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NickTheCop
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Raga Man wrote:
BTW, my boy-toy isn't buying the safari to meet my brother-in-law in Savannah

Lad wrote:
PIf he has the money cash and ready then he shd be able to do three or four deposits in boa.


But when you send him the money and the transfer doesn't go through, how else are you to make the payment? Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This lad is confusing. First he says he wants to meet you at the Atlanta airport. Then he asks you which airport is closest to you. Then he says you have to get him at the Atlanta airport, and in the same paragraph asks for the airport name. Then he says Savannah is too far.

What's with him, anyway? Confused

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm not street-savvy enough to know where a Crips 'hood is in Atlanta. Since he is apparently an Atlanta local, I expect he would know where this is and maybe the significance of the red bandana (which, I suspect, is the mark of rival gang). Definitely NOT a risky-free venture for him!

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If he or she doesn't accept to come or make depoit then you may have to depoit 1000 for me so I can rent a truck and head out to him tomorrow. But pls let this be a last option


Since when is a "brother-in-law" a she and what kind of "diplomat" rents trucks? Shocked At least he is thinking about making the trip to Savannah.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Raga Man wrote:
what kind of "diplomat" rents trucks? Shocked

The recession has been kind to no one.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey, Nick... since you are very adept at getting lads on safari, got any ideas on how I can encourage him to make the trip to Savannah and put on a live show for us?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I get that a lot. Laughing

...I jest, I jest.


The trick to getting lads on safaris is pretty simple. You just have to make them believe that:
A) you have the money and are naive enough to part with it
B) the ONLY way - or the easiest way, if the story allows - they can get the money is by traveling to a specific location

Never treat your baits like aims or goals. That creates a dependence on the lads and, believe it or not, like dogs smell fear, lads pick up on dependence. So, at all times, even if you'll be getting something from the lad, you need to make him feel like he is dependent on you and you couldn't care less if this falls through. Don't just flat out say it, though. That won't help your cause. Instead, simply plant the idea in his mind.


If you want more "direct" help, I don't mind making some phone calls to your boi. Lads love my silly voice. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks. Good advice. I may take you up on the direct contact thing. He does want my "brother-in-law" to call him. I probably need to do a little more set up work on him, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

We had a meet a couple of years ago with a scammer in Atlanta. It was prearranged and the Atlanta PD were notified. Great pictures were taken of the meet including an Atlanta baiter posing WITH the scammer. He pretended to ask directions. No response from APD. Easier to issue traffic notices than attempt a jurisdiction nightmare.
Go for the "meet" though and I'm sure there are street cams there. Wink
PS> NOT a real meet.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nice work, Jeff, you "HOPLESS HUMAN BEING" (sad thing to be without hops). Your experience just confirms it isn't worth the trouble to try to involve the police.

Think I'll go have a beer so I don't wind up hopless like you Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:53 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I know it is a long shot but I suspect a lad in Atlanta has a chance at being a non- U.S. citizen. This opens the door to ICE and their cyber crimes division. If he has defrauded some one and they can connect him, the previous case and current attempts, his status in the U.S. might land him back home on the most unfavorable of terms. It never hurts to let an agent know what is going on incase they can act. 866-DHS2ICE is the general, public intake number. The least they can do is take the iformation they get from you and say we will look into it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Why get him arrested and miss out on all the potential fun?!

I think Jose's webcam suggestion is the best way to get his Holidays off to a great start!! Just let us all in on the meet time so we can watch the show!!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:40 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Fryer wrote:
Why get him arrested and miss out on all the potential fun?!


Um... because that might protect some actual victims from getting scammed by this guy? Rolling Eyes Personally, if I had the choice between baiting a lad and getting him thrown in jail, I'd go with the option that saves his real victims even if it means I miss out on a little fun. Razz

That said, I agree with the general consensus here that there's a snowball's chance in hell of even getting a police report written, let alone having him arrested before the crime has actually taken place.

So I'm all for the webcam safari in this case. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@Nick...

Quote:
If you want more "direct" help, I don't mind making some phone calls to your boi.


I'd like to take you up on your offer. I just sent you a PM about this.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Jammy wrote:
Um... because that might protect some actual victims from getting scammed by this guy?


Facetious - 2: meant to be humorous or funny : not serious

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^ Sometimes it's hard to tell here. Thanks for clarifying.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

No worries, it's all good.... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:34 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So he is in Atlanta Georgia and you are waiting for him in Atlanta Texas with all that lovely money.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

@raga Could you PM me all his details? Phone #, name, company in Atlanta. Everything you have on the guy.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Any updates on this?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:21 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ The lad's line went to voicemail the few times I tried. I'm going to wait until the holiday season is over for him to get back to "work".

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

NickTheCop wrote:
Raga Man wrote:
I'm not a cop or an attorney but I would think attempt to defraud is a criminal act. That could be demonstrated rather easily.

Demonstrated how? If bullshitting people on the internet was a crime, then we'd all need to be in hiding.


Looks like I'm a bit late to this discussion, but:
18 USC Sec. 1349 wrote:
Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense under this chapter [of laws against fraud] shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ Talk doesn't cut it. You must remember that there actually needs to be a case to go to court. When I say "case", I don't mean that the crime has to exist (which it obviously does). I mean that a prosecutor would have to have all of the information and, with it, convince a jury (every last member) beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant WOULD HAVE really done it. The best defense would be, "I was just kidding, your honor".

Don't get me wrong, it's not impossible, but the failure rate in such a case would just be too high for the DAs to even pick it up. But I guess that depends on your county. I know it would never happen in Sac County, for example. Most minor possession charges here don't even go to court, and that's WITH all of the evidence.

There are also many other factors. One could write a book about this, but I'll just stop here.




DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. Take everything I say with a grain of salt.

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Safari Safari Nodo - Lagos to Cotonou - with P.P3t3rs
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Sand Timer Safari Safari Safari Broda Michael - 1500km/900mi - Lome to Lagos
-I LOST EVERYTHING THAT NIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF YOU.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:27 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote:
convince a jury (every last member) beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant WOULD HAVE really done it.

"I was just kidding" doesn't sound like it would hold up in court, especially with the usual "my grandmother died" "that's nice, now hurry up and send the money!" crap we tend to get from lads. As the emails would show (you did print out the emails for evidence, right?) the lad was trying to get the baiter to send money to pay nonexistent fees to get a fund that does not exist. Not looking good for the lad's case. Then again, I'm not a lawyer either.

If nothing else, it might get in the news and raise awareness of scams.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

foo123 wrote:
If nothing else, it might get in the news and raise awareness of scams.

At what cost? Trials may seem "free" because no one is asked to pay fees for them, but they are very expensive. That money has to come from somewhere, right?



foo123 wrote:
"I was just kidding" doesn't sound like it would hold up in court.... As the emails would show (you did print out the emails for evidence, right?) the lad was trying to get the baiter to send money to pay nonexistent fees to get a fund that does not exist.

E-mails are weak evidence, especially for a crime that never happened. As silly as "I was just kidding" sounds, there's really not much the prosecutors could counter with. By that same token, couldn't YOU find yourself on trial for promising lads great things?




I really don't want to get too far into this because, again, I'm not a lawyer. If you truly are interested in this topic, I suggest you get someone that works in your district (prosecutor, judge, investigator, assistant, whatever) and talk to them about it. You'll get the best information that way, and find out how things work in general. This may sound incredibly nerdy, but it's a very educational thing to do.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

^^ All valid points. I must concede this argument to you Sad

Did any of the other interesting ideas from this thread ever happen, by the way?

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