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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi guys and gals,

I'm currently trying to sell my car and ive had a foreign buyer interested but im very suspicious. What do you guys think?This is the only transcript.

Hi,

I´m interested in your MG, please let me know the best price..
Please dend me more pics of the part that needs be changed..
Kind regards,
Jorge
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me - Im open to offers Jorge. I think there is a picture on the website of
the tear in the hood

Hi,
I can offer 2,050 quid, I need move the car to Southampton port, please let me know if you are interested....
I can pay you by paypal, or if you preffer also I can pay you by wire transfer....
Please confirm, Thank you in advance.
Jorge


me -I would accept £2300. Why do you want the car moved to Southampton?
Are you not in the UK?

The car will be exported to Mexico, it will be a present...
when you receive the money in your account, the car will be collected for my carrier, of course you need send me de original documents by courier.
Regards,Jorge


I´m not in UK at this moment but I have a very good friend in London, He can go to pay you in cash the car next week (tuesday or wednesday), he only will pay you the car and collect the original documents, the car will be collected in a couple of days after, I'll provide you the information of my friend and carrier to coordinate the payment and collection.

what do you think? Jorge


i ignored the last email because i was suspicious... but then tonight receive dthe following

HI I AM JORGE'S FRIEND
I AM WRITING ON HIS BEHALF, I AM IN LONDON,
I HAVE THE MONEY WITH ME AND I AM READY
TO TRAVEL TO SOMERSET TOMORROW TO PURCHASE
THE CAR.
I WILL ONLY BE IN THE COUNRTY FOR THE NEXT 2 DAYS
SO PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME EITHER THROUGH
E-MAIL OR IF YOU CAN PHONE 0208 7597777 (ARORA HOTEL HEATHROW) ROOM 348 VICTOR ROBLEDO
THANK YOU
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me - Hi, Not saying your a scammer but i'm a concerned that you dont want
to view the car before buying it and no price has even been agreed for
the car. But let me get this right, you want the car and will pay cash
in British pounds and then the car is being shipped abroad?

Hello
I understand your concern.
Of course I am going to view the car before purchase
and to make sure all papers are in order.
And yes, I will pay cash in GBP and it would be shipped abroad.
I am only helping Jorge in doing this since I am in England
and am able to physically make the purchase.
I am staying at the Arora Heathrow Hotel 0208 759 7777 (room 348)
and I have only wednesday and thursday available
to travel to where the car is and buy it.
Please let me know if it's ok for you and we can meet
Thank You
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

This does not read like any of the scams we normally see. Most of the Craigslist/Gumtree scammers use fake check/paypal/escrow service, or stolen credit cards as payment. They don't offer to pay cash up front. They also don't pay a whole lot of attention to the details about the item (i.e. asking about the part that needs to be changed.)

The phone number is also correct for the hotel he says he is staying at.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That's what I thought too. Usually they want to pay with a cheque or paypal not cash. I'm still very suspicious about them not agreeing a price, or wanting to view the car before agreeing to the sale. I checked the names and there is a matinez in mexico who sells unusual cars.

I agreed to the sale on condition that the transaction take place at my bank so I can put the cash straight into my bank account. After requesting this, Ive not heard of them since, which is about 4 hours ago. I suspect they may be using counterfeit cash to pay for it and the bank request has scared them away. Having googled cash payments for cars, it seems that a lot of foreign buyers are either using fake money, or laundering stolen or illegally obtained cash into hard assets which they will sell at a later date for legit cash. Or, he was a legit buyer and I have scared him away with my suspicions. I suspect it's a scam however. I'll have to wait and see.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:24 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^I suspect you may be on the right track. Wait and see is all you can do. Be very careful to give up too much personal information until you feel very safe about the transaction being that you will be in physical proximity. I have heard Mexican cartels like to buy vehicles from abroad to use for smuggling efforts. Why not find a seller nick the car and export it back. May be elaborate sounding, but cars get stolen and exported out of the U.S. all the time, or so I have read.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome robido

I agree that it does not read like the typical scam, but you're wise being careful as it does seem suspicious. Searching on both those emails does not lead to anything suspicious. The original email seems connected to a car dealer (as you mentioned).

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is the latest email from him. No mention of my bank request

Hello Robert
I must insist... I am buying the car on someone else's behalf
and of course I would see the car physycally and
and of course I will see it is as advertised
and see if all the papers are in order
And only then I will pay you in cash the full amount
2300 GBP I understand was the last agreed price.
We have all sorted for its collection and shipping.
Please let me know as soon as you can so I can arrange my
travel for tomorrow
Thank You
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'd insest on the bank - It's a more or less public place, so you'll pretty much safe there. Furthermore the bank can verify the cash on the spot, and it's a definite "no go" if he turns up with a cheque.

Something strikes me as a bit odd - I understand, you live in the UK and the buyer is from Mexico - Is it some kind of vintage car?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes it's a 1978 MG Midget. Classic car. I am also highly suspicious.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^ That could explain the transcontinental interest.

Be careful, and keep us posted.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm with Chuda, insist on the bank and have the cash checked before handing over the keys/paperwork. And if he turns up with a cheque no deal.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ive emailed him back and said I will meet him where the car is being stored (public place) he can have a look at the car, and if hes happy with it, we go to the nearest bank to check the money is not counterfeit, if the cash is okay, i'll give him the keys and documents. Be interesting to see whether he agrees to this. Im curious as to why someone would want to buy a MG Midget, when I know there are thousands of them in the U.S. It would be a lot easier and cheaper to buy one from there rather than pay to ship from the UK to Mexico
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can you PM me the email headers?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

how do i find the headers?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hotmail

http://email.about.com/od/windowslivehotmailtips/qt/How_to_See_Full_Email_Headers_in_Windows_Live_Hotmail.htm

Yahoo

http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/headers-yahoo-gmail-hotmail-aol.html


There was a thread with easy instructions around here, but I can't find it. Perhaps someone can help.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok I have PM'd you. What can you tell from the email headers? Where it originated etc?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ I hate to be a dick, but can I handle this? I have a bit more experience.

Edit: I responded to a PM here while having too many windows open. I publicly apologize to the OP, and thought it was someone else. I messed up again, @ SOOI dock me $50 in next months check.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sure, if you can sniff out a scam better than I can.. by all means go for it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm looking for the [email protected] header.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ive pm'd it to you
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* 189.177.136.37 Check 189.177.136.37 at Senderbase.org Check 189.177.136.37 at Reputationauthority.org Gestión De Direccionamiento Uninet Querétaro Mexico

They check out. We can be a bit cynical, this may be legit. Insist on cash, in a public place.

MG people are a crazy lot. Good luck.

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He has just emailed me again and said he has no problems with looking at the car where it is being stored, if the car is okay, going to the bank with me to get the cash checked? Seems okay, but I am still suspicious
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Check now? Be very suspicious. I found it interesting the 2nd person contacted you without getting a yes or no from the first party of the transaction, seemingly out od the blue. This is very laddish behavior. Eater has made me very paranoid... Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The details are up to you and your personal level of security. I'd drive, or tow, the car to a public place close to the bank for the inspection.

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, going to the bank with me to get the cash checked? Seems okay


I assume you meant to say "Get the check cashed."

Did he ask you to send any money back?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ That would be "cash checked", I think

I googled "[email protected]" from the header here - Two funny things:
This thread pops up Confused
Furthermore the guy seem to be involved in music, actually selling stuff.

What do you make of that Pastor?

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