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Twist420
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Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:11 am |
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The first contact was made through Yahoo Personals. At first, her profile was still in the “Under Review” status. Within a couple days, it said it was deleted by the user. It said Nadya was from Brownsville which I mistook for Brownsville, MI since I am from Michigan.
A few e-mails later she told me she was from Krasnogorskoye, Russia. This was also false since a search of the IP address she was using was found in Yoshkar Ola, Russia. The IP address changed every couple e-mails which meant she was performing this illegal activity from several computers, possibly internet cafes or even re-routing IP addresses if she is skilled at computers.
I should have realized something was wrong because her profile was deleted, she was not from Brownsville, and she almost never answered my questions. I originally figured it was the language barrier. I ignored the signs for several reasons. I wanted it to be true and the letters were so detailed including pictures of her with her family. She sent a letter every single day for 12 days that always included at least 2 pictures. I admit, she had me fooled and I was falling for her. However, when she was so conveniently granted holiday in a couple weeks and needed money to visit me, her new love of less than 2 weeks I was suspicious and did some internet investigating. I told her I could not afford the money right now and that was the last letter she sent for two days. Once I told her I could get the money, she miraculously started writing again. I am still in contact with her as of Oct 8, 2009. It won't be much longer because my check was due today so she is expecting it soon. I am making her wait a few more days as I have to wait 3 days for the check to clear (lol).
From other anti scam forums, I have found the same pictures and letters using the following names and e-mail addresses:
Marina; [email protected]
Alina Vsegda; [email protected]
Yulia: [email protected]
Lubov: [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Here is the first letter I received after I replied to her Yahoo Personals contact:
From Nadya
Thursday, September 10, 2009 1:50:25 PM
From: Nadezhda <[email protected]>
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Hello XXXXXX!!!
To me it is pleasant that you have not left my message without the answer.
In my letter I would like to tell to you more about me directly.
I very sociable person, but unfortunately at me am not enough friends,
Because in my life so it turns out that I cannot find the present and devoted friend.
Tell to me, at you it is a lot of friends?
I would like to find the friend and even more than the friend.
I know that men from your country very serious because you have a lack of good women.
I am right?
At me as the lonely girl, has desire and intention to meet at last my partner in life and to construct with it family relations.
I have decided to write to you only because you have very much liked me. But from your profile I did not manage to learn you well.
In this letter I wish to tell to you about my life. To me of 29 years.
Already on October, 16th to me 30 years will be executed, and the fourth ten my life will begin, and looking on it,
To me is sad to recognise that for these years I have no own family and still I live with my parents.
All my acquaintances say, what I look young, but I would like to know your opinion, what you think of my appearance?
I really constantly care of the appearance and health.
It will be interesting to me to learn, what you appreciate in the woman? I mean by it not only appearance but also character traits!
XXXXXX where you work?
I think that to you will be as interestingly to learn about my work.
4 years I work as the inspector in militia.
ON work I am engaged in education of youth of minor age.
It is very difficult work which occupies many physical and intellectual forces, but not looking on it, I see sense in this work,
I a supporter of an order also do not want that the future generation grew the criminal.
Certainly I understand that all depends on education in a family, and basically it is children from unsuccessful families,
But I try to correct it because it is sense of my work.
To be arranged for this work to me it was necessary to finish police academy.
We in a city do not have any institute, because my city rather small.
My work means good knowledge of psychology and as I in it did successes I and has decided to choose such sort of activity.
I think that all in our hands and only we can choose as our relations will develop.
I will give the chance to you to learn my life in the maximum degree and is final with the big sincerity.
You can tell to me about your life everything, all will be for me interesting.
XXXXXX, I hope that this letter will be interesting to you.
As in this letter I send you some photos, I hope that they will like you.
Write to me that you think of my photos.
It is interesting to me to know that you think of my appearance.
XXXXXX, I wish as to see more than your photos.
I hope that my text without serious errors because I tried to write it attentively.
My knowledge of language not so is good, and I hope, that for us it will not be a problem to understand each other.
I hope that you will help me to improve knowledge of English language.
On it I will finish the letter to you.
I hope to receive from you news again.
I will soon wait from you for e-mail.
Your new girlfriend Nadya.
Here is the request for money for Visa, passport and airfare:
From Nadya
Monday, September 21, 2009 1:02:38 PM
From: Nadezhda <[email protected]>
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Hello my love XXXXXX!!!
How are you???
At me all is remarkable.
As I also promised to you, today I have visited travel agency and have learnt the information on travel to you.
I think that the information for us important to know even if it will be impossible to meet for us.
The employee of agency has explained me all in details.
At first I need to make all papers it is required about 6 days.
I will need to issue the visa and the passport. Only with these documents I can go to you.
All it for me will make agency, I only need to pay for it 545$.
Also that all has been successfully executed and that the visa has
been approved under the contract it is required to pay at once the approximate price for flight,
That after performance of documents I could order flight to your nearest airport (which you to me will tell) that you could meet me
The approximate prices for plane flight in your country costs nearby 1040$, there and back.
