Failed WIMP modality

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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:28 pm

I decided to approach one of my Ghana lads with an other character trying out BRUIN's WIMP modality.

Lad:

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What can i do for you??

I then send the initial WIMP letter.

Lad:

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so is that your fucking problem, i don't deal with scammers like, go to hall.

Me:

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What the hall are you talking about? What is a scammer?
Did you read my mail well? I am offering good business here.

Lad:

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you don't understand english right, very good, i said fuck you fuck your business scam, you nigeria man. i hope you get me clear now, don't tell me that you don't understand me, fuck you.

I wonder what's wrong with him Confused

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:31 pm

Some lads are unwilling to see an opportunity when it comes along.

Or he could be one of the lads i have sent a WIMP asem to the last weeks. However i did not get an answer like that.

I do have a few lads that might travel. One in the pipeline and two of them have said that they will email me from the other country tomorrow. But i have to say i do not have much hope for one of them as he clearly stated that he wanted to go to Ghana even though Benin and Cameroon was closer. He is Nigerian. But i will see tomorrow how it turns out.

419Eater is my life Joined: 09 Sep 2010 Posts: 281

Everytime I have tried the WIMP modality, the lad doesn't travel, he instead gets another lad in the neighbouring country to collect the MCTN's.

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:11 pm

That is what i suspect one of the lads are planning as well. And i an not sure the other will come through either. I have been shot down too many times during safari attempts to take anything for granted.

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:31 pm

Suggestion: modify your WIMP modality - your character has an accomplice in Accra, Ghana (or whereever) who will NOT ask any questions, and will not question that so many orphan MTCN's are being picked up. The mugu must deal with this one specific accomplice in one specific location to pick up the money.

Bruin

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:32 pm

Bobdemol - He thinks you are a lad - actually, you are a big oga! Try to recruit him into the Gomerb*yz.

Bruin

insults and more · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:33 pm

BRUIN: You've made this suggestion pretty often lately, for a site-specific WIMP. I think it deserves a thread of its own, as it seems more powerful than your original WIMP modality. What made you change your method?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:29 pm

The same problem that Bobdemol has had caused me to change my mind - too many mugus had an accomplice "out there" and the original WIMP modality offered such broad options to a mugu that it allowed him to take advantage of any "out there" associate/friend/fellow scammer/relative. By narrowing the potential range of WIMP safaris, you dramatically reduce the odds of a scammer being able to avoid travel by using the associate.

Bruin

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:45 am

This morning i got a mail from one of the lads claiming to be in Benin. Headers showing Lagos. No safari and a lie, how come i was not surprised.

However i gave him a list of the same mtcn:s that Bruin did in his full Wimp bait. Mostly because i am lazy. But the lad said that he needs the senders names as well. If this is true i am ashamed to say that i do not know.

Does he need the senders name when going to a WU office to claim the funds? I suspects that he does not.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:48 am

I suspect mugus who use a fake site in their own scam are less likely to fall for modalities.

Master Baiter Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Posts: 141

I have been using this WIMP thing for sometime now and have had tremendous success. I currently have a lad stranded in Burkina. He flew in from Senegal and is now concerned about the ongoing "audits".

This is an absolute awesome modality. I rarely run into the "partner" problem and drop them if they insist.

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you should know that I don't know any body in this country, I waited for you for the whole day and not even mail from you. i hope is not what am thinking,don't disappoint,I don't have money with me and i don't know how to survive here if i don,t hear from you tomorrow till next tomorrow,I will have no any option to return back to Senegal.

And it's 106F there too!

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take note that,it is 3;42 pm here now in Burkina and u should try to be fast. weather here now is very hot

Trophy Videos · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:02 pm

Bob, it could be just ethnic/tribe thing. Your lad may not be Nigerian, and he hates Nigerians. Lads are very prejudiced as a whole, much more than the average person in their country it seems. If he is not Nigerian himself, you represent the competition. Perhaps he once did a "business deal" with a Nigerian once, and got stiffed.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:31 pm

^^ You may be right here 'cause he's from Ghana ...

