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Cop_suck
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

http://www.strathycruise.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=112541&highlight=

Quick version?

Mate selling a car gets a 419 type email - I give him an email address to use, get a spoof Paypal email with an address in London.

Paypal give the usual 'phishing' autoreply, and the Met say it's not illegal and there's nothing they can do about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Funny, i would have though this came under the misuse of computers act 1990, section 3 punishable by 6 months/maximum fine on summary conviction or 5 years/fine on indictment.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can you post the email headers? Blank out any personal information.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I sell cars on ebay and use paypal to collect..

However, paypal will not accept full payment..

Deposit only. ($2000.00 USD maximum)

The balance is to be cash or money order..

And yes, ebay still owns paypal..

And yes, 419 scam attempts are common..

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Paypal froze my account once, and told me never to take a deposit for a vehicle.

I'll post the emails later - any tips on how to do that? Or I can forward them to an experienced user to post?

They came, in reality, from [email protected]

There's nothing personal in them anyway - I could actually just give you the login details for the email account!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:18 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Cop_suck wrote:
I'll post the emails later - any tips on how to do that?


It depends on the email program you're using: Here's a tutorial how to dispay the email headers. Linky

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to 419Eater.

Why did you complain to the Met Police? Stay here for a few days and you'll find out that scammers can pick up a Western Union payment anywhere in the world.

Chances are the lad is in West Africa and the Mets reach is not that long!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

What Musicman said. So you didn't do the full home work and come up with a solid case. Perhaps if you had proof of the where abouts of the suspected phisher, and it was in their jurisdiction, they could nick him.

Please read more stickies (you've go some of the idea), get a mentor to guide you, and please think about a new, more positive user name. The police can only work within their means and abilty as governed by Statuorial and International law.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey, cops don't suck!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

music man wrote:
Welcome to 419Eater.

Why did you complain to the Met Police? Stay here for a few days and you'll find out that scammers can pick up a Western Union payment anywhere in the world.

Chances are the lad is in West Africa and the Mets reach is not that long!


They gave an address in London - seemed relevant to pass it to the Met.

So, let me get this right - the person doesn't have to provide proof of address to pick up cash payments anywhere in the world?

Isn't that against money laundering regulations?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Badgerbait wrote:
The police can only work within their means and abilty as governed by Statuorial and International law.


Indeed - yet, they seem to think attempting to obtain money by deception isn't a crime....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Western Union can be picked up anywhere in the world with limited ID. The purpose of WU is to send money to someone you know and trust in an emergency. (If your wallet was stolen you'd have no ID)

Law Enforcement is very limited in what they can do in response to a spoofed paypal email. The scammers use all fake info and operate from outside local law enforcement jurisdiction in most cases.

Welcome to Eater. Do consider a username change and please do stick around, learn more and help us bait the scammers. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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So, let me get this right - the person doesn't have to provide proof of address to pick up cash payments anywhere in the world?


It is why they were asking for the MTCN with that number they can go into any WU outlet and get the money

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I've been chatting with their special paypal office about £350 I owe them.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:55 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Cop_suck wrote:

Indeed - yet, they seem to think attempting to obtain money by deception isn't a crime....

I'm not a lawyer, but I understand it to be true. Fraud does involve a victim actually losing money. If two or more scammers, are involved, they could be charged with conspiracy to defraud.
It's academic though, as the police don't have the resources to track down anonymous West African scammers.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ Attempting or planning to commit a crime carries (in theory) the same penalties as actually doing it.

That said, the police aren't going to move against a lad unless serious money is being lost, and the lad or his pals are somewhere in their jurisdiction.

To the OP: the police can and do arrest scammers who enter their territory, and it has happened that victims have gone to the police, who have then convinced the scammer to fly over and meet them. Such events, however, are rare.

The only organisations that can really put a dent in lad activity are the Nigerian Police and EFCC, neither of whom you could trust to do it.

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