How to Bait and Trap Scammers at Their Own Game

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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:22 pm

It's time we get down to some serious baiting here. Here is the scenario. When a scammer starts asking for money, what should the next step be? Question

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:40 pm

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150757

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:46 pm

Hi Kasey Co,

You'll find a lot of your questions are already answered in the forums here - I strongly suggest you do some reading around and you'll get lots of ideas Smile

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:53 pm

It is about time we had some serious baiting done here.

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I always send the exact amount they request, but with it coming on to Xmas, like to add that little something extra

But then again - I have never read a sticky/guide nor requested a mentor.

Wink

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122306

Trophy Videos · Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:48 pm

Cathartic Kate wrote:

But then again - I have never read a sticky/guide nor requested a mentor.

That's only because you are a brilliant female, and that fact definitely has it's advantages. Heck, now I see "Tags are not important!" That confirms it. Wink

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:09 pm

Slap (Not a number - just the coolest cat ever)

I think very highly of you as well.

Wink

My post was just a little cheek full of tongue. "Алекса́ндра Коллонта́й" style - if you will.

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I am a student of phemomena - this one "post milestone" I have noticed with some frequency.

When a particular poster, usually very new, reaches a notable plateau; only to slip away and go find the teleportation orb beneath the floating Scourge citadel of Naxxanar.

But I delight to be proved wrong.

Laughing

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:40 pm

manbiteslion wrote:

Hi Kasey Co,

You'll find a lot of your questions are already answered in the forums here - I strongly suggest you do some reading around and you'll get lots of ideas Smile

Can't I just wait for the movie instead? Wink

I had glanced through the list and frankly I am a bit weary about using lies to trap a liar. I also have a time limit here. I will definitely need some help, make that a lot of help, so I will be able to trap the scammer before he get away.

If you are an experienced baiter, please PM me and I will give you the details. Mad

It make me mad whenever I see someone like this scammer taking advantage of innocent people's trusts and faiths.

I think he deserve the justice treatment. With your help I hope we will bring him exactly what he deserves.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:13 am

I've seen the movie and the book was so much better.

I'm really confused Casey. We do serious baiting. We have an entire forum dedicated to breaking lads. We have serious goals that we achieve through humour. There is no difference, or anything more or less important between anything anyone does here to break lads. We all contribute, and that's the bottom line.

Also you'll need to do more than just glance. If you have limited time for baiting, then reduce your workload to a single bait. Yes you will have to lie to a lad. It doesn't make you bad. We have to lie through our teeth in order to waste their time and efforts.

Basically we destroy the confidence in their business, we frustrate them, make them paranoid, de-educate and occasionally humiliate. In order to do this we lie. We create the same illusion they attempt to build and use their own weapons against them. There is nothing wrong with it. You're human so deceit will come naturally. The difference is we're the good guys. We don't profit or expect anything in return. Think of it as creative justice.

If you have personal objections to baiting then don't do it. Or, if you have a revolutionary way to trap scammers without resorting to 'sting' tactics I'd be interested to hear.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:13 am

CaseyKo, don't think of baiting as lying. Think of it as writing fiction. Wink

Elite Baiter Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Posts: 1192

I don't know about your advice NN. I mean, maybe CaseyKo could try the honesty approach. It would be quite refreshing. For example,

"Dear scammer, I have no interest in giving you any money, but I do plan on wasting your time and money and hopefully ridding you of any ideas of every being successful at your trade. Also, if lucky, I will also give you a wonderful tattoo at your expense as well as have you make me a wooden carving you will ship at your own expense. I will never pay you for any of these things and I will continue on until you finally refuse."

I think you should try this CaseyKo. Let me know how it works for you. J/K...just havin' a little fun. Like NN said, if you can come up with a way of baiting successfully without lying I would be all ears.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:44 am

Thanks for your input. You had given me quite a bit to think about.

Make note to self - Draft the scammer as the main star in my new drama.

I could do that since I am a part time author. No published work as yet but who knows, right? Wink

Hmmm... An idea is slowly forming in my head. I will need to set up some false accounts, some fake IDs, a dramatic fictional scenario and some creative ways to convince the scammer to pay his own "service" fees. I do know I have his undvided interest since his language skills had actually gotten worse as we draw closer to completing the transaction. I had just received his so called fund transfer application from the bogus bank. He expects me to respond immediately. I wonder what will happen if I turn silent for, say, four days? Will he panic and try to convince me to respond by lowering or even drop the fees thinking I am an easy mark that might decide to leave? Twisted Evil

IOW - give him the silent treatment so to speak. I will keep you posted as the drama unfolds. Stay tune, folks. The drama is almost ready to begin...

