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dmr.dmr
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I am sure he is a scammer but not quite sure what he is after, have been chatting with him got 2 months now, he says he is from Ohio but moved to MA for a business deal. He buys gold for investors. At first I had no idea he was a scammer, but suspected it shortly after I was trying to get info on another scammer on date hookup. I put a google map on my profile to catch the other one, and he clicked on it and it showed me his ip address wasn't from MA but from elsewhere in U.S. but didn't specify where. Right off I got the sweet nothing emails, and yahoo messenger. When I called him in his location he tried to explain it away, I agreed with him as now my suspicions were up and wanted to know that he was after, he wanted my address early on to surprise me, told him I couldn't as 2 of my children still live at home and I had to think of their safety. He has my cell number and where I work as I didn't suspect at first as had a local number I could call and he called md constantly. He sent me roses, candy, teddy bear and bath beads 2 weeks in a row to my work thru pro flowers. The second with a message will you marry me. The investors up here fell thru. Do then had to go to Baltimore, and these investors were dealing. Now he had to get the gold and his contacts in china had none. He forward me an email from A friend he use to work with saying he has dealt with Africa with much success what were my thoughts, I told him I have been to Nigeria and Ghana with world missions and encountered many scammers and didn't think was a good idea, and I was leaving the country for a bit and would not be able to help him, he asked me 2 countries he should deal with I told him Canada and Australia, he found a company in Canada to deal with but once getting there they roiling have the hold till Dec and his investors were pressuring him, when he came upon the aggremdnt with the Canadian company he sent me the papers to look at and wanted me to sign as a witness, told him I only had my phone so couldn't print the papers and rescan in to send back so he just typed my info in. Then he found a new company in Australia and sent me the acceptance letter, I mentioned going with him on the trip, but he needed me here to accept thd gold bars, when he shipped them I am the only one he trusts. I told him I could not get deliveries at my house as I have a P.O. Box. He said that was fine and only needed my address for notification. I told him I was busy at work, and had to have a clear mind and would discuss later. He called me that night but I blew him off as was busy, haven't heard from him since, but think he tried contacting mr yesterday as I received 3 block calls one after another, which he goes when he calls md from our of the country, I tell him I never pick up on blocked calls. I am not sure what he is after, anyone hear of this scam. He goes by Matt Allison mallison2011 at yahoo.com. I repeated tell him I don't feel like he is real, and he reassures me he is, his web cam never works when he tries to show me, the last time I asked him what color shirt he was wearing, then told him to send me a pic of him, which he did. I am just trying to figure out his game. Any suggestions? All my emails to him are always sent off my cell phone.
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Dorothy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

What you are describing is actually a pretty typical romance scam, and I have no doubt your belief is right.

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He sent me roses, candy, teddy bear and bath beads 2 weeks in a row to my work thru pro flowers. The second with a message will you marry me.

This is a very common scammer tactic. Usually these things are purchased with stolen credit cards, and the scammer uses them as a way to further increase the illusion of a relationship.

Ultimately, the scammer is setting up for his money request. He wants to convince you that he has a legitimate business that will ultimately pay, and by asking you to sign the papers (which is NEVER a good idea, even though in this case they are undoubtedly fake anyway) he wants you to believe that you are part of this business. Then when his funding falls through or he comes up short, it will be your responsibility to make up for the missing funding. If he can't get cash out of you directly, he may instead ask you to receive payments--by check, money order, or bank transfer--and simply forward the cash to him. The problem is, checks/money orders will be fake, and transferred money will be stolen from compromised accounts. In the end, you will be out everything you sent him, and if you have been involved in receiving payments, you could end up facing criminal charges for fraud or money laundering.

Since this scammer does have personal information about you, it is best to cut off all contact. Block him from your messenger, don't take his calls or change your phone number, stop replying to his emails. Continuing with him is not safe--remember he is a criminal. Chances are he will declare his innocence and his undying love for a while, then he may even resort to threatening you. Ultimately, when he realizes he has no chance of getting money from you, he will walk away.

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daTrix
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Gosh this guy sounds like a guy eHarmony matched me with a few years ago. Since he know way to much about me after sending flowers, fruit baskets, and jewelry, I acted like a crazy, jealous shrew. I yelled, ranted and then told him to never call me again and hung up. The credit card he had stolen belonged to a much older and married man. It worked. He never tried contacting me again.

