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 Ever encounter this attitude from lads?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

He accuses you of not being "serious," accusing you of dishonesty, or otherwise suspecting you of being a baiter. Then you get a bunch of emails saying stuff like, "come on, let's get this done, send the money today" as if you were funning with them before and now suddenly you want to do the transaction for real.

I never admit to any dishonesty and usually slap the lad for suggesting it, and of course I've never admitted I'm a baiter. But I usually don't try to play too hard with those who continue to doubt me--it's pointless to go on if you've lost trust.

What amazes me though is the attitude of lads. I mean, if they suspect someone is a "joker," why would they expect you to change gears and suddenly become a legit victim?

I think it's more than just desperation, probing for money on the off chance they can get it (as lads tend to do). The lads who have done this to me seriously seem to believe that they can eventually convince me to go along with them.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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why would they expect you to change gears and suddenly become a legit victim?


Money, money as you already said, they can never be sure if....... so I walk the line and as long as I answer his emails he keeps thinking that I might be legit and will pay (in spite of all the problems I create Laughing )

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've wondered if Lads who do that aren't trying to scare or browbeat you into falling into line. It's like the "if you are not serious, please send a power of attorney* saying that you sometimes encounter if the Lad doesn't get his way.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think the previous correspondents have summed it up. They can't be 100% sure, especially if its a straight bait and they think a bit of probing may pay dividends. As you wrote, admit nothing and act like the injured party. Even if they still don't believe you I have found that some kind of recovery script often follows referring to the failure of the previous transaction.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Many times I've pissed off a lad and thought for sure it was over. Then I poke them a day or 2 later and they say "well if you are really serious" go send the funds.

I think they do it out of desperation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I’ve gotten a few, I would agree that the greed keeps them going.

I am guessing he cast his line out and you are one of the few or the only person who responded.

They can send out thousand a day, and maybe he thought he could be more picky, but he can’t.

Still with this said remember a mugu can never be too hooked

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

My most recent completed bait shows this behavior is very common. If you don't follow their script exactly, they accuse you of being a joker. I straight bait and turn the tables on them for not following a safe way to send the money. My latest is a banker. I sent the money by WU. I sent the test question and answer by email. I sent the MCTN and sender name by FAX to the real bank he mentioned. He accused me of being a joker after he told me the fax is not working. I accused him of not working at the bank because the bank faxed me back with the correct form I needed to open an account because I was overseas. I implied the Fax was working fine and the reply proved it. We would not want the money to fall into the wrong hands now would we? Very Happy I took every precaution to ensure the money could not be picked up by someone else at the bank because the fax lacked the test question and answer. A spy on my email could not steal the money because the sender name and MCTN was sent to the bank at the number he gave me (on the letterhead, verified with google).

He can claim joker, but I left him wondering.. Joker or taking proper security because the email is not secure.

Try to anticipate the lad's next few moves. Lay all money transfer failures on him because he is not doing something right. Play straight.

I ended up faxing the bank the rest of the info and using the WU transfer to open my new bank account. The lad is PISSED. He could not get the fax sent to him at the bank.

The lad did not ask for a scanned receipt. If he did, I had one ready with the MCTN and Sender name blacked out. Don't send copies unless absolutely necessary. They re-use good scans for other scams.

Relax, the bank fax is ficticious along with the WU transfer.

#1 rule.. Don't send money.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I just tell them "YOU are the joker. Or maybe even a fraudster! Don't mail me back, until you decide to get serious."

After a few weeks, they're back...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Agent1002

"#1 rule.. Don't send money."

REALLY?!?! When did this start? This place and its rules.

Oh wait, you said money, not monkeys

Never mind.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

there's a subtle but effective means of influencing people that relies on incongruity followed by suggestion - give someone a slight "wtf?" moment then tell them something you want to believe fairly rapidly afterwards, the suggestion is taken up almost without question. I'm not sure how it works, it's as if the mind founders for a second and grabs the nearest thing to it that seems comprehensible (even if it isn't sensible). It's more commonly used that you'd think. Look for it in advertisments. It's there, look, clowns!! trust me.

lads use it too, even if only unconciously, and like most of their tools you can use it on them. Try it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Proof the lad will often return

30 September
Quote:
Hi Sarah,

You were never interested in this transaction , you have been playing games even with the passport thing. If you believe you it guy good, keep your money we don't need it.

Sincerely,
Vinko


My other baiting character with this lad drops out so..

10 October
Quote:
Hi Sarah,

My boss wants a formal note from you stating you back out of this transaction because he says the legal documents are ready and if to be corrected he needs a note from you that you are no longer interested. Please do that and get back to me.

Sincerely,
Vinko


17 October. He even consults Wikipedia to prove he is living in Hong Kong and answers some questins I posed which caused his strop in the first place. (IP = Nigeria).

Quote:
Hi Sarah,

Here are answers to your questions.

1. Mid - Autumn Festival Monday 12 September 2011

2. Nathan Road is the main thoroughfare in Kowloon, Hong Kong that goes in a south-north direction from Tsim Sha Tsui to Mong Kok. It is lined with shops, restaurants and tourists, and was known in the post-World War II years as the Golden Mile, a name that is now rarely used.

3. Mass Transit Railway (MTR)

4. Tian Tan Buddha, which is also known as the Big Buddha, is a large bronze statue of a Buddha, completed in 1993, and located at Ngong Ping, Lantau Island, in Hong Kong. The statue is located near Po Lin Monastery.

Sincerely,
Vinko

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I get the impression that a lot lads tend to misunderstand the purpose of us "jokers", and seem to think that we're genuine victims who do indeed believe there is a trunkbox/dying widow's inheritence/etc waiting for us, but we're just trying to get out of paying the initial fees they're asking for. And so if they stay persistant and keep on pressing for money, eventually we may just give up on trying to trick them out of their millions of dollars and just pay the fee.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:11 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ @ Bort: yes, this is exactly the impression I get.

I'm none too eager to dispel this impression either. It's clear they don't understand us, which means we have more power over them. Wink

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