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Hello I'm New here! Joined: 23 Aug 2011 Posts: 15

How can i get my lad arrested, while i do not do anything really illegal.

I really think he would send a funny email to me after he gets home, i just have no clue on how to trick him.

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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:21 pm

Getting a lad arrested if very hard, especially in West Africa. And almost impossible to ever prove, especially in West Africa.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 23 Aug 2011 Posts: 15

shucks, i was hoping there was a trick. I guess getting them to go to the bank with disturbing deposit slips is the best i can do...

Now i'm sad....

Baiting Guru Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 21158

The best example I can recall at present happened in the massbait with Shorty.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:35 pm

^^^ Thanks for remembering it, NV. That was a total accident. A very, very happy accident. Laughing

But believe me, it was practically impossible to prove. No exaggeration.

RRMF -- It can happen, but usually it is something like your lad is detained by the border patrol or similar on a safari. (Although lads lie about this all the time, so you can't believe them just because they say it.) Even if it can't be proved, it still is fun to know, if true.

There used to be a bank that baiters sent lads to that did get the scammers arrested when they brought in fake payment documents. I don't even remember what bank it was or what country it was (I think Ghana?) and don't know if they are still proactive. Maybe someone else remembers which branch it was. Confused

Baiting Guru Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 21158

How could I forget that one? That is a novel in the works and I can't leave it alone!

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:00 pm

^^ branch, Accra Very Happy

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:06 pm

@RRMF

Getting a lad arrested is probably the ultimate in baiterdom. Check out how many members sport a shield in their siggys- ain't too many is there?

Start low and work your way up. I cannot emphasise just how lazy lads are and how much they will lie.

Hello I'm New here! Joined: 23 Aug 2011 Posts: 15

FrumpyBB wrote:

^^ branch, Accra Very Happy

and he will get booked for trying to collect money with fake papers?
? Is there a fake payment doc template for that bank? or will anything due as long as its made out to that bank?

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:23 pm

^^^ All we can say is it worked in the past. I don't remember the last time someone posted it worked though. Any more than that, you will have to find out yourself.

And please take seriously what music man posted. I can assure you that every new baiter that joined Eater and wanted to get a lad arrested or send them on a long safari to Timbuktu or get the world's biggest tattoo very fast, without putting in a lot of work, was sorely disappointed.

Take your time and learn about baiting and lads. There's no rush cause they aren't disappearing unfortunately.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:29 pm

^^ Deuzer's form generators will do the job for you Very Happy

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:02 pm

It took 2 years of solid baiting before Hector got arrested in Egypt for a fake visa. We had the <strike>foresight</strike> great luck to send him there just before the uprising against Mubarak took root.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:14 pm

So you admit that you were behind the Mubarak uprising, eh bo? Overthrowing a government just to get your lad arrested. Just goes to show the lengths baiters will go! Laughing

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:48 pm

If you can get him to walk into the EFCC headquarters and yell: "I'm a scammer!" then you may get lucky Wink

In all seriousness, if you can find out what Internet cafe your guy goes to along with his picture, then all it takes after that is sending a little tip to the EFCC, along with all of the conversations you had with him. Sending the EFCC some audio clips may also help distinguish his voice from others.

I don't think the EFCC will go on a hunt for only one individual however. If there is a gang involved, then hey, go for it. It is a better incentive for them to go for a group rather than an individual.

Personally, if I was in the EFCC, I would run sting operations 7 days a week. Getting to mess with scammers is one thing... but to arrest them as well? That's awesome. PLUS you get paid.

I would also go to baiters for help with catching and identifying violaters of 419...

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:44 pm

JimBoy wrote:

In all seriousness, if you can find out what Internet cafe your guy goes to along with his picture, then all it takes after that is sending a little tip to the EFCC, along with all of the conversations you had with him. Sending the EFCC some audio clips may also help distinguish his voice from others.

I don't think the EFCC will go on a hunt for only one individual however. If there is a gang involved, then hey, go for it. It is a better incentive for them to go for a group rather than an individual.

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did you hear it from someone else?