P.S. Mine claimed to be from New Jersey, but his email was always Ghana.
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dmr.dmr
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

When I first suspected I had put a tracker on my profile to alert me where people are located, and was able to get him to click on it, his didn't give an exact location, but did say was in the U.S., which baffled me. When I tracked his header on email, it says Miami, Fl. I did call him on it, and he said was using a old work computer, that's probably why. I never let on I don't believe him. Emails are scarce after that, and when I track the few he sends they come up that he is using AOL. He contacted me through messenger a few days ago and I was short with him, and I think he realized he is losing the closeness that he thought he had with me. Out of the blue he wanted to make love over the computer, I turned him down. Then of course his stomach starting hurting so he quickly left. Heard from him last night and this Place in Australia doesn't have the gold, so I figured he was setting me up for him to go to Africa where he originally wanted to go. I was extremely distant and he was getting worried I was moving on. I did inform him that I quit my job, today is my last day, as I have been setting him up for a while now on that since he knew where I worked, and was leaving tonight for a vacation for a few weeks in Italy. Last night he realized that I am not happy with this relationship and having doubts, and of course he is not happy with that,

mallison2011: You are having too much doubts my dear and i know if you really love someone despite everything you don't develop such doubts for the person

I am just preparing myself for another excuse why you can't meet me

mallison2011: Oh my God! what do you mean i can't meet you? Hun i really don't understand why you keep saying that

mallison2011: For Christ sake i am on a business trip and soon i will be home to meet you dear......I honestly don't know why you keep saying that

mallison2011: come on dear......Please don't say those thing to spoil all that we build and shared together. trust me love i will never waste those precious

mallison2011: all these happy times be in vain

Alright dear I will believe you

mallison2011: My Goodness! How can i just let go all the promises i made to you and all that we've shared together to just like that

mallison2011: All the prayers we shared over the phone, that God should keep this relationship and make it grow stronger, no dear i just can't watch

mallison2011: all these happy times be in vain

I will complete my last day of work today and be on a plane tonight for Italy, this isn't out of the ordinary for me as last month I left the country for my house in the Azores for a month, I think I keep ruining his plans by my sudden trips. Hopefully he will disappear as on this trip I will keep contact scarce.
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daTrix
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He won't just give up. They are all very patient. One (a second from eHarmony), I tried to ignore to death was still trying to IM me for nearly a year. Luckily by then I had grown a bit wiser and used an IM set up just for these turds. So expect his ugly, scamming self to show up every once in a while.
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Dorothy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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Out of the blue he wanted to make love over the computer, I turned him down.


What he wanted was to convince you to "perform" on webcam (he's not the person in the photos, so he would have an excuse to avoid getting on webcam himself), and accepting could have had some very negative consequences for you. There are 2 reasons behind this:
1) to further convince you that you are in a relationship; and
2) to give him a "Plan B" to get your money. He would not hesitate to record the webcam, and blackmail you with threats of posting that webcam or sending it to family and friends. In fact, I recently encountered a scammer who DID publicly post recorded video of a victim, and then demanded money to remove it. She did not pay him (which was the right response), but unfortunately, it actually took months to get all of the video removed--needless to say, it made the whole experience much more traumatic.

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When I tracked his header on email, it says Miami, Fl. I did call him on it, and he said was using a old work computer, that's probably why

Of course that explanation is total BS (it is undoubtedly a proxy or he is logging in through a compromised server)--but in general, it is not a good idea to point things like that out to scammers. When you do that, you remind them to be vigilant about disguising their location.

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Last night he realized that I am not happy with this relationship and having doubts, and of course he is not happy with that,

That statement concerns me a little, because it suggests that some part of you believes that there is a relationship. On the scammer's side, there is no relationship. It is a business transaction for him. He is simply saying and doing whatever he thinks is necessary to keep you on the hook. He will use declarations of love, innocence, or even guilt--whatever it takes--to get your money.

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Hopefully he will disappear as on this trip I will keep contact scarce.

If you are keeping contact with him at all, then you are giving him reason to believe he can still get to you. He is not going to disappear if he still thinks you might pay. If you were a baiter, using anonymous information, this would actually be a good tactic to keep your bait going. But he has your real life information, and he is a criminal. You need to consider safety first. You need to drop him like a hot potato. Cut off ALL contact. Block him from your messenger. Filter his emails to trash. Break all ties.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Dorothy wrote:
In fact, I recently encountered a scammer who DID publicly post recorded video of a victim, and then demanded money to remove it. She did not pay him (which was the right response), but unfortunately, it actually took months to get all of the video removed--needless to say, it made the whole experience much more traumatic


To be blunt, once you've been recorded in any way whatsoever, the chances of it being completely removed are probably non-existant. Not because the video can't/won't be removed but because it's human nature to forward these things on. So lad sends a copy of the video to his mates before it gets taken down, who's mates then sends it on to his mates, who then send it on to their mates, who then... but I'm sure you get the drift by now! Crying or Very sad

If you're baiting a lad in messenger (using fake details that aren't traceable of course), I think webmessenger doesn't have the webcam option. then just tell them you ARE on webcam (if you aren't), and you want to know why they can't access it. it's always the lad's fault

Chrys

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Sorry you have the wrong idea that I somewhat feel I have a relationship with him, I know what he is and have just been playing him along to just keep him off someone else, that was before I found this sight have been dealing with him since August but knew weeks in what he was. The info he does have on me is limited, my work place which he does believe from my conversation last night he believes I quit. And my name, but my last name is linked nowhere to where I live. I try to show that I believe what he says, and act by emotions as if I was in a relationship with him. I am going to block him and change the google number and see if that stops all contact.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

That's the wisest thing to do. This kind of scammer is unlikely to show up on your doorstep, but if he knows you played with him and become angry, he can still cause you some headaches.

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