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Hary.H
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Morning all.

Fear not this guy is definitely a scammer he pulled my email from a guest book as thats the only place i left it. I dont mind stringing him along for emails but i have something devious planned and i need to be 100% sure anyone got an idea of how i can change things around to get him to ask for some money or something so i can "nail" him good.

Here is the story so far. I have highlighted any funny phrases there are some classics pls enjoy.

Quote:
How are you today.how is your Family,And how is your work?I wish to contact you in this way,but you will have to forgive me as you do not know me before.I am seeking for a serious relationship or friendship.I have had so much bad and sad ending relationship in my past which made me fade up for about 7years now.I made up my mind just yesterday to try this internet date to see if if it will work out well and you happen to be the first person am contacting. I'm from Liberia in west Africa country,but am residing in Dakar Senegal presently.I am a nice man with a lot of understanding,romantic,honest and caring.What I do for fun,Hiking, Scuba Diving.I am ambitious towards business.I hope for the best outcome in all situations.I enjoy communicating with those closest to me...I am appear to be quiet to those who don't know me.I am a good listener..I enjoy people who love life and live with many expectations. On Sunday I go to church.I do relax on Saturdays,but Monday to Friday I work.I believe in hard work and being focus in everything I do.I do talk with my Friends on my page when am less busy.I shall tell you more when I hear from you,if you are interested.Have a nice day.Hugs.


And The reply

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Dear Jerry

My name is Mary Dow i am 27 years old i am 5'8 with blonde hair and blue eyes.

I am so glad to receive this msg from you. You sound like a good and hard working man. I also have had trouble in my life my husband of 3 years died early this year and i have had trouble being in relationship since then.

I live in London England but have visited dakar many times. It is such a butifull place and the men are very handsom Smile

I also enjoy hiking but have never been scuba diving maybe you could teach me some time Razz

I collect old cars as a hobby and love reading romantic novels by the fire.

I dont normaly reply to such emails but i thought i would give it a shot.

Pls send me a photo of yourself so i can get to know you better.

Mary


Looks like we got a bite hear is the reply.

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Hi Mary,
What a wonderful reply I got from you,my heart beats faster as I read your letter.It gladdens my heart and I want to tell you first,that am sorry about the death of your husband accept my sympathy.I want you to be strong and knwo that there is a reason for everything that happen in our life OK.You sounded so adorable in your message to me and I felt something deep in my heart as I read the mail,I believe that you and I will make a good relationship better still a good match for each other.Oh!I have always love to have a blond hair woman as my partner but I have not gotten such opportunity not until today that I received your letter.

Yes,I understand how you fee about,when you said you don't normally reply to such mails,I know that so many thing and ill going on on the web today,but I tell you I am not out for such silly things.I am for real and I promise you will find out as the time goes on.Nice to hear that you were here in Dakar,and please I want you to visit again just because of me please.I am very much interested in meeting you soon and I seek for a serious relationship that we can get married if you wish.It's a a common thing between us that we had the same experience in life(finding it hard to get involve in a new ans serious relationship),that has been my problem because everybody seem to be fake and serious anywhere,but I thank God that you are different and will see how far we can go.I wait to hear from you again.Tell me more I need to you about you and send me some photos.Until then have a lovely weekend.Kiss & Hug.

Jerry.
I attached some photos that you asked for here.I hope it looks nice to you???


Start to plant the seeds of what i am planning for this little lad.

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Dear Jerry.

Let me just say WELL HELLO DADDY.

You are a little hottie. Mumma likes.

Lol your making me blush.

I bet you have a huge... well we will just have to wait and see tee hee giggle.

Love the picture of you in the santa hat TOO CUTE.

I see a keyboard in the pic do you play keyboard?

You have a very genuine smile i like it alot you seem very trust worthy.

I too am looking for a seriouse relationship but dont talk about marrage yet i like to meet soemone first and see the chemistry but dont worry i am not looking for a 1 night thing.

Im on my work computer so no pictures im afraid Sad will send some when i get home tonight.

Do you have skype we could webcam chat Razz if you are free i wanna get a little more of that body Razz

So tell me about yourself your age and activitys?

Do you have any tattoo or peircings i love tattoos and peircings?


Do you like it in Sengal or would you like to come to UK one day?

Oh sod it ill quickly grab a pic off my cam give me 1 second.