You are far more likely to get a lad to fly to Antarctica than you are to get the EFCC involved with a "case" based on baiter information.

Please do not waste your time, or the EFCC's, forwarding them info on any lads. None of the info, that a baiter would be able to provide, would be of any use to the EFCC. 99% of the time, you will have false info on your lad. The other 1% of the time, it will be incomplete and/or completely useless for prosecuting anyone.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:54 pm

^^ Getting a lad to Antartica - well that's a nice idea.
Is there any special icon for that ? Laughing

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:57 pm

/\/\/\ I can guarantee a Golden Pith

for that.

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:12 am

jose_cuervo wrote:

Did you make that up all by yourself, or did you hear it from someone else?

You are far more likely to get a lad to fly to Antarctica than you are to get the EFCC involved with a "case" based on baiter information.

Please do not waste your time, or the EFCC's, forwarding them info on any lads. None of the info, that a baiter would be able to provide, would be of any use to the EFCC. 99% of the time, you will have false info on your lad. The other 1% of the time, it will be incomplete and/or completely useless for prosecuting anyone.

I agree with you Jose. I think that a majority of the time - there is an insufficient amount of substantial information that would prove worthy to an EFCC officer. Your right about a majority of cases going unpunished because of lack of evidence, so I have to give you that as well.

Please understand that I only endorse sending complaints to the EFCC under the circumstance that there is a sufficient amount of evidence present to justifiably investigate the scammer. There is a difference between hardcore evidence and worthless evidence, such as a real ID that matches the face of the guy a victim spoke to on a recorded video chat along with the location of the computer, versus worthless fake ID's and fake names. We all know that tips alone cannot send someone to jail. But all we really need is an investigation, which can lead to a prosecution. It is stated that by virtue of Section 35(1)(c) of the 1999 Constitution of Nigeria, the constitutional threshold for arrest is "reasonable suspicion" that the arrestee has committed a criminal offense. So as long as the tip is accurate, then it shouldn't be a problem. All the authorities need to know is a credible, reliable source that a Mr. "X" is doing "Y" and does it in "Z".

So I have to disagree with you that giving a tip to the EFCC about someone illegally committing a crime in their jurisdiction is a waste of their time. But I'll always agree with you that's it's a waste of their time if the information is false or insufficient.

I got this from the EFCC Website, which I think some of you may find useful.

Quote:

Have you been scammed or defrauded? The most common way of accepting cases by EFCC is through a petition written by an individual or organization. The petition will be evaluated and if the case falls within the purview of the commission's mandate, it will be accepted for investigation and possibly prosecution. Petitions that do not fall within the purview of the commission are sent to the appropriate agency, be it the Nigeria Police Force, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), Independent Corrupt Practices and other related offences Commission, Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), etc. Members of the public can also send complaints electronically to the commission email address: [email protected].

Looks like it's a petition sort of deal. Although the above paragraph is targeted to victims of these crimes, there is an email hotline available for complaints.

P.S. I also second the motion of getting a scammer to go to Antartica. Very Happy

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:16 am

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 586

I think Jim Boy makes a good point. Of course some of you more experienced baiters might think its crazy. Would it hurt to try and report these scammers to this org from time to time. People and orgs are subject to change from time to time. Worth a try? Especially if there is enough evidence? and reports?

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:01 am

Unless you send the lad money, which we obviously don't recommend Wink

, then the lad has not stolen anything and no crime has been committed. No law enforcement agency, especially in west Africa, is going to act on an attempted scam.

If you're lucky your lad may run afoul of the law by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but even that is extraordinarily difficult to arrange in a bait. Even if you told your lad to rob a bank at gunpoint (not that we'd recommend such a thing!), the odds of him following through are nil.

Don't expect miracles, but keep baiting and learning and trying new things. Maybe you'll get lucky.

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 586

^^^^ Good advice! I think I would definately send $20.00 to a scammer if I thought he would get arrested.

Baiting Guru Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 4747

Getting them arrested directly for 419 would be extremely difficult for the reasons mentioned also I really haven’t seen it (419 fraud) become that much of a issue for most law enforcement.

