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Poll :: Do you think this is worth doing?

Good idea but have plate full already.
25%
 25%  [ 1 ]
Good idea, I can provide a resorce (database, website, email server for agents, etc
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Good idea, but I'm full now.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Bad idea. Count me out. I'm providing reasons below.
75%
 75%  [ 3 ]
Total Votes : 4


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I've been lurking for a long time and finally joined. This is my first post. After spending a couple weeks cruizing the recordings on 419hell and TSB, I was intrigued by the snowball given a lad here. Great job guys, well done.

Most of the attempts at reforming scammers is one at a time. I am looking at a possible nuke strike. I'm still working out the details, but here is the basic idea. Spread tons of Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to send may running for cover. To do this we need to convince the cafe users there is a huge pending bust and the cafe is full of moles monitoring everything.

The problems we face on our end is how to make a convincing approach to this.

To do this, it will take some organization. I'm thinking along the lines of an Internet Security Task Force. The task force will be a mass of Agents all using Gmail accounts, but blatantly using an Agent XXXXX format address.

The agents will recruit moles that will be given immunity only if they stop all other scamming. The agents are recruiting only 5 moles per cafe. Even if we get only one mole, we need to convince the mole there are at least 3 others recruited in the cafe. To get to be a mole, paperwork must be signed and returned. This is only done by snail mail. Mail must include a photo of the front of the cafe. Also required is a screen shot of the computer with your offer open on the screen and the network settings visible so the email headers and cafe computer can be verified. As a reward for being a mole, they get to take part in the reward for the cafe bust. The bust date is classified (forever). They will only get immunity in the bust if there is no sign of current scamming going on. They lose their immunity as soon as there is evidence of cheating. For example if they are a mole on machine ending in X.X.X.15 and they are busted with a personal on machine X.X.X.17, the bust stands for the crime.

To support this FUD campaign, we should have a period of organization. We will need someone to organize a database of agents and moles so there are no duplicates. The database should include geographic locatin of agents (for sending for gathering photos of banks, security companies etc) and another database of moles so we can assign each a unique ID number and track their phone numbers, persona's, IP addresses, which cafe, etc. We should focus on blitzing one country first and discard all IP's outside the area with a sorry position already filled, but if an opening comes up, may we contact you in the future? This would be added to the database. Can someone organize a members only database?

Not necessary, but nice would be an office phone system for the agents and moles using a SIP exchange. Is any user running an Astrisk phone exchange we may borrow some extensions and voice mail on? Having several voice mailboxes in many countries would go a long way in convincing the moles. Not all moles will be accepted. Moles can be slapped and discharged for filing fake photos, photoshopped ID, etc. Discarded moles will alert the cafe there is a pending raid and the timid lads will flee. Hardened lads will know the cafe is under surveillance. Photos inside and out, usernames, keyboard logging, etc is all being recorded.

This would be on top of any ongoing bait, so keep up your existing baits and see if any get cold feet.

Does anybody think this should fly?

I'm thinking along the lines of a 3 month infrastructure set up time to make agents, set up database, etc before our first mole requests. Does any one of the more experienced baiters want to take this on? I'm a noob and don't want to screw it up.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:19 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to eater, Agent1002! Very Happy

One of the big wheels will be right with you. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Agent1002 wrote:
Most of the attempts at reforming scammers is one at a time. I am looking at a possible nuke strike. I'm still working out the details, but here is the basic idea. Spread tons of Fear Uncertainty and Doubt to send may running for cover.


It's certainly an ambitious idea, but we don't attempt to reform scammers. We break them. We already spread fear, uncertainty and paranoia through their ranks with various dollar chops and rival scammers/hackers taking jobs.

To target a specific cafe will be difficult, plus any email coming from '[email protected]' won't be taken seriously. A lad will think you're another lad and know it's a fake.

Agent1002 wrote:
I'm thinking along the lines of a 3 month infrastructure set up time to make agents, set up database, etc before our first mole requests. Does any one of the more experienced baiters want to take this on? I'm a noob and don't want to screw it up.


Any project that is going to take anyone 3 months to build, to be honest, you'll end up doing it yourself. I wouldn't spend three months building something for you. Very Happy Hell, I wouldn't even spend three months building something for myself.

You could certainly refine the idea to target specific a gang of lads and create a level of mistrust, blaming other scammers using other terminals, but then you'd need to know the IP addies of that particular cafe have some inside info to convince them. I think you're in for a world of work for very little results.

