
mjohn009: are u ready for the payment/

Harrynemisis: I did not know about your customers

mjohn009: ?
mjohn009: they arrived about 2 hours ago
mjohn009: anbd started ordering
mjohn009: u know how foreign students behaves
mjohn009: so
mjohn009: what about the payments?

Harrynemisis: I would prefer paypal - its a lot more secure than bidpay

mjohn009: i dont know much about the paypal method

Harrynemisis: The addres you gave me for bidpay customer service was one of your personal addresses.
Harrynemisis: I thought you had a paypal account that you cancelled - you told me that eariler

mjohn009: i nevesaid anything about paypal
mjohn009: i guess its someone else
mjohn009: ok?

Harrynemisis:Paypal is really easy - I can just email you an invoice and you can pay with Credit Card, Debit Card or other methods

mjohn009: so

Harrynemisis: It also makes the transaction safer for you

mjohn009: how will you know i have paid

Andrew Brown: I'll get an instant notification

mjohn009: ok i guess i will give it a try
mjohn009: i will contact paypal

Harrynemisis: OK - but you dont have to have an account with them. Just go to www.paypal.com and check it out
Harrynemisis: That link is not even my afiliate link so its kind of like free advice
Harrynemisis:If I send you an invoice via email with a paypal button - a pay now button - you can use a lot of different methos to pay. You won't need an account and there will be no charge to you
Harrynemisis: Are you still there?

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: im doing that

Harrynemisis: ok

mjohn009: so how will you get the money/

Harrynemisis:It will go into my paypal account

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: from there I can transfer it to my bank or use it for further online transactions

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: if you pay me with paypal I will get charged for the transaction - but it's OK I never pass those charges on to my customers

mjohn009: SEND THE INVOICE

Harrynemisis: OK - Let me know your email address

mjohn009: [email protected]

Harrynemisis: OK, you remember the amount we agreed on for 3 x alpha note books?
Harrynemisis: It was 1,700GBP

mjohn009: sned all to the mail
mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: OK - what about the shipping? you said you would pa?y - if this transaction goes well (which I'm sure it will) what will we do about that

mjohn009: give me the shipping cost
mjohn009: to Nigeria via fedex

Harrynemisis: I don't know the shipping cost but we can deal with that later

mjohn009: but im already making the payment
mjohn009: you just give me how much it can cost

Harrynemisis: Ok - you'll need to send 1700GBP. We'll sort out the shipping later

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: but how soon will you ship it

Harrynemisis: asap

mjohn009: today

Harrynemisis: its 1am here now it will be in the morning

mjohn009: which country
mjohn009: ul/
mjohn009: uk/

Harrynemisis:I'm in the UK

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: how about hte money
mjohn009: about the money to do the shipping

Harrynemisis: You'll send it with paypay - when it arrives we'll sort out the money for shipping

mjohn009: i need your mail address

Harrynemisis: no I need your [email protected] is that it?

mjohn009: the mail on your paypal id
mjohn009: hope this is not a scam

Harrynemisis: Why I'll send you an invoice woth a link to pay - its 100% not a scam I'm paypal verified

mjohn009: cos the customercare said the money will be on hold until you send the item is shipped and tracking number sent to them for shipping verification

Harrynemisis: Paypal customer care siad that?

mjohn009: yes

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: so you knew this and you were trying to fool me

Harrynemisis:No

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis:Thats not how paypal works - I would never try to fool anyone

mjohn009: but i was told you will have to send the tracking number to them for verification before your money can be approved
mjohn009: you can contact them yourself i was given their customercare mail address

Harrynemisis: No - I send you a link or button, you click it fill in your details and make the payment. Its totaly secure - I only get to know your emailaddress and shipping address

mjohn009: i was told i will be needing your mail address
mjohn009: that the notification will be sent there
mjohn009: before the approval
mjohn009: are you there

Harrynemisis: No you won't. I'll email an invoice you'll get this email from my address so you'll have it then. There is no notification - you but it I konw you have bought it and the money is transfered instantly

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: send it now
mjohn009: i mean the invoice

Harrynemisis: Its on the way

mjohn009: ok i will check it

Harrynemisis: You should have an email from paypal in a minute or two. While we are waiting we should get to know each other - after all we will be doing business

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: Good
Harrynemisis: are you married?

mjohn009: why ask?
mjohn009: no

Harrynemisis: I just thought we would communicate on a more personal level now that business is out of the way for a while
Harrynemisis: I am married
Harrynemisis:How is the cyber-cafe business working out for you?

mjohn009: good
mjohn009: thanks

Harrynemisis: I'm glad

mjohn009: i think we should be friend indeed

Harrynemisis:good
Harrynemisis:we have spoken a lot recently
Harrynemisis: do you like beer?

mjohn009: i want you and i should be business prtner

Harrynemisis: OK
Harrynemisis:you get the customers and we'll sort out a commision basis - ok

mjohn009: good
mjohn009: i dont know if you can supplie me laptops

**** Disclaimer - Niether I or my staff are in a position to issue UK passports ****

Harrynemisis: I can supply other things
Harrynemisis: usefull things

mjohn009: like wat?