Thereby you see that all trip will cost approximately 1585$.
When I left travel agency that at me there was an awful mood as I have understood that to me not to cope with this trip,
As at me now very difficult financial position.
It is real that you have stretched me a hand and we could meet in my vacation?
Your answer very important for me.
I think that together we are able that that to undertake and meet on my vacation.
It is very important for me as I have fallen in love with you.
I would like to appear near to you though for an instant, any letter would not replace an instant of a meeting.
You agree?
Favourite XXXXXX, now I will finish the letter and I will look forward to hearing from you.
I hope that you will have good news to me.
I love you my prince XXXXXX.
Your future wife Nadya
Here is the letter after I declined to pay:
From Nadya
Wed, September 23, 2009 1:53:54 PM
From: Nadezhda <[email protected]>
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Dear XXXXXX
I understand that this amount is very big for us, but you understand that this is our chance to be together and be happy.
It is very important, because if I can not see you I can not live on this earth. I am even now in very great disorder.
And all because of what? I think it's all because of money.
I do not know what I do, I am lost and very upset ...
Here is the letter when she claims she doesn't know how I can send her the money.
From Nadya
Sat, October 3, 2009 7:11:44 PM
From: Nadezhda <[email protected]>
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Dear XXXXXX I am very pleased to read your letter? but I forgive him
for forgiveness for what I wrote you some time, because I really have
been some difficulties, and in particular the problems with the
internet, but I hope that you will not be very angry with me))
My love for you has no boundaries, you're everything to me! and for
your sake I am ready to do anything! we are both waiting for the 7th
of October, because in this day is known about the meeting. You ask
how can you pass me the funds, but I do not know, because I do not
have a bank account and I do not know what it is. But sending mail is
very dangerous, there is a very big chance that it may be lost,
because a lot of letters and parcels lost.
Tomorrow I will need to go to the bank and I can learn about what
you're able to send me funds. I hope that it will not create problems to us.
I totally agree with you that the first child in the family must be
the son, because he will take care of his sister and protect her. This
is very good. I really want to have a baby from you, because children
are flowers of life from them, our family will be even stronger.
I hope that soon I see your letter. I love you!
Your Nadya
This letter shows the stupidity of scammers. If you notice the date, it is Sunday. Actually when I got this, it was 3:15AM Monday morning in Yoshkar-ola. She said she went to the bank earlier that day. What bank is open on a SUNDAY. How stupid
From Nadya
Sun, October 4, 2009 7:15:47 PM
From: Nadezhda <[email protected]>
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Hello my loved XXXXXX
I am happy that you have agreed to help me with payment of my trip and performance of my dream.
I am am overflowed with feelings after all our meeting now I am possible also that of it is very happy.
Today I have woken up in very good mood, my mum since the morning has prepared pancakes
And we with it drank tea and talked about you and about my plans))
I have learnt today all concerning that as you can help to pay to me all.
There is such system of remittances as Western Union which allows to help people on distance.
I think that if you go to your bank and learn about this system you will understand as to help me.
As to me the manager of bank has told, that from me some data that you be required to you
Could carry out transfer of money. I give them to you:
Name.......... Nadezhda
Surname...... Zhirkina
City............ Yoshkar Ola (It is the most nearest city to me in
which there is a Western Union).
The country.......... Russia
The bank address...... AK BARS BANK
VASHSKAYA, 11
Yoshkar Ola, 424000
You should give to me also the data and tell to me when you can help me.
Favourite XXXXXX, I very much love you and with impatience I will
wait for that moment when you will meet me at the airport.
As soon as I receive your help, I at once the same day will begin preparation of documents.
I am happy that soon I will see you, you have made me the happiest woman on the earth.
I love you my prince XXXXXX.
I hope very soon to receive from you the letter.
Yours Nadya. |
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weareborg
Elite Baiter
Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 1112
Location: out there in the wide blue yonder
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:14 am |
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Nice going Phil, well spotted, and welcome to Eater.. I hope your not using any of your own personal details with this person, If you are drop it now and put a block on her e-mail details..
Just because she asks for money does not mean it's all over if you don't send any.. it means it's just starting, if your intent on running with the bait.
I would suggest you read the Sticks in this section, they will help you with idea's and way's of avoiding sending any money {b] NOT that your about to send anything anyway[/b]
You can start a run of questions on what Western Onion is, how it works and where to find it. If they tell you you can pay via the internet, change the subject and talk about the weather. But there's all sorts of delaying tactics, that can last for weeks if you play it right. And that's the idea to take up as much of there time playing silly buggers as you can..
Read a few of the posted baits and you will get some idea, of how to delay the delayable, Everything from Flash floods, hold-up's public holidays, Fire , earthquakes, power cuts, car breakdowns, trees accross the road, the list of excuses is endless. And remember, theres always 10 reasons
why you can't make the payment to every reason she has to pay.
Perhaps you could also take the time to post your encounter, with an scripts, photo's she has sent you, together with the e-mail headers, please take your personal details of them first, to our sister site scamwarners, then others will benefit from your knowledge.