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:58 pm

Dr. Mike - He really doesn't need the sender's name but just tell him that, as a WU insider, you will change each transaction to make sure that each sender was "Jerry Jones".

Bruin

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BRUIN wrote:

Suggestion: modify your WIMP modality - your character has an accomplice in Accra, Ghana (or whereever) who will NOT ask any questions, and will not question that so many orphan MTCN's are being picked up. The mugu must deal with this one specific accomplice in one specific location to pick up the money.

Bruin

How does this avoid the "lad accomplice in other country" issue?

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:58 pm

Simple - under the "old" version of WIMP, the lad was given 8 (or however many) countries, and could select any one of them as the place where he wanted to receive the 'orphan' mtcns. There was a good chance that, for example, a Lagos mugu would have a friend in Sierra Leone, so he would select Sierra Leone as his destination of choice - - no safari, since there was already an accomplice available at the destination.

The new idea is to tell the mugu (for example, in Lagos) that you must travel to Accra, Ghana as the only place where there is WU representative who will handle this orphan transaction without raising questions.... the odds that the Lagos lad will have an accomplice in one specific destination are a lot lower than the odds that he would have an accomplice in any of eight potential destination countries. The problem is, perhaps, not 100% eliminated, but it is 99% eliminated.

Bruin

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:17 pm

Yes i definitely need to try the other modality with one city. I had a second lad today claiming to be traveling but are in fact sitting at home in Nigeria.

Accra is the supposed target for this lad. But i changed the setup of the bait in the eleventh hour. He now has to go to one specific bank.
The Prudential Bank in Makola market.

At least someone is going to have an interesting day tomorrow. Very Happy

insults and more · Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:37 pm

Bruin: yes, this updated method does seem much more likely to remove the possibility of collusion (unless the baiter is just unlucky enough to pick a place where the lad has associates).

There must be a way to reduce that source of error, as well. Have you thought of accompanying your modality with a preparation modality?

I'm thinking along the lines of a side modality in which you, as an oga, get lads to tell you where their partners are located. Suppose you were to present the lad with a proposition that requires he visit one of, say, ten nearby countries. Being a thrifty and rather empathetic oga, you don't want him to travel himself, so you ask which location the lad has the best contacts in.

In the best case, you could then map out exactly which areas are more or less connected with other areas. In the worst case, you could just find which specific lads are able to use associates rather than travelling themselves. Either way, you should be able to get information that'll help in forcing the lad to a location he must actually travel to.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:04 am

In my use of the WIMP modality I dangled the original 8 countries but unfortunately by the time the target lad replied, 7 of them were already taken by other lads. With WU internal security poking around it was very hard to tell when I could next do a data sweep and generate a new list of orphans.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:58 pm

Leon and Connie - You are both truly evil. And I respect you for it....

Bruin

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:55 pm

Lots of great ideas from the pros here for tuning up this modality.

I have a lad in Ghana who is supposed to be picking some of these up in Togo tomorrow morning. If his email comes back from Ghana again I'm going to slap him hard.

If his email comes back from Togo, my current stall plan is that I can't get to the servers because they are overloaded processing the Asian based transactions that usually go through our servers in Japan. Seems like a perfect chance to stay one step ahead of them on taking advantage of the calamities happening around the world.

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:02 am

Brilliant! My own favorite follow-up goes like this:

(a) original corrupt WU employee suddenly goes silent;
(b) A few days later, mugu gets e-mail from WU fraud investigator "We arrested X. He erased his computer, but we found your e-mail address on a slip of paper on his desk....we are offering a big cash reward for your videotaope testimony, along with a compete pardon. Would you meet our investigatory at Simba's Safari Camp to be interviewed on videotape and to collect your reward? Naturally, all expenses are on us."

Bruin

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:52 pm

I arrived to a "where's the numbers" email with an IP showing he's still sitting on his lazy arse at home. I slapped him hard!

Tomorrow I'm going to ASEM him some numbers intended for another lad, with a litle embedded note stating "I think they may be on to me, so this may have to be the last batch for awhile". If that doesn't get any response it may at least help set me up for the fraud investigator routine ...