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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi there everyone,

I am currently in the middle of my very first bait. I will post all details of it once it comes to an end and I am finding it absoloutly hilarious. I had no idea an online community existed like this before.

One thing though, My "lad" keeps rabbiting on and on about God this God that, and is quoting WHOLE passages from the bible to me!?

I have read a few letters and I see this is common.. I just wanted to know if anyone had ANY IDEA why they find this necessary?

Ill post results soon, its my first one, so please forgive any rookie mistakes I make Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to Eater, mattlord!
Yes, the lads love to present themselves as "christians". They think that it makes them seem more genuine and trustworthy. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Matt,
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As ^^^ says.
Welcome. Scammers (lads) have a preconceived opinion that christian religon is uppermost in our societies. To display that they too are heavily religious they hope to convince the victims that scammers have integrity, are trustworthy and honest.

You will find if you question their honesty and whether the scammer is trying to trick your character out of money. The scammer becomes very defensive and will over do the convincing that the deal is honest.

I did that to one particular lad. His reply indicated how stressed he was. He fumbled his words out and so forms part of my siggy. (below). Contains the word trick.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's not just that they pretend to be religious.

Many lads actually consider themselves to be devout Christians, and they attend church every Sunday with absolutely no consciousness of guilt for what they do, and no recognition that it violates the very principles they claim to live by.. In fact, they will even pray for more victims to be delivered to them!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^Because of their belief, I've found that an incredibly effective yet mild slap is to say "I thought that you were a man of God, but I can see that I was mistaken." It's actually gotten me quite a few piggies from reluctant lads.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A lad's religious hypocricrasy knows no bounds. I was recently engaging in a church-related bait. I was contacted by a lad who mistook me for a fellow scammer. He admonished me for having the audacity to use the name of God and a church in a scam format. I was tempted to point out that he's not really one to talk, given that he breaks the seventh commandment for a living but I didn't want to blow my cover.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome. Very Happy

Lads claim to be Christian but also hedge their bets by keeping in with the home-grown belief system known as JuJu. Witchcraft and curses seem to underpin this lad communion with the other world as far as I can make out. God is one thing, but it's always a good idea to keep a foot in both camps just in case. Wink

If you push a lad, you might just get some biblical verse thrown in your general direction. Push harder until he snaps and it's full on Voodoo, Juju Hoodoo, which is something else altogether. Usually involves universal damnation on you and your past and future generations. An appended death threat is a cherry on the top. That's one up to you.

It's always funny asking religious lads that lace their emails be biblical verse if they are religious perchance after twenty or so emails have passed. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:43 am Reply with quoteBack to top

windypops wrote:

Lads claim to be Christian but also hedge their bets by keeping in with the home-grown belief system known as JuJu.


I've witnessed this first hand. It's a common trait amongst some developing countries and when you think about it, it's not really suprising. Christianity is relatively new in an area where native and animist religions have been practiced for thousands upon thousands of years. It's very hard to wipe out millenia of religious tradition in such a short period of time (as little as 100 years and less in some places) and to replace it with a new belief system. It's not really "hedging their bets" - it's just the way things have developed as two belief systems merge and diverge. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's a natural progression in the evolution of religions worldwide.

Too often, we compare our Western systems with those of other areas of the world. You have to remember - what may seem natural to you, can seem totally alien to others. So even though we see the lads as hypocrites regarding religion (and a huge proportion of them are religious), to the lad himself, he's doing nothing wrong. In some areas, the lad can even draw the same assertion about Western Christians - tithing is huge in Africa and an example would be that, as most Westerners don't tithe, they are the one who are hypocrites and not true Christians.

It's all swings and roundabouts. There is no "norm" and we've got to be very careful when we make comparisons or judgements.

By the way, I've also seen the merging of "old" and "new" religion in Asia.
On travelling to a Buddhist temple my guides (who were Buddhists) would stop at each river crossing to make offerings to the native gods for a safe passage.
When I asked why they did this they told me that it was to safeguard their journey to Nirvana. There was no use being a Buddhist if they were drowned by the local gods before they could complete the life that they needed to live to gain Nirvana.
Logically, I have to admit, it made perfect sense.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Lads can really turn on the religious palaver - here's one Lad's chat:

