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eljeffe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I just had a scammer ask me to send a WU to this address - as it's the "FBI Scam Departments HQ." Rolling Eyes
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<Snip name and address of probable mule - JF>


His/Her english sucks though and doesn't sound American - any ideas why this?

Also, the above address appears to be residential as well.

I was just going to do the Usual and send a fake WU - but wtf, is this person really in the US?

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eljeffe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

On another note - if this bastard really IS in the US - how do I go about getting them arrested for scamming?

If they're NOT - how are they using a TX address for all of this?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

They are using a 3rd party re-mailer. The money comes to them and then gets deposited elsewhere. A lot of Craig'slist and E-Bay scams do this also so you think you are dealing with someone inside the USA. The 3rd party thinks they have a legit "Work at Home" biz going.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Tom Terrific wrote:
They are using a 3rd party re-mailer. The money comes to them and then gets deposited elsewhere. A lot of Craig'slist and E-Bay scams do this also so you think you are dealing with someone inside the USA. The 3rd party thinks they have a legit "Work at Home" biz going.


Ah I see - thanks Tom. I'll just waste his time with the usual fake WU receipts, etc.

Any idea how i can say this got 'flagged' by wu in order to throw forms at em? Obviously, I can't say "due to scams in nigeria"......

Thanks! Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Why can't you say due to fraud?

On WU's own website it states:
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Funds may be delayed or services unavailable based on certain transaction conditions, including amount sent, destination country, currency availability, regulatory issues, identification requirements, Agent location hours, differences in time zones, or selection of delayed options. Additional Restrictions may apply. See Send form for details.


You should be able to find some "restrictions" to cause delaying.

Using the US's Red Flags Rule I request photo ID and photo ID of the person who will be picking up the money, then find other delaying tactics, citing due to the 9/11 bombing there are rules about transferring money outside the country.

I have even told them that because of the new 9/11 rules, I can only send $200 per transaction out of the country.................and the lad was wanting $5,000!

Then I tell them that it is much better if we use a bank account of his............and he complies sending me his bank information!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've just been messing with him - sent him a wu receipt via sec-trans - and he's been trying to access it for the past hour and a half - lol. i got 10+ emails so far from them that he's accessed the file. I finally sent him the file itself but in an un-viewable format. I THEN sent an actual Jpeg - but of course it's a restricted payment that can ONLY be picked up in sweeny TX - where he claims his HQ is from.

I'll try the other tactits you mentioned next - i'll get an UN-secured "payment" - but then that requires pictures and all that jazz

Thanks Smile

OH - Morgain Le Fay- the fraud thing. He claims to be in San Diego and his HQ is in TX - so the 'out of country' stuff wont' work -BUT I feel a slap coming soon. He claims to be in sweeny TX - SO naturally I restricted the pickup to sweeny TX only. Not my fault if he's dishonest Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

eljeffe wrote:
I just had a scammer ask me to send a WU to this address
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<Snip name and address of probable mule - JF>



Please give this information to a mod via PM. Chances are it is an mule that needs to be warned they are dealing with scammers. A mod will send this information over to ScamWarners and an experienced scamwarner will investigate.

Thanks! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have snipped the name and address because they appear to check out on a quick search. As Tom Terrific indicates, this is almost certainly a "mule" -- someone who has been recruited by a scammer through a work at home or other type of scam. Most mules are innocent victims who can get into very serious trouble with the law. Some work willingly with scammers, but that's much rarer.

Our research team at Scamwarners will look into it and attempt to warn the mule about the serious danger he is putting himself in by laundering scammer money.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Juan Freizwidatt wrote:
I have snipped the name and address because they appear to check out on a quick search. As Tom Terrific indicates, this is almost certainly a "mule" -- someone who has been recruited by a scammer through a work at home or other type of scam. Most mules are innocent victims who can get into very serious trouble with the law. Some work willingly with scammers, but that's much rarer.

Our research team at Scamwarners will look into it and attempt to warn the mule about the serious danger he is putting himself in by laundering scammer money.


Wonderful - I'm glad I made this post then, and I hope if they ARE a real person that they're able to be warned before they get into serious trouble.

I misunderstood Toms comment about a 3rd party originally - and did not realize this is a (most likely) INNOCENT 3rd party - so thanks for clarifying that.

On a positive note - I did waste about 6 hours of the lads time today Smile

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