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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Iäm new here. Sorry for my english; i had to improve it, for exampe here Smile
I usually live my virutal life on russian sites. My first non-native language is russian. I tried about 200 scammers from ghana and russia. But I didn-t succeed very well. Anyway the never got a penny from mee. But i didn-t succeed to have some fun with them. Just now Iam trying two stupids from liberia to place a applecace on their head and send mee a photo: Its more problem for women to to that than men. Do you have some piece of good advices for mee ?


----- Vidarebefordrat meddelande ----
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Till: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Skickat: torsdag, 11 oktober 2012 5:21
Ämne: Beträffande: All about me with love and trust.

Aff aff aff!!


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From: jane saleeby <[email protected]>;
To: aniara80
Subject: All about me with love and trust.

----- Vidarebefordrat meddelande ----
Från: Aniara80
Till: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Skickat: torsdag, 11 oktober 2012 5:35
Ämne: Beträffande: All about me with love and trust.

Sorry, i forgot to explain. That was my electronic dogsimulator. I's guarding my house and answering my mails in the spambox. Are you going to make a photograph for identification, as i told you? Photograph yourself in a mirror holding a piece of paper with the text 'no scam' ?


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From: jane saleeby <[email protected]>;
To: Aniara80
Subject: All about me with love and trust.
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:04:23 PM

--- Vidarebefordrat meddelande ----
Från: Aniara80
Till: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Skickat: torsdag, 11 oktober 2012 17:19
Ämne: Vidarebefordra: Dear with love and trust,


You asked me what 'no scam' means? I told you that i get about four message a day in my spambox, similar to yours. These letters are called 'nigerialetters' and have been wellknown since 1952. This letter tells the same story as yours. Do you want to identify yourself? Do as i told you.

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From: Lisagirl Baby <[email protected]>;
To: Aniara80;
Subject: Dear with love and trust,
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 12:51:40 AM

Hello my dear ,
I write to you with love and trust,

i hope that you are doing great over there today with the help of almighty god i appreciate your mail right now as i am writing this mail to you something in me tells me that the time for me to wear a smile has come i see you as a guardian a savior a friend a good Samaritan who god will use to wipe away my tears as i told you before that i am residing in the church orphanage home in Dakar Senegal as a result of the civil war that was fought in my country i did not have any other person that could be able to help me out the only person i have now is :

reverend Father ken Anthony ( St Mary's Catholic Church )
His office telephone number is ( +221-771-99-98-07 ) ( 00221-771-99-98-07 ) .

[blah blah blah]



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Från: aniara80
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Skickat: fredag, 12 oktober 2012 8:07
Ämne: Beträffande: Re: Beträffande: Re: Vidarebefordra: Dear with love and trust,

If i ask you to send me a photo from your childhood, you can do it, if you are the same person as on the photograph. If you cannot do it, you are propably some other person.


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To: aniara80
Subject: Re: Beträffande: Re: Vidarebefordra: Dear with love and trust,
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:57:26 PM

if you don't want to believe me, you can stop writing to me
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^ Hej, og velkommen til 419 Eater. Wink

You're pushing too hard. I bait for trohpies a lot, it's a part of how I weed out the boring lads, and I never ask for trophies until they've been on my hook for weeks. And those are only photos of them holding a sign with some rubbish on it, a pic of a lad with an apple pie on the head is too much to 99% of the lads (not to mention that apples aren't too abundant in the West African region). What you could consider is to start a church bait, and recruit the lad into your flock. The initiation ritual will of course involve a whole range of oddities, including balancing pies on the head. Wink

Remember to bait safe - if even the slightest bit of personal RL information is tied to that mail account you're using, it's recommended that you drop the lad and re-bait him from an unrelated account made in a fictional name. Also read all the stickies you can find, and go to the Eater University subforum for valuable tips and tricks. And remember to have fun causing lad pain, and to share it here on the forum. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

As you rightly thought, the scammer is not the one in the photos he sent. But since he isn't, you cant expect him to send a photo from his characters childhood. When you demanded that you put the scammer agaist the wall and there was nothing for him to do. Even though you confronted him and boxed him in you also effectively put an end to the bait. If your lad (scammer) cant go anywhere to continue the scam he is gonna drop you and that will end the bait. The objective in scambaiting is to waste their time and recourses as much as possible.