Well thats not a great photo but i guess it will do Razz im the one on the left btw. Wink

Told you i was blonde he he he u like?

Anyway get back to me ASAP.


I think he may have mis understood the term mumma lol.

Quote:
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Hello My Lovely Mum.

Oh am really happy while I read through your letter,it was like someone having honey for food lol.Thank you for accepting me into your heart as you let me know that you like me pictures.I must confess to you now that you are the most beautiful girl that I ever set mt naked eyes on.Wow!you are looking beautiful.Yes I love your blond hair,you know I said in my mail to you that I have always pray to have a woman with blond hair.For the tattoo and pierces I do not have any but I like it,will love to see yours and how beautiful it looks,however,I will also like to have one may be by your name lol (Love it when they set themselves up).For the key board I try playing but am not perfect you know.

My age is 30 years and activities,well I deal on floor tiles,that is the work I do,buy and supply to the builders .As you know here in Senegal there is no much job so people normally do what they see.Sweetie,I'll like to visit UK someday now that I met you but I want to ask you for a favor please come down here in Senegal first to visit me OK.Then we may plan and know more about each other then we may go to UK together if you want or I may be coming after...I really cannot get my eyes off your picture and you have a beautiful friend too.Will she be coming to visit me in Senegal with you??I know that in UK that is a lot of fun and life there. And I have Skype but use to mess up some times even my yahoo messenger has webcam so we can chat some time and see each other.

Mary,hoping to hear from you soon.Have a lovely night rest and don't forget to send me more photo of you!Kiss & Hug.

Jerry.


So at this point i decided that a tattoo was the way to go as he has already said he would be willing. Spent a few hours trying to work on an excellent L33t tattoo but my Allias name dosent really work to well so i dreamed up a new charcter her name is Aiter (shes from sweden) I guess you can see where this is going Razz.

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Dear Jerry

Im so happy too see a email from you. I could not stop thinking about you from yesterday.

Please give me your yahoo msnger address so we can chat.

I find myself falling in love with you. Everything you say is so sweet and amazing. *blush*

Haha i see you like my friend her name is Aiter she is from Sweden also we have a unusual relationship i dont know if you can understand but sometimes when a woman is looking for a man she has certain needs that have to be forfilled. I use her to get some release from these needs. Unfortunately being a very passionate woman this can be quite often sometimes as much as 3 times a day. Smile Dont mean to scare you but you should know what you are getting yourself into Wink

I have attached another pic this one is from last year when i had brown hair. Hope you enjoy Razz

I have a confession to make last night i printed out the pictures of you and took them to bed with me and starred at them whilst Aiter satisfied me. Very Happy Now i am blushing. She thinks you are quite attractive but really she only likes women.

I wonder if you could send me some more pics i would love to see a little more *wink wink* i think you can think of something creative that i would like.

I dont have any plans to visit Dakar at the moment but if things progress i think we could arrange something Wink if you like i can bring Aiter too then we can both fight over you lol.

That comment about getting the tattoo is so sweet but i would never ask you to do such a thing untill we were really seriouse. Is there places in dakar where you can get tattoos and piercings?

Lol i just read over the email i am sending and i realise that it is very forward. Lol ohh well you should know the truth i guess if it is to much freaky for you i understand.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Lots of Love

Mary


And then quickly before he can reply shot this little quick one off to complete the tat. See if you can spot it.

Quote:
Hey cutie.

Just had a sexy idea Razz

Heres my number ***-***-***

Why not call and leave a msg telling me what you want to do to me and Aiter.

If you do then i will listen to it tonight with Aiter.

Who knows i might even record it for you Razz

Love Mary

PS. I am receiving alot of junk in my email so please use this code word in the title of all your messages. So i can tell you apart from the spam Razz. The word is "iamb" it is a term used in poetry to show perfect beauty. Razz


So thats the plan. I am incorporating the iamb into everything so it becomes our word. Hopefully when i ask for both our names and our word on the tat it should come up M.ary Doe iamb Aite.r. (minus the .'s of course.

Here is too hoping.

Anyway there are a dozen or so msg after this and a few explicit phone calls and a lengthy yahoo msg that i can post if people are interested but i think he is ripe now and i think its time for the tattoo.

But before i ask for it i just want to make sure 100% hes a scammer as i said he never actually asked for money its a slim to nill chance that he was actually just looking for email address cos he is looking for a partner and i want to make 100% sure.