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:53 am

Please don't send the scammers any fake IDs. They will only use them on real victims. No matter how ridiculous you may think they look, they will likely work on a victim in another country.

Please read the Forum Rules & FAQs

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:27 am

^^ I understand what you are saying. This however lead me to some very important questions. I must somehow protect my confidential information from the scammers including my real identification, SIN, driver's license, passport; etc. How do we protect our own interests without compromising the safety and security of the public from the scammers without revealing our real IDs in order to prevent the scammers from using the information in new and future scams?

May I daresay it's a very vicous circle of events that, if we are not careful, could come back to haunt us. Crying or Very sad

Elite Baiter Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Posts: 1192

This is why it is very important to read the tutorials. Spend an hour in Eater Univ. It is time well spent. The fine people here really can save you time if you just read up first.

Baiting Guru Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 18313

When jose says we don't recommend sending fake ID's to scammers, he also mean we don't recommend sending ANY ID's to scammers. There are plenty of ways to get out of actually sending anything. These are detailed in the various sticky topics around the forum. Try the sticky topics in Scambaiting help first.

I'll try to find a link to something specifically about ID's for you as it's come up many many times. (it's probably included in the topics in scambaiting help).

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:11 am

The only thing that I ever send a scammer is the false hope of fast money. All I ask for in return is for him to send me his bank account information, which I promptly pass on to Alan in hopes of getting it shut down. For me, that is serious baiting. And, I rather enjoy it. Razz

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:54 am

CaseyKo wrote:

May I daresay it's a very vicous circle of events that, if we are not careful, could come back to haunt us. Crying or Very sad

Not at all. I have never used any of my personal details with a lad so there will be no repercussions. Keep yourself anonymous. Never provide anything to a lad that he can reuse, and tomorrow the sun will still come up.

Sure a lad can bitch and moan about being treated unfairly, but that's the mentality of a scammer for you. Full of irony.

I'm confident the only vicious circle/haunting will be the look on a scammers face when he suddenly realises he really shouldn't have taken pictures of himself naked with a goat, or emailed them.

As we've all said. Read. Read and read some more. Then if you feel like it. Bait your hook.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:52 am

CaseyKo wrote:

This however lead me to some very important questions.

Read the forum. Seriously. Read it.

Go to the Eater University and read that too.

We all had to start somewhere. That somewhere begins with reading.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:23 am

Slightlyoutofit wrote:

We all had to start somewhere. That somewhere begins with reading.

I'll second that.

Casey: Read up on "Straight Baiting" in the Eater University, develop some patience, and contribute to the cause if you are able. Feel free to ask questions and share your results along the way.

Master of Master Baiters Joined: 26 Sep 2008 Posts: 689

Nurse Nasty <b>can't</b> reveal any details. It's way to pornographic for a PG-13 site like this .... Laughing

But making a lad wait a few days for information he needs immediately is always a good ploy.

Advice - don't get complicated too soon, you will loose him. Keep the cash dangled like a tasty carrot, he'll keep straining for it.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:27 pm

Thank you to you all for your excellent suggestions and advice. I admit I had made a bad mistake by using my real name and real address in the first response message to this scammer. I must now perform some damage control and get him away from my real location. My current plan of action is to convince him I am going to move down to the states and it will take me some time before I can respond again. I will continue dangling the money in front of him and see if he will bite. Then I will snare and package him for delivery to the authorities. Unfortunately the local law enforcement officials doesn't seem to be taking my fraud alert very seriously. They hadn't responded to my inquiries as yet. Crying or Very sad

Is this the typical response from law enforcement officials? How should I approach them and convince them this scammer is real and he is trying to steal from me? It is one of the puzzles I must figure out if I am to give this scammer exactly what he deserves.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:56 pm

If you've been using your real details. Drop him.

Block his email and he'll go away. Any scam email you get in that account you delete.

If you wish to bait, you'll need to create fake details about an imaginary person and start fresh.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:45 pm

You might also want to sign up for a mentor - a one-on-one source of answers, advice, and assistance. You can bug a mentor all you want and they have to put up with it. Wink

[off-topic]I love your avatar![/off-topic]

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:21 pm

(off topic) Nurse Nasty, who was your plastic surgeon? He did wonders for your... err...avatar(s)! JP

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:27 pm

Slightlyoutofit wrote:

We all had to start somewhere. That somewhere begins with reading.

i disagree. not everyone started by reading the stickies.

however i think it's true to say that those that didn't regretted it later, or never got anywhere with their baits. Wink

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