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 Won't give me a pic... Update: Victim identified.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Been working this fellow, mostly on Yahoo chat, for about a week now. Initially he agreed to a picture. I sold him some BS about my Aunt Tilly having been scammed out of $20,000 into poverty and that the police told us to ask for pictures with a security phrase...whatever. Anyway, he is going to great lengths to do some pretty decent MS paint on Googled photos and every time I slap him he whines and then just does it again...I don't understand, he must know why I'm in this, its only over $600 and I have wasted about 6 straight hours on Yahoo IM plus a handful of calls to my VM. What's the problem here? I'm also working him from two other e-mails, he jumped on the chance to talk to my Aunt Tilly who was previously scammed and my friend Jack White who is going to ask for a business loan for his farm but has to choose between feeding his two small children and buying medication for his 90 yr old mother.

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mr jim carter
How are you doing?
2:44 AM

Me
I am somewhat frustrated with you and your practices.
2:45 AM

mr jim carter
how?
2:45 AM

Me
Do we really have to go over this again? You promised to do something and now you refuse to follow through. You lied to me about the bank account, you lied to me about the website, you are probably lying about trying to call me and you won't do one simple task to make me feel confident that the money I need for medical treatment isn't being wasted to some scam.
2:47 AM
and you continue to persecute me for being careful
2:47 AM
I just want one solid piece of evidence of who you are and you won't give it to me
2:48 AM

mr jim carter
ok what do you really want for us to proceed?
2:48 AM
if you need a guaratee that after you send the fee you will get the loan, i can provide that for you
2:49 AM

Me
in what form?
2:50 AM

mr jim carter
i dont understand what you mean by " in what form"
2:50 AM

Me
how do you guarantee it? Are you going to send me collateral?
2:51 AM

mr jim carter
no, i will send you a letter of guarantee / promissory note so you will know that once you send this fee your loan will be sent to you asap
2:52 AM

Me
You will give me your word in a piece of paper?
2:52 AM

mr jim carter
by my attorney
2:53 AM
the company's attorney
2:53 AM

Me
I think that you have very ably established that at this point your word means very little regardless of who it is guaranteed by.
2:53 AM
How is a promissory note worth anything?
2:54 AM
Its just another piece of paper.
2:54 AM

mr jim carter
ok what do you really want now?
2:54 AM

Me
I want what you promised me three days ago.
2:54 AM
I just want one one simple picture of you with an identifying security statement so that I can be sure that I am dealing with you.
2:55 AM

mr jim carter
what security statement
2:55 AM

Me
like I said...something from Star Wars...let me think
2:56 AM

mr jim carter
what star wars? the movie or what
2:56 AM

Me
You know who the best Star Wars character was that you never saw enough of...Admiral Ackbar
2:57 AM
his best line in the whole movie is, "It's a Trap!"
2:57 AM

mr jim carter
what does that have to do with this now?
2:57 AM

Me
That should be our security phrase
2:58 AM

mr jim carter
on where?
2:58 AM

Me
I dunno...just write it on a piece of paper or something and hold it in the picture
2:58 AM
I considered naming my dog Fisher...
3:00 AM
you know, after Carrie Fisher
3:01 AM

mr jim carter
so you want to take a picturw holding a paper with Its a trap on it?
3:01 AM

Me
yes
3:01 AM
nothing complicated, just something to make the ID
3:02 AM

mr jim carter
I will take the picture and put a thumbs up for you
3:10 AM
cos its really a stress
3:10 AM
ok
3:11 AM
i just took it now
3:11 AM
and i wrote i cant believe it not butter
3:11 AM
should i send it to your email or here?
3:12 AM


Me
e-mail is better
3:12 AM
wait, thats not our security phrase
3:12 AM

mr jim carter
ok
3:12 AM

Me
don't play games now...write "It's a Trap!" and then put "[my e-mail]" under it in smaller letters
3:14 AM

mr jim carter
ok
3:14 AM

Me
I see right through your BS, you were going to send me this one
3:15 AM
that I just found on google
3:15 AM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs_b7i9Wl2Mj8EcxNvi4-47tgMOkWAPp6AF2IozPugOz2FddtMhw&t=1
3:16 AM

mr jim carter
you said what?
3:16 AM

Me
it took me about 5 seconds to find that picture with google
3:16 AM

mr jim carter
may be its just a coincidense
3:17 AM

Me
ahuh
3:17 AM



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Patience some mugus are gun shy because they have been baited before. It might take a little longer to hook him.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If he originally told you he was a white man, and he is black or visa versa, he can't send you a real picture without admitting to that initial lie. That's why it's always best if you can to not ask for a picture right away.
At this point, you could tell him that you suspect this, but it's ok. You know how some people don't trust others because of the color of their skin, but you aren't like that at all. Give him a chance to admit the truth, and maybe go silent on him for awhile. Focus on the money. That's more important to you. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

These two parts made me laugh Laughing

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i wrote i cant believe it not butter

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may be its just a coincidense


SlapHappy's idea is great though - I think this will really work

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hehe, "I can believe it's not butter" it's yellow lard.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

He gave me a black passport and he sounds genuine Nigerian from the voice mails, IP is Nigerian.

He has now, instead of providing me with a picture, set up another e-mail pretending to be a man from Utah who's bank account we can use so that I can use US authorities IF he dupes me out of my money.

He sent me a copy (legit) of this guy's Utah driver's license...apparently someone got scammed or lost their wallet. I found the potential victim on Facebook and IM'd him from my baiter account, I also found his phone # in the white pages.

