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vebent
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello everyone. Been lurking for a couple of days and now a first time poster. I just finally got my first scam. Unfortunately it was in my personal email and not my baiting email. Either way, what I did was replied back to him in my scambaiting email. Just in hopes of throwing him off. Here's the email he sent me...

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THE PEPSI COMPANY OFFICIAL PRIZE NOTIFICATION

Dear Winner,

We are pleased to inform you of the result of the just concluded annual final draws held today by Pepsi Bottling Company in conjunction with the British Online Lottery, which won you the sum of 250,000 pounds.

Your e-mail address registered to ticket number: 56475600545 188 with Serial number 5368/02 won you the sum of 250,000 pounds in a BANK CERTIFIED CHECK, credited to file: BOL/9023118308/03

Email addresses where randomly selected by a ballot system picked from a large mass of email addresses from Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, Hi5, Match and other well known social networks and email providers.

However, no tickets were sold but all email addresses were assigned to different ticket numbers for representation and privacy.

For Claims, Contact:
=============================================
Dr. Carter Savage
E-mail: [email protected]
Phone: +44 704 574 2548
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Provide him with your full names, contact information, ticket number and Serial number.

Accept my hearty Congratulations!

Your Faithfully
Mrs Steffan .K. Lloyds
ONLINE CO-ORDINATOR


So of course I replied back to him, but using my scambaiting email...

Quote:
Dear Dr. Carter Savage,

My name is Charles Arizonatee. Recently I received and email about your drawing from your company, Pepsi Bottling Company, which is working with the British Online Lottery. Unfortunately I have to use this email due to the fact that my other email is for business purposes only. I'm replying to you because for one, I am actually really glad that a US company is working with a foreign government agency to distribute currency to a US citizen. It makes me excited that two countries can definitely work together.

The other reason I'm emailing you is because at this time, I cannot accept the 250,000 pounds that the Pepsi Bottling Company. You see, my company, Starwhares Unlimited, is currently working on a project of massive proportion in Beijing right now. It's taking a lot of man hours from us and they are asking us to find any sort of artists for this project. I don't know if you know anyone that is currently local to you that is some sort of artist, but if you do know someone, that would be much appreciated.

The current project we need finished is a painting of the US President, Barack Obama. It can be any picture, just as long as the painting is 24 inches wide and 36 inches tall. This project pays $2,000(US) plus any expenses. This project has to be brought to my manager within a matter of 1 week in order for us to pay the person in sort of monetary earnings. So please, if you know anyone that is a great artist feel free to let us know.

I can't wait to hear back from you.

Thank you,
Charles Arizonatee


So, I need to know. Am I doing this right? I'm a beginner. So any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellow 419eaters.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It's better to keep your first reply very short as they rarely ever read them. Their only concern is that someone replied and they will automatically send the next letter in their script.

Just keep replying in short sentences they will run out of their script (usually 2-4 pages), then you can start having fun.

Reply to the lad as if you are actually interested and have no idea that it is a scam. Ask lots of question and do not let the lad proceed to the next step until he has answered your questions to your satisfaction. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to Eater!

The way I handled a lottery scam (you can see it in the published forum) is like this: The lad offered a choice of flying to London or sending a delivery fee by WU. He wants me to send the fee and tried everything to dissuade me from flying, but I insisted, then some problems popped up at the airport.

There's no need, on your initial reply, to tell the lad that you're using a different email address.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:05 am Reply with quoteBack to top

To stall for more time, play out both option angles. Tell him that you'll let his lawyer handle the fee for you. Play that out as long as you possibly can until it runs out of steam.

After it runs out of steam and sending the money just isn't working out, THEN tell him that you will fly over there to pick up the money. Play that out as long as possible with all the quirks and twists.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@jose_cuervo Since I didn't keep it short this time, do you think the lad didn't fall for it? I'll make sure to keep your tips in mind.

@vonpaso xlura Yeah, I didn't realize about the email until later. I guess lads don't care who they scam.

@GoRideEmCowboy Should I have him meet me somewhere that he can barely make it to? You know... get him stranded?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A good response though I would agree that keep your first email short. Also it might be helpful if you act a “bit dense”, but you think you’re really smart.

Points I would bring up:

Sorry I can’t win because you drink another brand of soft drink

“250,000 pounds” pounds of what? Pepsi?

This “BOL/9023118308/03” is not my bank account number and where did you try to get my bank account number.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The first 5 or 10 emails, it really doesn't matter what you say because the lad will never read it. You can tell the lad that you're the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler living in a grotto filled with replicas of the Hope Diamond and they won't ever see it.

My advice: string the lad along with minimal replies until about email 10 or 15. When he starts pestering you to call him, make a very brief call on Skype or some other non-traceable phone service. When he hears your voice you've hooked him. Then he'll start getting off script. Set up your main character, your plot and have a clear idea of where you want the bait to go. After that he'll be eating out of your hand and he will accept any lie from you, however outrageous, so long as you pretend like you want to get the transaction done as soon as possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Vebent, Smile

If at any time you feel you are losing him. Do not worry there are plenty of lads in the mire.
If you do not want to lose him then use the magic wand. Wave money.
The money wand will have him jumping through hoops.