I'm not stomping on your idea, but you could scale it down to something realistic. Nuke striking fear into lads, when you can't target a specific group will be difficult, and in the end disappointing. Especially considering that there are so many law enforcement agencies across many countries that scammers operate. The don't fear the laws of other countries because they know they are untouchable. Even convincing a group of lads in Lagos using one specific IP that the EFCC will be raiding a cafe next Tuesday may get them to not turn up, or just go elsewhere for the day.

We tackle them one at a time, or in groups because we can. After many weeks of gaining their trust we introduce them to all sorts of fear and paranoia.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:50 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi Agent1002 and welcome to Eater.

One of the Golden Rules of scam-baiting is "Never do more work than your lad".

That basically means, you get the lad to do all the running whilst you lie back and tug a few strings now and again. Like NN, I don't want to shoot your plan down, but that seems like a heckuva lot of work for what would seem to be a minimal result.

Maybe scale back a bit? And anyway, you might find out that precise, surgical strikes on lads are much more satisfying than nuclear ones. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is a hugely inventive idea and you are to be commended for it, we all stretch our imaginations to the limit to create the most ridiculous while believeable scenarios to get our lads off script. However I must echo the sentiments above, this would mean a huge amount of work and lad psychology conditions the lad not to fear law enforcement as their experience of law enforcement is non existent.

I am all in favour of mass organised actions like this, and if it comes to pass I would love to get involved. I think you would have better luck motivating them with cash rewards for snitching than just the threat of arrest

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Apart from the problems NN has pointed out, getting a lad to snitch is going to be very, very difficult.

Snitch and get caught over there and you lose your life. The incentive would have to be massive and utterly convincing. You may hook one or two, but I doubt there would be a large scale lad exodus.
More likely is that the lad would just bullshit you.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I too am concerned in the difficulty in getting moles. This is part of the reason for the LONG set up time. The set up time would be time to set up a database and create an index of IP addresses used by various letters so we could start grouping scams to IP blocks and possibly by cafe. It's a ton of ground work. The next step would be to assign an agent or more to each block of IP addresses. On another side front, on the Geocaching website an "Unrelated" travelers assistance set of virtual caches would be set up to assist travelers in finding public internet access. There would be no mention of that on our end. There are very few geocachers in Nigeria with only 2 caches listed in the country. Some of our regular baiters would bait lads to use GPS equiped phones to post cafe locations and prices so field aid workers, travelers, etc can locate a place to send and receive mail. Part of the geocaching infrastructure permits posting pictures, so lads can be sent to find caches and post photos of them.

In our lad slap portion, we would use the photos posted to spot fake photos and such. Cross referencing photos sent us with photos of cafes, with screenshots with machine IP addresses with email headers will go a long way when we launch the mass bait. The lads will have a choice, join, quit, or "get busted". The dates of the busts will be on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.

In the lad recruitment phase we need to find lads with camera phones, cameras and GPS phones. We may be able to get a few to find the existing caches in Nigeria, place a few of their own and then list public internet cafe's for travelers. This phase would be done completely separate from "Agents" Agents will of course know nothing about the geocaching site.

Maybe 3 months is too long to set up. Maybe it is too short. My hope is to have a solid data base going with geographic locations of internet cafes with their IP block, hours of operation, and going rates. This info can be used against a mole that is working with an Agent and is still sending out and working a vic. If they believe they have been truly infiltrated, we may see many of them flee. That is the goal.

Are any of you geocachers? I have been at it for over a decade. I have one cache in my area that I own.

Info on caching;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching
The caching site;
http://www.geocaching.com/
A typical virtual cache in Abuja Nigeria;
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f692bcdf-8ae3-4809-b18d-e98c2ae37689
Getting your pets to visit several cafes and posting photos will both verify their basic location and verify or prove false cafe locations. Naturally our Agents won't know anything about the geocaching.

The ultimate prize will be for anyone that can get a mole to install this.

With enough data, the BS filter will be very strong. Agents will slap lads for submitting any BS photoshopped document, etc. They are professionals at this, not mugu vics.

Agents would not ask for ID such as real name, passport, drivers license, etc. Agents are more interested in protecting the ID but the agent will need to send the mole a certificate by snail mail to keep in his wallet for any possible bust. Wink That of course will have the moles real name on it. The mole must use the same name as is on his other ID to work for immunity in a government bust. Wink Agents are OK with a mole working with a persona. The certificate will be sent with the working persona and real name. That part comes later. Does anybody have a credit card or work ID card printer? Printing a credit card type official ID to send these guys would go a long way to sending something official by snail mail.

I have no database experiance. I have no webmaster experience which is why I am hoping to recruit those with the resources to set up a web accessible database that all agents can securely log into and update. Is there anyone that could set up a relational database on mysql on apache?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Dude, you are being way too overambitious. We're just people indulging in a hobby, not a law enforcement agency.

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