I told the scammer that I was going to call his "friend" in Utah after I sent him an introductory e-mail....and this is what I got back from the Utah friend (who apparently sends his e-mails from Nigeria):
Quote:
We got buried in snow in Evanston, Wyoming on our way to Charlotte, NC since Friday, I just came home about 2 hours ago. Mr. Carter is a very good friend of mine, but though he never told me that he wanted to use my bank. But yes he is legitimate please feel free, thanks for your email, I have to rest now after a long trip back home.

Just a normal customer, please if you are sending the money to my account, send me an email once you send it because i have a bad weather here and my phones a out.


(Yes, they drove 2/3 the way across the US in 3 days just to come home today.)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

emsjeep - If you believe you have a real victim id or suspect he or she might be a scammer's mule, please forward the info to a Moderator here to take care of. They are very skilled at determining and dealing with cases like this, ok?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

SlapHappy wrote:
emsjeep - If you believe you have a real victim id or suspect he or she might be a scammer's mule, please forward the info to a Moderator here to take care of. They are very skilled at determining and dealing with cases like this, ok?


I'm going with victim at this point, I forced the point about his "friend" e-mailing me to grab an IP and it didn't come from Utah...

Scammer IPs
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41.138.165.221
41.138.168.194
41.138.168.242
41.138.167.154
82.128.59.239
41.138.165.24
41.184.68.112


E-mails from "friend in Utah:"
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41.138.165.68
41.138.169.234


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:26 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ That likely means the scammer has a real vic's ID and bank info. It may have been stolen, or the vic may not realize it is a scam. I'm with SlapHappy on this, stop and take a deep breath and report your info to a Mod right away. They'll help you get it sorted out.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Any mod in particular? I clicked on the list and PM'd the guy at the top...Rover...


and in my outbox it sits....not sending for some reason...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

PM the info to me and I'll get it to the correct people at scamwarners. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

jose_cuervo wrote:
PM the info to me and I'll get it to the correct people at scamwarners. Smile


It should be in your box, do you want a copy of the ID? What do they do, just a simple notification?
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I do not think I will need the ID. Thank you. Thumbs up

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ha, somebody worked this lad over good in the past, he has serious psychological issues.

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mr jim carter
i trust you but i cnt snd down that picture 11:25 PM
i am not a fraud man or some ok 11:25 PM

Me
Did someone violate your trust in the past? 11:25 PM

mr jim carter
tat is prsonal just forgt about that 11:26 PM
just think if you will make the payment or not 11:26 PM

Me
It is sad that people do not tell you the truth when you are trying to help them. 11:26 PM
I'm sorry for whatever they did to you. 11:27 PM
It is such great work that you do, giving loans to people in need. 11:28 PM

mr jim carter
i need to rst my head 11:28 PM
for now thanks 11:28 PM
ok 11:28 PM

Me
I want you to think about trusting me, I won't let you down, I promise. You have all of my information. I will not betray you, friend. 11:29 PM

mr jim carter
i am sorry i cant go back 11:30 PM

Me
What did they do to you?

mr jim carter
just think eithr to send the money or forget about it, i will be waiting to see the MTCN 11:30 PM

Me
Sharing is healing my friend, tell me your story. It will make you feel better. 11:31 PM
As a christian I know this. 11:31 PM
Jesus said that together we shall overcome the wrongs perpetrated against us. 11:32 PM

mr jim carter
THANKS 11:32 PM
BUT IT IS LEFT FOR ME


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is a victim's ID...if anyone is interested in baiting this guy for more info, let me know, I can't seem to get anything remotely useful or interesting off of him.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That last chat was with the scammer. A victim wouldn't talk about sending the MTCN number.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

the vampire wrote:
That last chat was with the scammer. A victim wouldn't talk about sending the MTCN number.


Right, the ID is from a victim though...a victim of multiple scams.
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A lot of scammers are asking for ID, and unfortunatly a lot of people then send it to the lad, to find out later (at the payment stage) that they are writing to a scammer. We get lots of questions from victims on Scamwarners asking if it was a big misstake that they had send their ID to a scammer, before they found out it was a scam. That is why most scammers ask for ID early in the process. They know that not all people fall for scams, but they can at least harvest ID's from people, which they can use for scams.
So how can you tell this person from the ID is a victim of multiple scams?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If he is truly a victim of multiple scams, he might need some counseling. I am not blaming the victim, some people have had serious issues in their past. This is more like preventing him from being a victim in the Future.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

the vampire wrote:
A lot of scammers are asking for ID, and unfortunatly a lot of people then send it to the lad, to find out later (at the payment stage) that they are writing to a scammer. We get lots of questions from victims on Scamwarners asking if it was a big misstake that they had send their ID to a scammer, before they found out it was a scam. That is why most scammers ask for ID early in the process. They know that not all people fall for scams, but they can at least harvest ID's from people, which they can use for scams.
So how can you tell this person from the ID is a victim of multiple scams?


I talked to his daughter. Scamwarners also reached out to the victim, I assume they called him because he wasn't answering on Facebook.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Utah DPS -Department of Homeland Security and the Driver's License issuing authority actually personally responded to my inquiry from last week...perhaps they will be able to do something with the bank account as the lad himself is in Nigeria.

Thanks for all the help from everyone, (especially jose_cuervo - I'll drink to that- looks like we interrupted a scam).

Also, my lad is back online, thought he dropped me for a day there but he is back and eager with a promise of payment...so begins the MTCN pain. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Whoa...I just got asked to send a Postal Money Order to the address listed on the driver's license.....

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^^^

If you haven't already, please get this new info to a mod.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Fartina o'douriss wrote:
^^^

If you haven't already, please get this new info to a mod.


jose_cuervo is working with scamwarners for me.

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^^^

Excellent! Good job!
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