Harrynemisis: what do you need
Harrynemisis: I can get almost anything

mjohn009: pls tell me wat you can suply

Harrynemisis: Tell me what you want
Harrynemisis:UK passport?

mjohn009: yes

Harrynemisis: expensive but i can do them - no Western Union. The people who supply me need real money, they are bad people Smile

mjohn009: wat a bad people

Harrynemisis: Bad people - the kind you dont cross
Harrynemisis: They get you something you give them the money - or?
Harrynemisis: bad people

mjohn009: well that is bad people's life
mjohn009: how can you supply me it?

Harrynemisis: Well, you need to give me some information about your background. Then I'll speak to a couple of people I know - then you will have an identity in the UK. You could try and get here on a forged passport but it's risky. Better to let us handle bussines - you can have a real passport shipped out to you but you would have to use a different identity to the one you have now.

mjohn009: are you ther?

Harrynemisis: I'm here

mjohn009: -i will be back in 2 mins

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: wait?

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: am back

Harrynemisis: Hi

mjohn009: re send your message

Harrynemisis:which one?

mjohn009: the answer you give me when i say how will you supply me the uk visa
mjohn009: ok?

Harrynemisis: Not a visa - passport, much better than a visa

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: wat?

Harrynemisis: Visa - 3 to 12 months, passport makes you a UK citizen

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: how would i have a reel passport?

Harrynemisis: Dont ask questions - we have a diverse ethnic population obviously because of this people of diverse cultures die in this countru every day. We can match you up with one of these people or expeidiate the process - it couldbe done like that. Also the people I work woth have been into this sort of thing since around 1950, we have identities waiting to be filled - you get me. There are other ways to, tourists go missing - if you look like them and have backgroung inf into their lives who's to say thats not you? I'm here to help
Andrew Brown: sound good?

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis:You good with that?

mjohn009: wait?
mjohn009: wat about the laptop i want buy

Harrynemisis:Is it a real deal? be honest, I don't make my money exporting laptops
Harrynemisis: Please just be honest
Harrynemisis: I don't mind whatever you say we can do business with something - just tell me what you need

mjohn009: are you there?

Harrynemisis: yes I'm still here

mjohn009: am honest

Harrynemisis: OK - don't mind what you say
Harrynemisis: remember - I can help you

mjohn009: yes
mjohn009: how?

Harrynemisis:I can help in various ways - but you have to be honest with me and then I will be totally honest with you. I am a man of honour - capishe?

mjohn009: thanks
mjohn009: i will be honest too

Harrynemisis: good

mjohn009: cos am a man too

Harrynemisis: OK - tell me

mjohn009: wat?

Andrew Brown: Tell me if our deal was going to be 100%, its ok if you say no. I understand the situation I have done similar thingd myself. I am not trying to scam you - I am trying to go straight, I have been in to much trouble to risk going back to prison - see honesty. All I want to know is if the laptop deal was 100% if you say no - it's no big deal a man needs to provide fo himself and his family, however he sees fit.
Andrew Brown: you get me?

mjohn009: yes

Harrynemisis: OK - how do you feel about that? We should be cool

mjohn009: our deal will be 100%
mjohn009: yes

Harrynemisis: ok
Harrynemisis: I look forward to doing business with you

mjohn009: i too
mjohn009: lets start now

Harrynemisis: OK

mjohn009: wat kind of thing you can help me now?

Harrynemisis: What kind of help do you need?
Harrynemisis: Anything can help you with now?

mjohn009: i need passport

Harrynemisis: OK - we can do that, is it UK or other?
Harrynemisis: UK?

mjohn009: can you help me with uk visa?

Harrynemisis: Yes, I can help with a UK visa but a full UK passport is better

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: i want uk passport\

Harrynemisis: OK now we are talking business

mjohn009: ok

Harrynemisis: OK - your not married which makes it easier

mjohn009: yes
mjohn009: am not yet married

Harrynemisis: Do you have a fiance?

mjohn009: yes
mjohn009: i have

Harrynemisis: Ok - how do you feel about her? I maried for love but there was another girl I could have married for money. Be honest - if you have a UK passport and are a UK resident then your fiance could come too.

mjohn009: i love her till the rest of my mind

Harrynemisis: - love is what makes the sun come up. People call me sentimental but I know the true value of love. She loves me unconditionaly no mater what I do.

mjohn009: good
mjohn009: thats fine
mjohn009: how could you help me
mjohn009: pls?

Harrynemisis: I can help you with whatever you need

Harrynemisis: I have to go soon - its 2:30am and i have work in the morning - wake up at7:00

mjohn009: you no help me any more

Harrynemisis:: I'll help you

mjohn009: when?

Harrynemisis: We can talk tomorrow - I'll be on a different computer so I'm not sure if you'll be on my contact list but I'll be online and available from about 10:30am GMT
Harrynemisis: I look forward to speaking with you - it's always a pleasure.

mjohn009: i may not be available but anything you will did for me as favour mail me

Harrynemisis: OK - I'll mail you tomorrow

mjohn009: ok
mjohn009: you know my id?

Harrynemisis: [email protected]
Harrynemisis: yes?

mjohn009: yes
mjohn009: i will be looking forward
mjohn009: i will be very greateful if you make it and suceed in help me

Harrynemisis: OK - speak to you later

mjohn009: good night
mjohn009: bye

Harrynemisis: bye

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