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Nurse Nasty
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

We're back on the Chad bait? Does anyone care about all the innocent fruit and vegetables I have sacrificed in the name of baiting? Melons, Banana's and poor defenceless grapefruit.

Personally I think this thread needs some Global Warming. Without a discussion on this subject we're all going to be in the dark about this mysterious problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I totally agree with Mugu_eater and Slightly. My credo is no mercy! That doesn't mean i'm doing this out of revenge but to try to divert the lads from real victims. I'm not a sadist either but to read that my lad is really pissed off by something i made him do really makes my day.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@Slightlyoutofit believe it or not I agree with you. I have not a doubt in my mind that the majority of the scammers wouldn't hesitate to steal a dying child's hospital money, after all the specific guy was going to Chad thinking he was about to rob a church. And the safari was hilarious. All I was saying was that I do not believe in the death sentence, and I would feel that leading a lad to his death would be, for lack of a better phrase, a little off, despite the fact that he brought it upon himself. As I said though, I felt worse for the innocent guy who got conned into driving him across Chad, and getting dragged into the scambait, rather than the scammer.

Anyway, I've only been here a month and the ethics topic is already getting old. Laughing For those who have been here for years: I understand how annoyed you guys would get at these threads.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote:
s I said though, I felt worse for the innocent guy who got conned into driving him across Chad,,

As I recall he got paid. Driving across Chad is what he did for a living and so long as he wasn't mislead by a baiter into thinking there was money at the end of it there that didn't exist I have no problem with that.
Inocent driver gets paid and feeds his family, two scammers are left streded hungry and broke in a war zone, all's right with the world.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Let's abstract this briefly before the lock arrives, just to reset the problem - if I own a shop and you buy a newspaper from me, am I responsible for where you got the money? There's no coersion involved. Out of laziness, greed or a criminal attitude you may have stolen something to get the cash, but I did not coerce you.

Baiters lay a trail of breadcrumbs that only appeal to criminally minded types, the criminal ALWAYS has a choice, nobody is threatened with murder (unlike hitlads), lads get themselves into trouble, we just make it easier for them to do so.

There will always be "but what if"s, which is where it comes down to your own compass, the point is there are no hard fast rights and wrongs (except cash baiting, which literally brings us sown to their level!)

I've been told to prostitute my teenage daughter to pay scammer fees, frankly a voluntary holiday in another country is chickenfeed by comparison.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I know there's no right or wrong answer when it comes to ethics as everyone's views are different.

If you guys had read properly, my question was also on the legal side. The main question is would we get dragged in if they get into any mishap or unfortunate incident while doing something we ask them to.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh goody, an ethics thread!

Oh wait, you want legal counsel? I'm sure there's a good barrister around here who will be happy to answer your question, for a fee of course.

Legally could there be ramifications? I can hear it now, "Yes, my husband went to Abeche and died in the desert. I want to sue the TWAT church and for his pain and suffering." Hmmmm, let's see....nope 100% risky free to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well a little less sarcasm would be great.
Thanks though Mr barrister.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ok fine...

If we can't extradite a scammer to this country for felony offenses, then how in the heck do you think a scammer's survivors are going to sue Daffy Duck and Reverend Benjamin Dover?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Great thats all i needed to know.
Lets close this dam thing and carry on with our lives.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Jeff wrote:
A lad on my only safari was killed in a car accident.


I thought you got a special icon for your siggy if you managed that?

IMHO if you don't end up starting an ethics thread, you're not baiting hard enough Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm batting about 0 for 5 right now on fatalities. Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Lock up an ethics thread? and lose the sarcasm? Okay, you can have one, but not the other.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Arthur.

To my knowledge, no scammer has yet been lured to his death by a baiter (not for want of trying on my part though).
What you're talking about here is a hypothetical - it hasn't happened in all the years that baiters have been about that we know of. Therefore, the "death sentence" part of your statement isn't really relevant. Wink
Maybe if someone comes up and says "Hey, I just got a lad killed" we can cross that bridge and talk about Capital Punishment. Wink

You'll hear this time and time again in this sort of thread and it really is the best advice - "If you're not comfortable, don't do it".

Criticise others for trying to do it though and you're opening a can of worms. Everyone has a differing opinion on how far they should push things. That's probably why any Ethics thread doesn't seem to last long around here.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Just want to say thanks to whoever posted the link to the Great Chad Safari.

Best and funniest reading I've had in ages, and I'm only on page 26. Laughing

As to the ethical side, I believe that if someone gets hurt or killed while attempting to commit a crime deserves whatever befalls him.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:46 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

iamlovinit05 wrote:
If you guys had read properly

Hmmm complaints about sarcasm countered by pomposity...

Anyway, rising above it for a second, you'll find 419Eater is part-owned by a practising legal counsel. I'm sure he's more than considered this issue, let's say. Bait away and in peace Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If a lad tells you to go somewhere, you can go, which might be dangerous, or not go, which might make your character and your story less plausible. I hope you would choose safety and not go. I'd say the same things apply to safe scamming that apply to safe baiting.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I honestly have no interest what becomes of a scammer once he's hooked. It's nothing but greed masked by stupidity once they start spending huge amounts of money on travel, music videos and cafe expenses. Nothing in life is certain, all that a baiter does is delay his greed and hopefully put the lad into a position of not inflicting damage onto the innocent. If this involves bankruptcy, humiliation, injury or death, the blame falls onto the lad and nobody else. Would a lad feel remorse for a victim that got into a car accident on the way to the WU? I seriously doubt it...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Would a lad feel remorse for a victim that got into a car accident on the way to the WU? I seriously doubt it...


Yes, he would, but only because it would mean he'd lose a payment. Now if the victim got killed after making the transfer, that wouldn't be an issue (as long as he gets the MTCN first).

Shiver once did a fantastic bait in which he was talking to the lad on his cell phone and got run over just as he was approaching WU. The lad heard the whole thing, thanks to some clever sound effects and lots of screaming. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't think baiting a lad into a dangerous situation can be compared in any way to a death sentence. The lads have a choice to not go. I'm pretty certain that death row inmates don't have any choices left. Wink
If a lad goes into a dangerous situation in his attempt to steal, it's not a punishment for previous choices. It's a self induced punishment for current choices.

Edit: It's also not a matter of certain death for the lad.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

One of my friends fell victim to a romance scammer. I don't think these people are punished enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A couple of coworkers have fallen for fake check scams. We give these scammers the closest thing to justice they will experience, at least in this life.

Welcome to Eater by the way. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks, I have been a lurker for some time. I don't think I will have the spare time to bait, but I am really glad you guys are here doing this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:22 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome Crazy Cat Lady! Very Happy I'm glad you decided to post your story. It is the victim's stories that keep the fire going. I am sorry that it happened.

@ Black Dog, Great minds think alike... Very Happy Please don't get in a fight with CCL above!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Perhaps we could recreate the Shiver ploy of being run over during a WU trip.

In the new version, the baiter would just have send the WUxfer, and be phoning the Lad to give him the good news (and the MTCN). He is then struck by a runaway van, and collapses to the pavement.

But, as he begins to expire, he tries to give the Lad the MTCN "3....7.. (cough)... 4... aagh, my leg... (cough) (splutter)...."

Would the Lad tell him to take it easy and relax, or would the Lad ask him to hurry up with the damn MTCN before he died?

They don't care what happens to us, so I don't care what happens to them.

And forget all the cr*p about "descending to their level" -- that's just mealy-mouthed apology for the scammers' crimes. Mad

Having said that, the rule is simple: If a baiting action would make you uncomfortable, don't do it.

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