There's a link to Scamwarners at the top of the page.
Also if you need any destructive idea's, or anything else, please simply ask,, we are a friendly crowd really |
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Twist420
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:06 am |
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Thanks Weareborg,
Unfortunately I had given her my name, phone number, and the name of my town prior to realizing it was a scam. That was during the first few e-mails when they weren’t reading my letters yet so hopefully they can’t find them. She now reads them and replies so they are reading them now that they think I am sending money.
I have already had them waiting for at least 3 weeks. First, I had to cash 401K money and that took 10 working days. Tonight I replied I received the check (it’s been over 2 weeks already) but now I have to wait 3 more working days for the check to clear. Next, I think I will come down with H1N1 swine flu. Scamming the scammers is actually kind of fun. Western Union is how she suggested sending it. I know quite a bit about it since I searched them on the internet. I even included in one of my letters to Nadya that the $1800 I’m sending her will cost me $1914 with all the fees. I also know the confirmation number is a 10 digit code. Everything I’ve told her would be true if I was really going to send her anything. This way if they checked on it, it makes it believable (like the W.U. fee, the waiting period for cashing 401K, time for the check to clear).
This has taught me about many things like IP traces/mapping, re-routing through proxy, scamming, language translations, etc. I can now spot these scammers immediately. In the past week, I have had 2 new scammers contact me. I cuss them out in 6 languages in my replies. It proves they do not read them because they still write really sweet letters every day.
Right now I am downloading all the pictures I have on Photobucket so I can post them here. Unfortunately I could not just download them directly on the site. I have posted this girl on 3 other websites already. Tomorrow, I will add her to Scamwarners too. The more sites I add her to the more likely it is potential victims can find it and avoid being scammed. If I help even 1 person avoid being hurt or scammed out of money, it will be worth my time. |
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Murry Guru
Baiting Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 5561
Location: Turned into Ralph
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:26 am |
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Hi Phil, great to have you join in.
As Weareborg mentioned, you need to stop baiting this scammer, (for now at least) read the sticky that's in my signature line and if you want to learn more there are more topics in the Eater University that relate to vlad baiting.
I will keep an eye out for your profile at Scamwarners and help if you need it through my other identity
When you do set up your photobucket account, please be sure to set up an account that does not include your real information and keep only baiting related photos on it.
One final thing
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Scamming the scammers is actually kind of fun |
Lots of people see baiting as scamming the scammer but few here will agree with that, we dont scam them at all, we dont steal from them, we simply make them use their resources on trying to steal from us, huge difference |
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Twist420
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:21 am |
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Thanks Murry,
I'm reading some of the sticky right now. It's very intersting. Unfortunately, I made some mistakes but all before I realized I was being scammed (like my phone number, picture, etc). I guess I mis-used the term scamming the scammer because I am only taking up their time. That was me being a nooby and not knowing the correct terminolgy.
What does it mean in the sticky about not cash baiting?? Believe me, I have no intention on being a baiter at all except for this scammer. I want to waste this ones time since they wasted my time as well as my feelings until I figured it out. They never would have e-mailed me back 3 weeks ago unless I offered to send the money. Maybe this is because I am a nooby, but hopefully I will figure it out as I read more. |
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Murry Guru
Baiting Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007
Posts: 5561
Location: Turned into Ralph
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:34 am |
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Cash baiting is when you get the scammers to send you cash, that would be "scamming the scammer"
We all make mistakes early on, dont be too concerned.
It's not advisable but if you must, follow the instructions on setting up a new baiting email address with gmail and start fresh.
I still think you are better off to practice on a new scammer first though |
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Click to learn how to romance bait Click to get your name in mugu gold
Got info on a scam vic? PM a mod Recieved a scam warning? Say "thank you, I am a baiter"
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Twist420
Hello I'm New here!
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:48 am |
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I thought it meant don't lure them by promising them money. I was afraid I was currently doing one of the don'ts;-). I will never try to get money out of them. I'm definitely no thief, just want them to waste time.
I don't think I have anything to worry about regarding my IP. It traces from all over my state because I am on wireless.
I'm thinking I might change my sign on name. I don't think I've really ever used this name, but, it is part of my real name;-( I guess wasn't thinking about that. |
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Murry Guru
Baiting Guru
Joined: 11 May 2007
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:34 am |
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To change your username you will need to PM one of our admins with your new username
As to your IP, my IP will lead anybody who cares to find out to one of 4,000,000 people, you could narrow it down by half by presuming I am male but still, that is quite safe enough.
The big advantage of using gmail is I can tell my pets that I am anywhere in the world and even the smartest of lads wont be able to tell |
_________________ "I want to hold your hand and let you scream at me while you bring our child into this world"- Linda Lopez
Bait with Frumpy on the hitman "i though we are partners in this and now u turn around to stub me on the back"
Click to learn how to romance bait Click to get your name in mugu gold
Got info on a scam vic? PM a mod Recieved a scam warning? Say "thank you, I am a baiter"
Ruin your pets day, post their details at scamwarners
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Twist420
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Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:57 pm |
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