Quote:
Lad: even God almight forgive
Lad: is children when they pray for that
Mal: Remember that I have no religion.
Lad: but i belive in jesus
Lad: pls try and have a religion is very good
Lad: it will help strong in sprirt
Mal: I've seen too much that's bad to believe what they told me in Sunday School.
Lad: tell me
Lad: u can say u dont have a religion becus whta some body did a say
Mal: Sorry, what?
Lad: belive in God is between you and him
Mal: Your point being?
Lad: so pls tell me what did they tell u in subday school
Mal: All about God's love and mercy for the world and now faith does miracles and moves mountains; the baby Jesus and the bliss of true belief.
Lad: belief
Lad: every thing u ask of God he will asnwer u
Mal: That's just wrong.
Lad: is not wrong
Lad: belief or not God is the owner of ur life
Mal: Come on! Do you seriously think that every prayer is answered?
Lad: he can take ur life any time and he can also give u life too
Lad: yes if only u have faith and wait
Lad: God time is the best
Mal: Tell that to the men I saw screaming when they had their limbs and testes blown off. Tell that to the women and children mired in blood. There is no God.
Lad: there is God
Lad: many thing happen every day in the wrold
Lad: killing stilling etc
Lad: so many
Mal: Good and bad. Nature moves in its ways and we move in ours.
Mal: There is no fate but what we make.
Lad: but blive in God he will help u
Lad: any thing u ask he will give u
Lad: big or small
Mal: THERE IS NO GOD.
Lad: there is pls
Mal: That's what I believe.
Lad: are u from a christan home
Lad: i think u need deliverances
Mal: Yes, not that it matters.
Mal: And I don't.
Lad: it matters pls
Mal: Not to me.
Lad: u need prayers so that the sprirt of God will rst up on u
Mal: I don''t need your prayers.
Lad: ok
Lad: but u need jesus in your life
Mal: No I don't.
Lad: that is why is very hard for u to forgive
Lad: and is not good
Mal: Bollocks.
Lad: what is bollocks
Lad: u use big word on me
Mal: A term of derision.
Lad: ok
Lad: the way i am now i am very happy
Mal: O RLY?
Lad: even if u forgive or not
Mal: Wiat.
Mal: Wait.
Lad: becus u make understand so many thigs in life
Lad: ty u for that
Lad: i will aways remmber u and pray for
Lad: for God to give more long life and pace and also give u the power strenth for u to belief him
Lad: 1 thing i belive in my life thing happen for good to know ur mistake in life.
Lad: you make cool now and have respect to every bodu around me
Lad: i respect you alot
Lad: even things do not work out according to way i was expecting i still thank God and belive 1 day my life will change for good
Lad: and any thing i will do u can still advise me and give me direction.


Quote:
Lad: dont you know jesus i biger than every thing
Mal: You'll have to forget about him.
Lad: he is my savour
Lad: even if u dont help me i still belive in him.
Lad: jesus is ur creator
Mal: Only is you give up all religion will I help you.
Lad: u know i can not do that.the God i belive will make a way for me when there is no way.
Lad: since this is what you to help i can not do that
Lad: so we can be as friends
Lad: if you are the one God sent to help me it will come to pass
Mal: That's too bad.
Mal: So no to God - any and all gods - or we finish here.
Lad: if you say so let it be but i pray God should help u to change ur mind before you die
Lad: so that you will enter his kindom after dead
Mal: Goodbye then.
Lad: i know 1 day you will remmber what i told u
Mal: You'd better tell Dr Koffi that you screwed up.
Lad: mark this day you will live to remmber what i told u
Lad: u will look for me
Mal: Like hell I will.
Lad: not for help not for any thing but for the word of God
Lad: hell is not potion inn jesus name amen
Lad: pls say amen
Lad: i have never see any body like u in my life before
Lad: change change God is clling you
Mal: Well, you hang around with the sheeple.
Lad: any how u put it i dont mind since i belive in him i am ok
Lad: even if i dont eat no body to help but God is there for me
Mal: And look where you are now. Looks like belief in God did you no favors.
Lad: with time God will show that i am his true father
Lad: he is a true father
Mal: Some fathers can be very cruel.
Lad: u mean u jesus is cruel
Mal: So you say that Jesus and God are equals?
Lad: no matter what happenes to you u need to belive in him so that you will have enterna life
Lad: jesus is the son of God
Mal: Do you believe that Jesus and God are equals.
Mal: Yes or no?
Lad: before you can get to God you must see jesus to pass ur message to him
Mal: Sounds painful!
Lad: no is not painfu.
Lad: just becus of materal things i should forget my God
Mal: And I thought Jesus was something to adore, and now you say he's a door. Live and learn.
Lad: God will send a help to me and if you are the once you will help me
Mal: I'm not Neo.
Lad: and if u are not is ok by God
Lad: how old are u now
Mal: 43.
Lad: that you dont belive in God
Lad: u still have to time change ur mind or
Mal: What does my age have to do with it?
Lad: come to God
Lad: and every thing will be add onto ur life
Lad: sicknes nor more pains no more
Mal: Religious people get sick all the time.
Lad: joy will be ur potion peace blessings
Lad: at time u sound very funny
Mal: O RLY?
Lad: is normal thing human been can go sick
Mal: I know that, and religion does nothing to stop it.
Lad: so since ur birth u dont belongs to any reliogion
Mal: I was raised to be a Christian, but I grew up.
Lad: yes
Mal: I grew out of religion.
Lad: i pary God should arest u and God to show him self to you that he is your God and God should forgive u.i jeusu name amen
Lad: pls say amen
Mal: Arrest me?
Lad: i know God will bless u and u belive in him
Lad: yes
Lad: i amvery happy today
Mal: No I don't.
Lad: why
Lad: u need to be happy
Lad: pls
Mal: I'm happy without believing in Pie In The Sky.
Lad: no matter the condition we should give thanks to God since i am alive i hope God will help me
Mal: You can give all the gorram thanks that you want.
Lad: since u are not God i am very happy becus you can not stop my blessing.
Lad: with God all things are possiable.
Lad: i pray every thing should be possiable in ur life
Mal: O RLY? Try stopping a bullet with prayers.
Mal: It doesn't work.
Lad: it works pls
Lad: try and go to church
Lad: listen to the word of God
Mal: No it doesn't. Only steel or kevlar can be relied on.
Lad: but i know u will come to God 1 day
Lad: i will meet dr.kofffi tommrow moorning that both of us has come to agreement. he should take off ur name from the file till i fine some body that has fear of God to help me
Lad: b ut i will always remmber u and pls do not forget u have a friend here
Mal: That's the other thing; fear of God. Do you like being afraid?
Lad: pls let me know d day u will change ur mind and belive God
Lad: so that i will give glory to God here
Lad: are u not afraid to die
Lad: if u are not then wlak into a moving car and see what will happen to u?
Lad: if u are not afraid
Lad: since u dont belive any reliogion then u have ur own power or are u the creator of ur life no.
Lad: think pls think pls.
Mal: ... I am not some sort of dumbass suicide freak. Do you think I survived tours in both Gulf Wars just to throw my life away? I hope you're not that dumb!
Lad: that is what u want to be
Lad: i am ok now that i know where i am standing
Mal: What the Sam Frick are you talking about?
Lad: nothing.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I sometimes like to use bible verses in my baits to gain their tusts, star wars quotes work too

