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Father-Christmas
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Found this topic of discussion on a forum whilst googling 419 stuff.....

http://atheistforums.org/thread-2626.html

It seems a few are not so convinced! Fools...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Naturally, the athiests don't believe in us. They have to see proof....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

BRUIN wrote:
Naturally, the athiests don't believe in us. They have to see proof....

Bruin

ROFLMAO Mr. Green

I needed that today, oh I REALLY needed that

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:32 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I could see how people not completely privy to the art of baiting not being able to fathom how such an accomplishment could be made by NN. Plus they are looking at a ultimate bait and judging on that.

Of course it sounds ridiculous to me that it could be faked because that would be some mad P-Chop skills to pull that off.

They also have no idea what kind of work goes into that kind of bait. If they knew they may not be so quick to judge.

I'm waiting for my confirmation email for their site registration then I will post a recommendation to go to the site and read a little about what we do.

EDIT: I just noticed how old their post was. Hopefully some of them have seen the light since then. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@BRUIN LMAO

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just been over there and posted this:-

Just came across this thread

http://atheistforums.org/thread-2626-page-1.html

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Some of the comments there were very fair it does seem that it cannot be real, well I can assure you that it is real, the person who managed to pull that off is a most respected member of the site, and it is not a case of sending off an email and the scammer rushes off to do these silly things, it takes talent to manage that.

What happens over there is intended to waste the scammers time and resources, after all if they are being kept busy, they have less time to waste on real victims.

I would suggest visiting the site to see what it is that goes on,

I know this is an old thread so I hope I have not offended anyone by posting this

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^perfectly spelled out. I hope some of them take the advise always room for more

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

BRUIN wrote:
Naturally, the athiests don't believe in us. They have to see proof....

Bruin


Haha!!!!! That's chuckled my laughers!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The real sad, and difficult thing to believe is that scammers foolish enough to send photos of themselves dressed as superheros are capable of fooling victims into sending them thousands of dollars.

In my rl profession I come across victims of 419 and other scams on occasion. Most are elderly, mentally handicapped or both. It really is sad.

A while back I came across a man who lost 25,000 pounds in an inheritance scenario. First the thug had posed as a woman, befriended the man (an elderly pensioner), faked his death and then assumed the role of the barrister with the inheritance - of course, there was a hold up on the transfer yada yada...

The old man refused to accept he was being scammed unto the very end. I never learned what happened to him.

Scammers like that are truly the dungpiles (withholding profanity) of the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well I evoked some response

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All the more reason I don't believe it's real. If he's that respected, people are going to believe him. If he knows this, he can do anything he likes and know that his reputation will be safe. Bottom line: there is no proof that any of the stuff he posted actually happened, and anecdotal evidence should be viewed with more skepticism, especially online.



To which I replied

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Sorry if I have made a balls-up the link is not intended as free advertising.
It was mean't as a way for people to get to the site and see what it is all about before knocking it.

Bottom line: there is no proof that any of the stuff he posted actually happened, and anecdotal evidence should be viewed with more skepticism, especially online.

Fair point Adrian would you go as far as to say the stories that are in the Press almost daily about victims losing lots of money, and in some cases leading to one man committing Suicide (caught up in a Romance Scam) after losing something like £80,000.

Would you view that with skepticism ?


The thread is here
http://atheistforums.org/thread-4895-post-96680.html#pid96680

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^Well said. Glad you were able to post I never got a confirmation email I even double checked the addie I put in.

Hopefully some of them will check us out but we are asking a lot for the atheist to have faith as said previously.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@vampire
Good posting there. I was almost tempted to sign up myself, but you've pretty much made the same point I would have tried to make!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@vampiremerchant: Good replies you made.

I do think we need to be careful and not have too many eater members sign-up there and defend baiting and that particular bait.

I don't think it would put us in a good light.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ditto I think Vampire's is enough. Said everything it should but please post any updates vampire. I will try and remember to check their thread but I am pretty busy photoshoping clown make up on people. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^^ Good point, probably best not to badger people. I've seen forum wars before, they get messy Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah and I don't think anyone wants a war just want to educate. Afterall we are doing a public service in my opinion it just happens to be fun as hell too!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yup. The last thing we need is a war. It would make us look really bad.

EDIT: That Adrian guy is a total prick. He claims that because the media doesn't do stories on baiting that it's fake?

Has he even considered we don't advertise what we do?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

yes I also think that is a good idea, I will keep an eye on it

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Has he even considered we don't advertise what we do?


No he probably has not Exclamation

This is his latest gem

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No, because the press usually publish sources to go with their reports. I've never seen a reputable newspaper (or heck, even a non-reputable one) publish anything on the subject of scam-baiting though. All of it is hearsay; all of it taking place on the internet.

Are there some instances where scam-baiting is real? Very possibly. However, in some instances, like with the comic strip I posted about originally, I think the best explanation is simple fakery.

Now suggestions for a reply ?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^
Many things happen in the internet nowadays. Do they need to be published in newspapers to be recognized? (very strange comment!!)

Also, should all baiters post their sources to believe them?

If he wants sources I can give him my account for the Australian lad bait.
I don't use it anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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He can see the lad's picture with the sign and check the changed ips


He would probably dispute that too... Laughing

On the whole it seems that he is in a minority of one !

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It must be a bit like God joining their forum and insisting he does exist.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Vampiremerchant wrote:
On the whole it seems that he is in a minority of one !


classic troll - I'd go so far as to predict he probably works in IT support Wink if you don't feed a them a troll turns to stone

of course he could try a bait himself, but we know he won't do that - his head would explode if he proved himself wrong Mr. Green

I agree with dwatina, all in all "amu nna gi" Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:44 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi All, Smile Smile

Ignore the whole thing. It is not worth the effort to even justify the comment with a response.

People will have their own pre-conceived opinions. Whether they are well informed or ill informed. Human nature is to lead a person to believe they are always right. Justified or unjustified. People will make their own "corrections" or justifications.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Mr Tambourine Man wrote:
It must be a bit like God joining their forum and insisting he does exist.


I wish you hadn't just put that idea in my head....... Laughing

I shall resist of course!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Being an atheist is almost a religion, so i cant blame them for their confusion

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