Cheers and have fun Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It can take a little while, and lotto lads are notoriously lazy.

^ the truth is up there: the first few emails will be ignored, wait until he has wheeled out his barristers and fund managers and so on then start working on him.

Also, very wealthy people didn't get there by being easy to scam .. your perfect victim has a few thousand in the bank and is easily led. Don't set your stall out straight away, simply reply without giving too much away, and see what sort of character your lad seems to think you are. then just play along.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

One guideline not TMI (too much information) in the first few responses or replies to that lad. Unless it is a very different bait which might require something different,

Don't give them TMI at first
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One response one question per day from you to the lad. Some of my lad's don't hear a response from me for a day or two and they are still around receiving one sentence each time from me. If their script changes I might give them 2 or 3 sentences.

And my own personal baiting philosophy is not using WU or MG, but go straight for the bank accounts -- because I like using my persona as international wire transfer specialist at a "private" bank.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Damn double post...sorry. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ @Morgain:

Good show. I always try to get bank details before doing WU and MG. Not only can you kill a bank by sending it to Alan, but after you bollox up a wire transfer, WU or MG will seem like a "last resort." You can also waste a lot of time trying to set up a bank wire transfer, especially by using wiring deadlines. In real life banks have to wire funds in or out before a certain time of day. Your bank's wire transfer deadline was 11:00 AM today. Oops, you're emailing him at 11:02 on a Friday...looks like the deal is delayed til Monday! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

On “losing” a mugu, many times they just change scripts a bit down the road.

they'll be back Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Canadon Alfa Most US banks have a 4 pm cutoff time, then it is good to keep track of all bank holidays in different countries. I use this link (below) to track various holidays and use it to my benefit. Of course I have a wire transfer form they must complete and attach their photo ID to it as per (US) Red Flags Rule (a RL law). I cite the RFR on my wire transfer form for authenticity.

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=194876&highlight=red+flag+rule

Then the bank, of course, destroys the wire transfer slip so it cannot be used again and it gets shredded -- Ops, forgot to give the lad a copy, well will dig it out of the shredder and take a pic of the pieces so maybe he can tape/cello back together. Or if it did not get shredded coffee or tea was spilled on it -- I can do that and then scan -- it will be quite useless because I like strong Navy coffee. Wink Wink

http://www.qppstudio.net/publicholidays.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

vebent wrote:
@jose_cuervo Since I didn't keep it short this time, do you think the lad didn't fall for it? I'll make sure to keep your tips in mind.


No worries. He will send the 2nd part of his script no matter what you write in your opening email. Even a small boy (low level scammer) knows he has to reply if he wants a chance at the money. Laughing

My guess is that the lads don't get a very high percentage of replies to their emails (this is completely speculation on my part). Thus the reason for sending out thousands upon thousands of emails. If only 1% of the addys reply, they would have to send out 10k emails to get 100 replies. Of the 100 replies they may only have 1 or 2 good prospects. If they don't follow up on every reply, they greatly reduce their chance of a payday.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

2,000 is a little low for a painting. Don't be afraid to offer large sums of money. It's imaginary after all. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi vebent. Welcome to 419Eater

This is a tutorial on the Psychology and Art of Straight Baiting by a Master.

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147262

Long read but well worth it. Helps to keep the bait on track. I refer to it often during baits.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:12 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@ Morgain La fay:

I like that Red Flag Rule. I may use that.

4PM wire cutoff? BAH! My banks are lazy and stop sending transfers at 11AM. That's so the bankers can go off and have their 6-martini lunches and know they won't have to work for the rest of the afternoon. Wink

Seriously, I've used wire cutoff times to whipsaw lads something fierce, especially if you can get more than one "bank" involved in your bait (i.e., your character wants the money to come from two separate banks so as to avoid filling out a Currency Transaction Report). Tell the lad one bank has an 11AM wire deadline and the other 2PM, and they're in different time zones. You give the order for the transfer at noon on a Friday. Ooops! We missed the second bank's deadline...looks like we'll have to wait until Monday.

Oh, wait, I forgot, Monday is a Jewish holiday and the bank is closed. Tuesday, then! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

There's no Jewish holiday tomorrow (today is Sunday here). Yom Kippur (10th day of the 7th month of the Hebrew calendar) is today on the observational calendar (observed by a small minority), yesterday on the precalculated calendar. The next Jewish holiday is the start of Sukkot, which is the 15th of the 7th month.

Banks in the USA are closed tomorrow for Columbus Day (aka Día de la Raza), which is actually October 12, but is celebrated on Monday here.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Jewish holiday? Er, I meant Ramadan...or no, actually the bank is closed because the Federal Reserve is auditing their account...or, the bank is closed because the Fed chairman from 1952 died yesterday and we must honor him...or the bank is closed because a water main busted in the street outside...or, it was robbed and the police are investigating...anyway, the bank is always closed.

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