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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok, So I have been contacting a scammer for a little bit. His story was he was giving me some ATM card worth alot of money or something. Later I received emails from some fake [email protected] or something like that saying that the package is to be delivered soon. He wanted me to deposit about 2000 dollars into a bank account. He gave me his name, bank name, account number, and routing number, just to see what i could get out of him i told him i went to the bank and they wouldn't let me transfer without his social security number. after a few days he gave me his number. so i tried to use that to put money into an online poker site. it worked. i put 100 dollars in but now i have regrets because im worried i could get in trouble. i never thought of it till after. before i just thought he scammed innocent people for thousands he needs to get a taste of his own medicine. i am able to use the money now but the echeck doesnt clear for 10 days so im not sure if theres money in his bank account or not. I DO NOT PLAN ON USING THE MONEY THOUGH. if there is not money in the account number he gave me the money will just dissapear from my balance. i really just wanted to see what i could do with his information but now i kinda feel like a scammer myself. do you guys think i could get into serious trouble? i mean what is he gonna do call the cops? i was just looking for opinions. has anyone ever done anything similiar?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That's called cash baiting, which we don't allow here. We never take money from scammers. It's dangerous, it's illegal, and could get this site closed down.

While it's unlikely that the scammer will call the cops, there is a chance that he could have a go at you, or get his mate's to do it. It's not terribly likely, but it's not a risk we take.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

well didnt know that at all. he doesnt have my number, address, or anything except my email of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

So your lad has a SS number and you didn't find that odd? I think I just might have to pull my boots up real high for this.

If anything, the account belonged to a victim. Either the lads victim or from information received from phishing. So no, your lad won't call the cops but the real account owner and the bank sure as shit will.

What you are describing is theft and fraud.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

well damn. i am not using any of the money hopefully it'll just not clear and i will have made a dumb mistake. why would he tell me to deposit money into an account of a victim though. wouldnt they already know their account was messed with. i feel dumb now. i would never scam an innocent person. i dont know of any way to fix it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

scamscamscam1234 wrote:
why would he tell me to deposit money into an account of a victim though.

scammers sometimes recruit people (we call them mules) who thinks they are engaged in legitimate activities.
they may be told that their role is to accept payments from third parties,
and to forward the money to a 'legitimate business' after taking a cut.
they are told that the scammer needs this service because the banking system in his country is unreliable, and they believe it.
these people end up being held responsible for the losses of other victims, which makes them victims too.

next, the scammers go after other people and persuade them to make payments to the mule.
these victims are less likely to smell a rat because they are sending a single payment by check to someone in their own country,
instead of multiple payments by western union to nigeria or wherever.
[multiple payments are used if the scammer is operating from a country where w.u restricts the amount of money that can be transferred - because of fraud!!!]
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I DO NOT PLAN ON USING THE MONEY THOUGH

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well the first thing I would do is contact the poker place and see if you can undo the theft you committed.

As far as why he would tell you to put money into a victims account, well there are many reasons. He could have told the victim that a "client" is going to make a bank payment to him so he can keep 10% and WU the rest to the lad. The lad could be doing this to flash the victims account or as a set up. Here is $2,000.00 toward the $10,000.00 you need to send me for court documents. Who knows, but with lads it's always something illegal. One thing that is for certain, it wasn't given to you to open an online poker account.

It very well could be just an account used by lads. If you're lucky this will be the case.



Why don't you PM me the information and I can have a better idea if it's a victim's or a lad account.

BTW, stealing is stealing. Whether it be from a lad or from a little old lady. Also, lads don't have their own money. All the money they have is stolen. So stealing it back and using it to play online poker doesn't make you Robin Hood. It just makes you a thief.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

wish i would have thought about all this before. the only reason i put it in a poker account was because that was the only way i knew to get it. it was dumb of me to do.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

We all do things we regret later. Yes, you should have thought this through before you did what you did.

I don't think your intentions were malicious. You just made a bad judgment call. It happens to everyone from time to time. It doesn't mean you're a bad person.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

isn't online poker a total scam anyway? I avoid such sites like the plague. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:02 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not absolutely sure, but I could see this could have a slightly different internal working. If you give a NI/SS number to an online poker company, they are unable to verify you based on that number, so I guess they just use it for their records. You say the deposit was e-cheque, which is a very slow way to transfer money, so allows for some degree of verification, and is reversible if the funds are not present - so the lad could easily have made up an SS number for you and it just hasn't been rumbled yet. Online gambling sites have plenty good methods of clawing back 'their' money, as they attract crooks and money launderers like the early days of Vegas.

Anyway, your best defence in such situations is to come clean before any harm is done - tell the bank, tell the poker site, and pass the account details to our very own Alan who will make use of the info if it is a lads personal account and get it closed down. If you do that, you have little to fear - you ballsed up, but people do balls up. You're trying to set things right. In the highly unlikely event this led to court, judges would see you trying to clear up a mess and sympathise.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

N N N wrote:
isn't online poker a total scam anyway? I avoid such sites like the plague. Rolling Eyes


