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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, I'm new to the community and very excited to start eating! I have some ideas brewing for destruction but I am not quite sure how far is too far. I will give you an example, please let me know your opinion...

Pose as a scientist who has been doing research on the development of gas in your automobile. I have been testing the theory of mixing SUGAR into the gas tank of a car to help the gas burn slower. (this is very malicious and will ruin the engine, the gas and sugar will harden and essentially destroy the engine to the point of no repair).

My morale debate is that I feel like this is a horrible thing to do to someone, but at the same time, these people attempt to ruin people's lives on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nothing is really too extreme but please consider the ITPs that may suffer from things like this. I don't think they would sugar their own tank.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, if it's definitley a scammer's car...

Icing sugar will get past the fuel filter better I feel. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

But what do you want to achieve with this, the lad is only interested in money as you put it to is what is the goal you want to achieve.

if there is a reason for which you need this knowledge you will go far.

But if you're a car dealer and you want to fight your opponent out of business with this wisdom, well why don't you

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

While there are many lads who deserve this fate, you would have no way of knowing whether they were doing this to their own car.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's very difficult to get lads to do anything unless they believe they will be financially rewarded.

I can't see any of them putting anything in the gas tank of their cars unless you promise to pay them to do so.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

While I believe that everyone around here thinks it's a good idea to f*ck a lad's car up - simply because it'll cost him money - NV's on to something, the car might belong to an ITP. While ITP's sometimes get affected unintentionally by our baits, it's a rule here to not deliberately do something that might hurt one, and should one get caught in the process, we try to get them the out.

EDIT: Seeing as my post could very well be misunderstood, I'd like to clarify that lads sometime involve ITP's, which might get them caught up in some, well.. shitfuckery.. that they shouldn't really be a part of.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

First off as far as the moral question I would have zero problem if a scammer destroyed his car.

You also need to have a good reason why you need them to do it even of your going to pay them. Your story has to make sense and be believable to the lad who is lazy by nature in order to get him to do anything.

I'm also not so sure a lads not going to know sugar will destroy an engine. We get away with a lot of stuff because of cultural differences but I'm not sure that sugar in a gas tank is cultural as much as common knowledge for most people that own cars.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for the input, especially about bringing up the notion that the car will not actually be their car.

My lead into the scam was basically telling them I would help them out if they too would help me out. I was going be all in with sending him bank numbers, and info as long as they did my research topic. I wanted to create a document that could be printed and had evaluation boxes for each step of the process, thus "ensuring" that my portion of the scam was done, also including photos...

I doubt that I will take this approach, seeing as how it most likely will not be their car that is being sabotaged. If you would like to take it and run please feel free to do so or if you have any ideas that might play into this let me know!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

As has been pointed out, this particular modality is too open to risking involvement of an innocent third person.

But there's another reason not to do it: it's based on a myth.

In the broader sense, as long as it doesn't involve an innocent person, the only limit to what is acceptable to do in baiting is up to your own ethics.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I wouldnt suggest this, you are educating a lad, even if he tries it on his own car and it screws it, he can then retain this knowledge and put it to further use. Theres greater chance of it causing more harm to ITP's than harming the lad more than once.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

What?? Next thing your going to tell me a banna in a tail pipe doesn't do anything...

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Gas in the tank definitely kills the engine. If clogs the fuel pumps, pipes and pistons.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^What?? I can't put gas in my tank either? Did I fall asleep and wake up in 2050 when cars run on garbage?

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes you did Doc, I need more garbage for the flux capacitor... I meant sugar, lol
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh man people keep ruining my day I was excited to be in the future but pissed I had a 38 year old iPhone so I guess that's good.

Just to be on the safe side I'm going to put a tube sock in my gas tank I bet I only have an ankle sock now.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

PHJ wrote:
Gas in the tank definitely kills the engine. If clogs the fuel pumps, pipes and pistons.


Yes, Snopes does confirm that part:

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Yet, even though the sugar will not reach the engine in either syrup or solid state, it can clog the fuel filter or the fuel injectors, a circumstance which could stop a car. A little sugar in the tank could be dealt with by no more than having to change the fuel filter a few times, but a heavier sugaring would require the gas tank be removed from the car and dumped out. Tom and Ray Magliozzi (the hosts of radio's Car Talk) say it's not a big job for a good mechanic to drop the tank and clean it out; the process would likely cost the car's owner somewhere between $100 and $200. Though $100 to $200 is an appreciable sum, it is a far cry from the wished-for outcome of forcing the victim to have to replace the engine or scrap the car.


However it doesn't "harden and essentially destroy the engine to the point of no repair", which is the common misconception. At worst, it's an annoying inconvenience that may cost a hundred bucks to remedy.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Juan is correct.In roughly 30 years of doing this professionally,I have seen one car that suffered from sugar in the gas tank.It was a 1967 Pontiac Catalina that had enough sugar get into the carb to melt and clog everything.Not going to wipe an engine out in any way.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^What about banana in the tail pipe? Any cases of that?

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Banana or potato in the tailpipe tends to blow out as enough pressure builds up.Worst case if you got it wedged in there tight enough the engine would stop running.No damage though.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^So I should just stick to keying my neighbors' cars, then?

I mean- who said that?!

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Sorry BearSeason,I don't do body work Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

All this debunking makes me wonder if anyone ever done a myths buster bait? It would be funny watching a video of lads trying to figure out if fainting goats really exsist.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I had the idea for a mythbusters bait, but they all involved the risk of injury or death...

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