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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I am currently in correspondence with a gentlemen, communicating with me through a rocketmail email, and with the senders name coming up with his first and last name's initials. Those parts of the picture are dodgy.

He writes in exactly the way scammers do, disjointed hard to follow english, making full use of his attachment to god and how many blessings I should or should not receive in a given day.

The suspected scammer came onto the scene responding to a post in an australian aviation trader magazine, for an old aircraft that he supposedly operates 88 of in a silent christian movement organisation all around the world.

While a lot of scammers are god motivated, what is swimming through my head is the following:

Scammers are people. There is obviously a demographic of people somewhere in the world that naturally type in the way they do, christian referenced abound with impeccable spelling and terrible grammar.

However, the things he is asking about are legitimate. He is talking about some fairly specific aviation topics and is quite keen to have some of his staff inspect the aircraft, not very scammerlike.

a short snippet:

Quote:
Have a GREAT GODLY DAY Damian, and Kindly hank You for your Fast Response.
From which kind of Christian Denomination are you.
It's real good and nice to deal with same kind of type operations.
Are you the Owner of the company.
I am just the Logistic Auditor for 22 regions worldwide.
We are not as yet based in Australia.
Our FAIACM has wordlwide 88 C-207.
We are in the way and possibly make all aircraft as Experimentals.
Board yet not have made final decisions.
We have 11 already converted, using 1/2 fuel per hour, as we use full Ethanol.
Price of Ethanol just US$0.65c a liter.
We can yet use the fuel in all the world, but it's coming that way.
The 3 Pilots for AUS are already ex-QF captains already working for us and ex 1 Tiger, plus 2 more ex-V.B.
Our Maintenance will be Parafield SA and Darwin NT.
About finances, we can talk over the Proposal from you or what kind of ideas would you suggest.
The Operation would start in mid October this year.


I'm not stupid and am staying on the cautious side, but this guy knows his stuff and is the one playing hard ball against my vague responses that may or may not expose him as being totally illegitimate.

Christian movements do exist, people that type like that in every day life with good intentions exist as well. Either he is REALLY good at scamming, or is genuine. [/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Does he mean 88 Casa c-207's?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

lol nah. Cessna 207s
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

OK.

Is he active in Africa somewhere?

At our airport, maintenance is carried out for one ngo, active in Congo - and yes, using Cessna C207's.

The president and the pilots of that ngo are residents in my country, so I could ask them for more info about "your" man?

Or you send me a PM.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Faction Could you post up the headers, please so we can take a look. If you are uncertain as to find headers in the email let us know. We will be glad to help. With the header information we can ascertain his location.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Code:
Received: from nm38-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.148]) by SNT0-MC3-F36.Snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4900);
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Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm38.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2012 18:24:39 -0000
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sunnyvale California?

ipTRACKERonline.com wrote:
Header Analysis Quick Report<br>Originating IP: 98.138.87.7<br>Originating ISP: Yahoo!<br> City: Sunnyvale<br>Country of Origin: United States<br>* For a complete report on this email header goto ipTRACKERonline



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Isn't Sunnyvale the Yahoo location? There may be more in the original header there. I think is is an incomplete header.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Iv'e ip searched every ip in there and they are all originating from the USA. When he called he did say that i where hes from..

the entire source:
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Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; sender-id=none (sender IP is 98.138.91.176) [email protected]; dkim=pass (testing mode) header.d=rocketmail.com; x-hmca=pass
X-SID-PRA: [email protected]
X-SID-Result: None
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X-AUTH-Result: PASS
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Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2012 16:57:19 -0000
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X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: W B <[email protected]>
Reply-To: W B <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: G'Day Madam..
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In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1402361269-573894-1332867439=:16446"
Return-Path: [email protected]
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The only oddity there is the leap wireless out of Houston. The other 3 are yahell.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Faction You said he called. Did he leave you a contact number? If so, is is also a US number?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The Houston IP is the one that's where the originating node's IP normally appears.

Do you have any more info on this fellow? Phone number, format, etc? Also, was that the only e-mail you got from him, or were there more? If there were, could you post the headers from a few more of those as well. A pattern would help us recognize if the Houston IP is coincidental or not.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This may be similar to the BlackBerry thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Not to say that that isn't the case, but with the Blackberry thing, the IP line was tagged:

Quote:
Received: from b25.c16.bise7.blackberry ([email protected] with xymcookie)

The one in this header seems entirely generic.

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"Your father and ur mother...... fool,sorry to say your generation to generation fool may all ur generation never see light Say Amen(blood bastard) Say Amen again..... i mean a loud Amen bastard again....... go crew your self....... dump ass .............."

"you must be a demonic pastor you will soon rot in hell animal"

"i can conveniently employ you , feed you so you start reasoning normal nincompoop like you with your fowl brain. fuck you"

"if you write me a again which means a dog sex your mother to give birth to a maron like you. bastard"

"moron this night the african devils will celebrate your funeral since you are a wasted animal on earth after that and thats all."
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This may be useless, but leap leads to cricket. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_Wireless

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Leap leads to cricket

Sounds like a fake Confucius quote. Laughing

Silly names aside, both of those networks only provide services to US customers, so...

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"you must be a demonic pastor you will soon rot in hell animal"

"i can conveniently employ you , feed you so you start reasoning normal nincompoop like you with your fowl brain. fuck you"

"if you write me a again which means a dog sex your mother to give birth to a maron like you. bastard"

"moron this night the african devils will celebrate your funeral since you are a wasted animal on earth after that and thats all."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It doesn't smell like a fish even if the language looks like a fish. Don't bait until you are sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The email is only 5 months old!!!! Rocketmail email addresses you can check their profile to see how old they are. This one was created 5 months ago. That would make me think it is highly suspicious. Just out of curiosity, when did you first start talking to this guy, or when was the magazine published that contained the ad?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

There are many classified/trading scams out there, and it may very well be the case that a scammer running classifieds happened upon a topic, aviation, he knows a lot about in non-scamming life.

He also could be genuine. Best way to find out is to act as if you presume he is authentic and see if he makes any unusual demands.

Or drop some Igbo slang references in there and see if he does a double take or accepts it offhand...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Doctor Seviche wrote:
Or drop some Igbo slang references in there and see if he does a double take or accepts it offhand...


I would love to see hat he says if you drop ladspeak on him.
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