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi mattlord, and welcome to Eater.

You're sure it's a lad? Has he offered you the deal of a lifetime in some way, or a loan of some sorts?

The reason I ask is that he could be one of those "internet preachers", who spams mailboxes with long bible quotes, End of Days rants and other religious stuff, and your lad sounds like he may be one of those. If he doesn't offer you some kind of deal, which you only have to send him a small fee in order to close, then chances are he's not a lad at all.

A good rule is: look for the scam. If you can't see a scam, then drop him.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

TheDane wrote:
If he doesn't offer you some kind of deal, which you only have to send him a small fee in order to close, then chances are he's not a lad at all.


We call those "beggars" and we do not bait them.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ Yeah, and in the case of internet preachers, they're not even beggars - they're just nutcases, and if there was a law against that, 75% of the Eater population would not even be here. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^

I'd say more like 95%

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Jim Morrison wrote:
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^^ may the dolla chop be with you

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Note to Mods - this is not an attack on the religious.

What you have to remember is that they believe what they say. I watched some documentaries. One was Derren Brown in the States pushing a Fake faith healer, the other was an Unreported World meeting Evangelicals in Nigeria. There was very little to chose between them. That to get rich you have to give loads of dosh to the pastor. Seed giving or something like that. A complete and utter con, but countless people believed it.

When you look at some religions and beliefs to us they seem totally crackpot. Yet, obviously some will believe it. A while ago someone said about the flat earthers and the square earthers. Utterly bonkers and in need of therapy but they actually believe it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome mattlord. Didn't realize you would start such an interesting topic huh?

I look at the lad religion like the religion of the gangsters of the 1930s. They would do their deeds and give large amounts to church or charity to assuage their guilt.

@TheDane, are you saying we are nutcases? Sheesh!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for explaining the religiousity of lads.

Last bait, I asked a scammer where in the bible Jesus says you will burn in hell for eternity if you are not saved by him (which is a trick question). He came back very quickly with a quote from Revelation. I had plans to drag him out on this issue, but he got jack of me when I kept posting him 10MB junk pdf files.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I love the fact that Sundays are generally a Lads day off. From my experience there is usually no contact from them on Sunday whether it be via e-mail or telephone. Whether or not they are attending church services or sleeping off a hangover depends on the Lad I'm guessing and their actual religious affiliation.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ParaNoid wrote:
@TheDane, are you saying we are nutcases? Sheesh!


You want me to answer that? Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh, go ahead Dane, you know you want to!!! Wink Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok... yes, that's what I'm saying.

Myself included.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

TheDane wrote:
Myself included.


Yup, takes one... Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Morgain Le Fay wrote:
TheDane wrote:
If he doesn't offer you some kind of deal, which you only have to send him a small fee in order to close, then chances are he's not a lad at all.


We call those "beggars" and we do not bait them.



Er, are you saying that a lad can come at you with a 419 scam, and after requesting your passport and driver's license (after 2 emails), that he could turn out to be someone not worth baiting?
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