Does anyone have an idea how to check?

Harry
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Dorothy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Pulling your address from a guestbook is not evidence that he is a scammer.

Simply asking for money is also not proof he is a scammer. He could be a beggar (which we don't bait).


African romance scammers will do one or more (usually more than one) of the following:
-Claim to be from somewhere other than Africa, often the home country of their target. This man is openly acknowledging he is African.
-Use photos of someone else--a model, a soldier, a porn actress, etc. There is no suggestion this has been the case.
-Claim they are coming to visit you, and then hit you up for money in order to see you. This guy has actually said he wants you to come to see him, so he's not setting up for that series of requests.
-Offer you a future with lots of money (e.g. inheritance from daddy, big military pension, his big bank account). From what you have posted, this guy isn't making any extravagant claims about his wealth.

He probably did recognize the word "mummy" as "sugar mummy" is a standard term in many African countries. Many African men are quite open about the fact that they are looking for one: http://www.metabot.ru/forum?open=1292087911_11438&profile=en So when you used the term, you (inadvertently) suggested that you are a sugar mummy, and that you are fine with that. Again, NOT baitable. We are not the moral police--even if we don't agree with gold-diggers and people looking for a free ride, if they aren't hiding who they are, they are not baitable.

If the guy were a scammer, he wouldn't be a very successful one. With so many successful scammers out there pulling thousands of dollars from innocent men and women, and a limited pool of baiters, there is really no reason to bait this type either way.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hmm good points.

Ill msg him from another account find out what the scam is and come back to this account.

Thanks for the help.

Hary

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Fear not this guy is definitely a scammer he pulled my email from a guest book as thats the only place i left it.


You could say the same about Yellow Pages then, and everyone else who finds my email somehow to send me spam.

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Hary.H
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ohh trust me this one is good. A few more email accounts and we get the whole story. Seems like a pretty long con but its coming. Watch this space!

<< Please dont take number of posts as sign of Noobishness. I was here a few years ago.

P.S. Dont worry i wont do anything malicious till he asks for money. But when he does have i ever set this one up a treat.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You're missing the point.

He most likely will ask for money. Asking for money does NOT automatically make him fair game. Scammers pretend to be something they are not, and promise futures that they know could not possibly happen (because they aren't the person they pretend to be and/or don't have the money they claim to have, and they aren't jumping on a plane to meet their beloved.) Most of their money requests are for blatantly false reasons (accidents that didn't happen, gift or emergency for a nonexistent child, bta that only exists in the scammer's imagination, fake packages, nonexistent military fees, etc.)

Gold-diggers and Romeos don't pretend to be someone they are not (yes, they may pretend to be faithful when they aren't but we aren't the morality police). They very likely are looking for a woman to support them, and they may be corresponding with other women trying to find one who will.
Often they don't hide their desire for money and a way out. But they may very
well be prepared to marry any woman they can hook as a way to get out of their current situation / move up in the world. We may not like their behavior, but we don't bait them, any more than we would bait young, attractive women who just happen to spend their time with much older, wealthy men. While we may find some of their behaviors morally reprehensible, they are not illegal and not baitable. The same is true for beggars.

Unless you have absolute proof that this guy is running scams or clear evidence that he is substantially lying (and by that I mean things like fictional fees that clearly don't exist, not things like "he can't really need money for food because he can afford the internet") then he is not baitable.

edited for format, messed up because I was typing on my phone!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Beggar: Asks for money and tells you his/her intentions upfront.
Scammer: Asks for money in a deceitful way in which they also promise you money in return and never follow through with it.

So to add one what Dorothy was saying: If they are asking for money and are semi-genuine about it, DO NOT bait and drop them and move on, even if the IP is Nigeria, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

-DROPPED

against my better judgement i will bow out. Be free little fellow i hope you find true love and that sugga mumma you been searching for.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi all,

It's been awhile since I was last on here-I haven't had too much of a problem with scammers until now. I have to warn everybody about this guy. I met him on Gayromeo.com, his name is George Eristavi and his handle is amGivi. He's from Sumy, Ukraine, and he had an interest in me. So I did a little research before I replied back to him about scammers from the Ukraine-there was nothing on the net about male scammers from there, but just female scammers. So I decided to give this good looking guy a try. Well, we had talked for a month, and I was ready to meet him until he sent me this email:

My one and only love and fate Dee!