You can re bait him from another account and try something different.

Lycka till.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Dr Mike wrote:
As you rightly thought, the scammer is not the one in the photos he sent. But since he isn't, you cant expect him to send a photo from his characters childhood. When you demanded that you put the scammer agaist the wall and there was nothing for him to do. Even though you confronted him and boxed him in you also effectively put an end to the bait. If your lad (scammer) cant go anywhere to continue the scam he is gonna drop you and that will end the bait. The objective in scambaiting is to waste their time and recourses as much as possible.

You can re bait him from another account and try something different.

Lycka till.


Yes; it wasnt a successful attempt. Bouth of them are rich and sitting in refugeecamps; What will you suggest to do ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Your lad is Senegalese. Senegalese lads are notoriously lazy and hard to get to do anything. 95% of them are sweaty men posing as rich orphans caught in a refugee camp, and they are extremely hard to get off script and to get to dance to your tune.

What I suggest is that you slow down - send 2-3 mail per week only, and remember to include a question in each mail you need an answer to before you can proceed. Examples could be "this is very complicated, can you explain in simpler terms?", "Of all the people in the world, why me?", "Are there any risks involved?", that sort of things. Do that for at least a month, before you get to the point where you demand a photo. When you do it too fast, the lad will write you off as a "joker" (lad term for a baiter, they have no idea what we're really doing) and drop you.
You need to weave an alternate reality around him, nice and slowly, get him off his script (this is important, because until then, he's not even reading your mails), and when you begin to feel that he's starting to believe in you, then the time is right to ask for the photo.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^This is what we use instead of quoting the entire post above- Connie

In this case the scammer i s bouth lovescammer and buisinessscammer. He have problems to show his identity. That means no thropy for mee !!

For examle the lovescammer Elena från Khazan; identified her self by making a photo where she wrote my name on her trousers. In russia i belive almost all lovescammers are women, in africa they are men.

In this case the scammer had to lie about everything. He risks to fail. The story is very phatetical; a doughter to a rich politian is sitting in a refugee camp. And the "doughter" even isnt a doughter. How can he go further ? If the reader doesent swallow everything immediately; the scammer had to escape. But you are right, if he had scammed for more than a month he dont like to lose all the work and escape.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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In russia i belive almost all lovescammers are women


Wrong. Russian scammers almost all are men. But is a distinction here between the scammers from Russia, or other parts of Former Soviet Union, and the scammers from Ukraine. First group pay real women to take pictures and to answer at phone. Second group use stolen pictures, models or porn-stars. First group use special software for massmailing emails - like The Bat!, for example. Second group use proxies, and for this reason sometime the emails seems to come from other countries, not Ukraine, even if the email text tell "she"´s in Ukraine. Russian scammers dont read letters, ukrainean scammers do that.
Even the translation agency scams - those cases when you must pay because "your love" dont speak english and someone must translate "her" letters" - are given by men.
And in pro-dater area - where you met the lady in real life - usual she has one protector. This one dont appear "in the scene", but he write the scenario for the meeting and he establish the places for the meeting. And, of course, he take most of the gains in exchange for protection.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

aniara80, welcome to Eater, hope you do well with your scammer.

Please note that you don't have to quote the previous post in full when you reply.

All you have to put is '^' to show that you refer to the previous message.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

firef1y wrote:
Quote:
In russia i belive almost all lovescammers are women


Wrong. Russian scammers almost all are men. But is a distinction here between the scammers from Russia, or other parts of Former Soviet Union, and the scammers from Ukraine.


The scamer [email protected] wrote me from november to may. She was very active, posted nearly everyday. She sended me about 50 pictures. She wrote on very funny swedish; I told her to stop,it was unreadable,because obviousely it was googletranslated. I answered on russian or swedish. I doubt that she read my letters, and im really sure that she didnt understand russian.She lived in some other part of the world , but not russia. Im sure she didnt live in russia, because she always answered the russian letters on swedish.

Very often i noticed that she didnt know who I am. For example she sometimes wrote me in english; she didnt react on important letters.

I learned a lot about scammers from changing letters with her.

I cant say that scammers are intelligent.the most of the photos from elena was when shes sitting on restaurant. She had very expensive clothes. When she later started to begging money it was of cource in vain.
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Yesterday one more scammer visited my russian site with following data, 27 years, very good economy and living in stockholm 1000 km from me. I cant understand how she can continue scamming on that story. A scammer had to be a arabic princess living on the southpole, starving and begging for help.