No online poker isn't a scam. You just have to understand that a lot of people know how to play poker better than you 'or' that poker is a game of skill and probability. The Online casino usually takes a small amount from each table for the cost of play. They are mostly regulated (you can check their T&C's which link to the regulatory bodies).
Make sure you use one of the major ones where a lot of people play (the ones advertised on national T.V), there you get more of a chance to play amateurs.
I put £50 in a poker account and ended up making a tidy profit from playing small tables almost £150 profit.
The thing to remember with any gambling is that it's 'gambling'. You stake your money and take a chance at winning something. Winning isn't garunteed. I know this sounds obvious, but the amount of people I hear yelling when they get beaten and loose money is ridiculous. There is a good chance that you will 'loose' at gambling. This does not mean that this is a scam. The chance of winning depends on what games you play. Blackjack is one of the better ones. Jackpot/slots are pretty poor. At least with online poker you are playing against humans. However, be careful about people teaming up in online poker, it does happen. Usually these sites are quick to flush these people out. If you think this is happening then leave the table, you have a choice. Online casinos make money out of bringing you back to play more becuase you enjoyed the game, not scare you away because you think it's a one time scam.
If in doubt check where the site is located. Online gambling is not allowed to be registered in the UK, so a lot of them are run from Gibraltar which is not covered by UK gaming laws (although they are covered by their own laws which are pretty tight http://www.casino.com/about/ BTW I'm not endorsing this casino just an example of the law)
Also the other main rule to gambling is, DO NOT GAMBLE WITH MONEY YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO LOOSE. If you play your £50 and loose it but you needed it to pay your rent next week, you are just plain stupid and it's your own fault if you end up living on the street.

Well thats my 10 cents anyways.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

wowwow wrote:
I put £50 in a poker account ...

thats my 10 cents anyways.

are these two sentences connected? Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think pretty much everyone else hit on all the major points, the account probably belongs to a mule without much of a sense for security and has given out their information.

The good news is with all the information you have, it should be easy to let some of the moderators or the people at scamwarners get a hold of them.

The other good news is that so long as you didn't spend the money, you may have actually done the victim a favor by making the account get flagged by the bank for depositing money into an online poker site. Different banks have different fraud criteria, but theres a chance.

My recommendation would be to carefully step back and let the banks handle it at this point. I don't think you did a bad thing, because you thought you were scamming a scammer, but I wouldn't want to have to explain that to the police. Likely no one is going to trace your IP and come after you for $100, and if so, you can explain it then. I don't think you have anything to gain by calling the poker place and trying to undo the charge, the bank should not have a problem doing that.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

r2d2 wrote:
wowwow wrote:
I put £50 in a poker account ...

thats my 10 cents anyways.

are these two sentences connected? Wink

Yep begin and end on the same topic Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Pardon the irony, but I'll put money on the fact the SSN is stolen or mule-ish. It could be a a general bank account opened by a mule with the scammer covering it as a "corporate account", having access as well. Something alan would be intereested in no doubt. Have you seen the stick on alan?

Hope Ghost was able to do something with what you gave ...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

yah i sent the info to alan. hopefully hell get it fixed. im leaving the 100 in the poker account, and hopefully it just wont clear and itll be gone from the poker account.
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Legal and moral issues aside, your intentions were good. Read up and join the fun. Armed with the knowledge and tools you can find here, I have no doubt you could be a fine baiter. You won't make any money, but you'll have more fun doing it than you can at most things you have to pay for. Very Happy

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just a heads up on on-line poker. Even if the poker site is legit, the clients that play it for a living are not.

How to win at on-line poker. Get 3 buddies and try to get the same table. The 4th guy to join the table is a sitting duck if the 3 in the same room openly share their hands. It is a well known operation. This is another good reason to stay out of online poker. Your chances of being the 4th in a table of 3 sharing hands either in the same room or in chat makes your odds dismal. Ever play and feel an opponent can read all the hands? Good chance he can see 3 of 4 hands and deal accordingly.

I found this out the same way I found out about baiting. Lots of reading.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Cheque scam!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ghost wrote:
We all do things we regret later.


No shit! I once had sexual relations with a Puerto Rican hooker and...



...never mind, it's a long story.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Agent1002 wrote:
just a heads up on on-line poker. Even if the poker site is legit, the clients that play it for a living are not.

How to win at on-line poker. Get 3 buddies and try to get the same table. The 4th guy to join the table is a sitting duck if the 3 in the same room openly share their hands. It is a well known operation. This is another good reason to stay out of online poker. Your chances of being the 4th in a table of 3 sharing hands either in the same room or in chat makes your odds dismal. Ever play and feel an opponent can read all the hands? Good chance he can see 3 of 4 hands and deal accordingly.

I found this out the same way I found out about baiting. Lots of reading.


This is totally offtopic but I want to make a correction here.

Online poker is not a scam. I am a semi-proffesional poker player (It's like a partime job while doing college) and there is nothing scammish going on.

What you describe (it is named collusion) is never going to work on real trusted sites. First, the pokersites will find out. If you play on Pokerstars or FullTiltPoker you do not have to worry about it, they are very good at finding these people. Second, knowing the other players cards (your friends cards) isn't really going to help you alot when playing the game. You should be more worried when playing real live poker, than playing online.

I know there are a lot of people who think poker is very stupid to do and it is just gambling etc, but if you do it right and you know what you are doing you can make alot of money.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Pastor Frank wrote:
Ghost wrote:
We all do things we regret later.


No shit! I once had sexual relations with a Puerto Rican hooker and...

...never mind, it's a long story.



And he hasn't been able to watch a rugby match since then.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm pretty sure this thread isn't about online poker.

I'm also certain that everything that needed to be said, has.

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