It would be more likely to get them arrested on related charges. Like vagrancy, if you send you mugu off on Safari without the proper resources. Or causing a high level of stress and/or mental anguish and your mugu flip out. But it’s even more unlikely you’d ever find out. A personal goal of mine, is to have one of my mugus freak out and trash the cyber café.

Considering everything arrest are nice but it could be just important to get them in trouble with his associates.

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:19 am

There is no crime being committed when you are baiting a lad. Period, the end. Unless you have sent the lad money, you are not a victim of a scam, regardless of what you find buried on the EFCC website.

ETA> Ninja'd by Juan

bigdaddy wrote:

I think I would definately send $20.00 to a scammer if I thought he would get arrested.

Then you are not a baiter, you are a victim. Have you been to our sister site www.scamwarners.com ? Wink

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:59 am

Juan Freizwidatt wrote:

Unless you send the lad money, which we obviously don't recommend Wink

, then the lad has not stolen anything and no crime has been committed. No law enforcement agency, especially in west Africa, is going to act on an attempted scam.

If you're lucky your lad may run afoul of the law by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but even that is extraordinarily difficult to arrange in a bait. Even if you told your lad to rob a bank at gunpoint (not that we'd recommend such a thing!), the odds of him following through are nil.

Don't expect miracles, but keep baiting and learning and trying new things. Maybe you'll get lucky.

Hey Juan,

Your right. Physically attaining and attempting to attain property through illegal pretenses are different things in the Nigerian Penal Code. But don't worry - we still have hope.

Now I ain't no lawyer, but if you will allow me to whip out this Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud and other Fraud Related Offenses Act from: http://www.nigerialaw.org/Advance%20Fee%20Fraud%20and%20other%20Fraud%20Related%20Offences%20Act%202006.htm

In the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud and other Fraud Related Offences Act of 2006 (most recent) Part 1 lists a total of 11 offenses which can be charged upon an individual for fraud. These charges are defined under the same Part I of the Nigerian "Advance Fee Fraud and other Fraud Related Offences Act" of 2006.

These charges include:

(The blue text represents a situation that a baiter will often witness and thus be able to prove. The red text represents a situation that an average baiter is assumed not to witness or be able to prove. The black text represents "Not Applicable".)

1.Obtaining property by false pretence, etc (1. (2.) A person who by false pretence, and with the intent to defraud, induces any other person, in Nigeria or in any other country, to confer a benefit on him or on any other person by doing or permitting a thing to be done on the understanding that the benefit has been or will be paid for commits an offence under this Act.)

2.Other related offenses (Person with intent to defraud to claim he can make any currency note out of a piece of paper with juju stuff or counterfeiting. Not really applicable to us.)

3.Use of premises (Not applicable to scammers, but rather to Internet cafe owners who knowingly allow scammers to commit fraud)

4.Fraudulent invitation. (4.   A person who by false pretence, and with the intent to defraud any other person, invites or otherwise induces that person or any other person to visit Nigeria for any purpose connected with the commission of an offence under this Act commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not more than 20 years and not less than seven years without the option of a fine.)

5.Receipt of fraudulent document by victim to constitute attempt. (5.   Where a false pretence which constitutes an offence under this Act is contained in a document, it shall be sufficient in a charge of an attempt to commit an offence under this Act to prove that the document was received by the person to whom the false pretence was directed.)

6.Possession of fraudulent document to constitute attempt. (Fake documents)

7.Laundering of fund obtained through unlawful activity, etc.

8.Conspiracy, aiding, etc. (lad to lad talk about crimes and how to commit crimes, ect.)

9.Conviction for alternative offences. (other stuff)
The last two charges do not apply.

So it looks like that obtaining property through false pretenses isn't the only crime applicable. We can nail these guys eh?

I can't believe I found that reading Nigerian Law Code was enjoyable. But for now, I must retire and attend to my studies.

Edit: Part I, Section 1., Point (1), subscript c. Indicates that "Notwithstanding anything contained in any other enactment or law, any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud obtains any property, whether or not the property is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence, commits an offence under this Act."

Thus one with the intent to defraud under false pretenses is committing a crime.

Jim