When i changed letters with elena i often thought that it would be good if I could achive the same program that she used for scamming, and use the same template as in the large amount of scamletters i have archived on my disk. Have the ability to communicate with hundreds of scammers and just press some keys on the keyboard to make it done.You mentioned one such program "Bat!" nj you know more such programs ? Do you know usable scammer templates ?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

You would need to reply in context at least to an extent. Try gmail's canned response feature.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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In this case the scammer i s bouth lovescammer and buisinessscammer.
They are only love scammers for a couple of mails and they want to get you away to their barrister or whoever they are pretending has power.

Horribly lazy and boring for the most part unless you can get them off script.

The Russian ones are a bit different depending on the script, the angle and the photos being used. I have even gotten a couple of videos out of them but they are never personalized. As stated above I think they pay girls for these photos and videos. I have even gotten a pic from one holding that days paper so they have access to these girls in some way.

I've noticed the translation scammers tend to use porn or model shots and get a little more risque shots to try and seal the deal. I have several f these going now and even the "agency" sends me pictures of the "girl" I was writing to.

If you search nicebride here you will find an older post where someone actually went to Russia to meet with the girl but the "translator" did all the talking for the girl.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

[quote="next victim"]
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If you search nicebride here you will find an older post where someone actually went to Russia to meet with the girl but the "translator" did all the talking for the girl.


I use only russian sites as mail.ru/znakomstvo.There are mostly russians, looks as usual people , not photomodels. But its a big site 18 miljon members. I made a search on "ghana" and i guess 10 000 or moore ghanascammers have a account there. I guess there are no hounest women in ghana Wink Everyone i found from ghana was white, looked like a photomodel and was in the age of 20-35 years.

I dont know if its really possible to find a soulmate at sites on internet. The result is just a lot of mails from scammers. Wasting a lot of time to find out who is a scammer. But there are no choice any moore, there are no other sites, only the sites on internet.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If you know of a good site for Russians I think a lot of us would be interested. Could you PM me a link to the one you use? One of mine is junk translators and the other is rather hit and miss with these. I get a lot more of the African ones from it.

I have had one Russian "girl" make a blog about me and a few more of them found it. That was entertaining at least. Look in my siggy at the moral monster line! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

next victim wrote:
If you know of a good site for Russians I think a lot of us would be interested. :


Ohh I forgot, the russian "facebook". Its called " vkontakte" 160 miljons participiating. Its also easier to avoid scammers there. try VK.ru
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^I don't want to avoid them at all. I want the scammers! Thank you for the tips on PM!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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The scamer [email protected] wrote me from november to may. She was very active, posted nearly everyday. She sended me about 50 pictures.


If this email adress is used for scam, why are no reports online about the email, the pictures and minimal evidence to prove the scam activity done with this email adress?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

firef1y wrote:

If this email adress is used for scam, why are no reports online about the email, the pictures and minimal evidence to prove the scam activity done with this email adress?


Because it is easy for the lad to get a new e-mail and it would interupt other baiters in their "hard work" on this guy.
Better report things, that are more difficult to replace, like websites, domain addresses or bank accounts.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ I think Firefly is talking about SW and sites like it.
Firefly, while some of us do post scam formats at warning sites, others don't. It's a matter of priorities. Most of us gets flodded by scam mails, and not all of us has the time to go and post it. Remember, that this forum focuses on baiting rather than victim support. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thank you, TheDane, for the explanations. Maybe my expectations are to high, i imagined every baiter wil report the scammer after the bait is finished. Victim support must not be a priority for no one who dont choose this way, but posting details about scammers usual help alot of people, who are not so lucky or experienced like the baiters to know what´s happend before to be too late...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Email addresses are pretty much disposable. It's more useful to post stolen pictures, formats (scripts) and fake ID that they use. Equally, phone numbers are very identifiable and cost money to replace. It's not that we don't care about victims; quite the opposite. But we know what gets results.
Email Addresses are posted at Scamwarners too. But you need more than that to be useful.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:12 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Until now i havent reported especially many of them to the sites. The sites usually react like they show no interest.Soon, when i have moore time im going to collect information and report them to the antiscammersites instead.Regarding to what you said, the sites dont care.
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