You can hardly imagine how difficult it was for me to find a way
for us to be together. It is unbelievable how many complications
and obstacles occurred when I tried to find out how to become
yours. The Ukrainian legislation makes it really hard.

But you should be sure in me and my true wish to connect my heart
with your heart! This is the only reason I want to be with you,
Dee.

Of course, we don't need to be in hurry. We have time to get know
each other better. But as for me, I'm sure that one minute of real
meeting will bring us more happiness and satisfaction than years
of writing each other. And I am sure that with my qualification
I'll be able to earn good money in any country, so I do not worry
for my professional future. But our private life is important now!

Currently I have savings of 650 USD. Soon I'll get my vacation pay
of around 120 USD - it will make total 720 USD. I hope you could
send me the rest of 1270 USD, because total sum I need for trip
is 1990 USD. I had no idea how it could be possible, but now I
found it out finally.

In our country there is a company that assists with international
funding. It is called Western union and it is presented in bank
Aval here in Sumy. They have branches all over the world. The
only problem with money transfers from abroad is that Ukrainian
authorities take them as pure profit and extract 30 percent
taxation from every money transfer.

As it was explained me in their office: only several groups of the
Ukrainian citizens are not obliged to pay the profit tax. Those
groups are state-supported ones like veterans of WWII, people with
hard disability, single mothers with more then 2 kids, etc.

I do not belong to any group with tax privileges. This is very
bad, because in order to receive 1270 USD from you, you will need
to send me 1820 USD, and our state will cut off 550 USD - just
"for nothing", as taxation fee. I assume it is pure robbery! But
I can not change the Ukrainian legislation.

I had almost given up, and I really thought I am losing you, my
beloved Dee! It was terrible condition of my brain, soul,
and body. I became strongly depressed by this confusing fact. I
can not put you in confusing situation. To give 550 USD for the
state of Ukraine is nonsense - I can not afford to disturb you to
give out your money for our corrupted government!

Well, to make the long story short finally after visiting several
state authorities I found out that my stepfather Mikhail has also
the right to receive money from another country without any
taxation. They don't tell me it in the bank, because they don't
care. So I had to visit other official places to find it out that
the liquidators (disaster-remediation workers) of Chernobyl
disaster don't pay the tax when they get support from abroad.

Then I had to tell about you to my family, because I am not out
to them and they had no idea about my love to you until now. I
told them that I want to visit my very good caring and supporting
American friend Dee, who cares about me deeply and wants
to see me in America very much during my vacation this year. They
were surprise, but they gave me permission to do it. So my
stepfather will assist us, my beloved Dee! And this is
really great, because we'll save 550 USD of taxation! Please send
the necessary sum of 1270 USD via Western union to his name:

Mikhail Lutsyk
Kovpaka Street 53, Apartment 201
Sumy, 40031, Ukraine

My beloved Dee, after you've sent the assistance let me know
the control number of the money transfer that you'll get on the
receipt. I'll also need your name spelled exactly as on that
receipt. As I have been told in the bank, in case I'll write even
one character wrong they will refuse to pay out the transfer. The
Ukrainian legislation is very strict as for the bank and tax
issues. The faster we order the travel package the sooner we'll
be together in America.

Please do not even think that I need this sum as gift from you! I
don't accept such gifts. I need it to be with you in America!
I'll work hard to pay back this debt to you as soon as possible,
because I am honest lad and I can't even think to mix love and
money ever. I simply need to be with you, to bring you my heart!

My dearest sweetheart, I have done my home work - it is your turn
now! I will be waiting for your assistance with the greatest hope
and foretaste of our happiness in America!

With all my love and sweetest kisses from Sumy!

Your loving Ukrainian life partner,
Givi

Isn't that sweet, and very scamming! As you can see, he contradicts himself quite often in the emails, and with every email that he sent me, he always had a picture with it. I even showed this to Gayromeo to prove that he was a scammer, and they did absolutely nothing about it! What's the point of reporting scammers if they won't do anything about it? It's clear that this guy is a faker, but yet Gayromeo seems to love it. Once again, his name is George Eristavi aka Givi, his handle on Gayromeo is amGivi, and his email address is [email protected]. Be very aware of this guy!
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