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re-act
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi,
I just got this mail on my regular account
Quote:
yo mate, ok I`ll give you my trick but if you give it someone else I`ll fuckin kill you Smile
you know in roulette you can bet on blacks or reds. If you bet $1 on black and it goes black you win $1 but
if it goes red you loose your $1.
So I found a way you can win everytime:

bet $1 on black if it goes black you win $1

now again bet $1 on black, if it goes red bet $3 on black, if it goes red again bet $8 on black,
if red again bet $20 on black, red again bet $52 on black (always multiple you previous lost bet around 2.5)
if now is black you win $52 so you have $104 and you bet:

$1 + $3 + $8 + $20 + $52 = $84 So you just won $20 Smile

now when you won you start with $1 on blacks again etc etc. its always bound to go black
eventually (it`s 50/50) so that way you eventually always win. But there`s a catch. If you
start winning too much (like $1000 a day) casino will finally notice something and can ban
you. I was banned once on royal casino. So don`t be too greedy and don`t win more then $200
a day and you can do it for years. I think bigger casinos know that trick so I play for real
money on smaller ones, right now I play on lucky jackpot casino: w w w.golde nslots casino. net for more
then 3 months, I win $50-$200 a day and my account still works. You`ll find roulette there when you log in go to
"specialty games" - "american roulette". And don`t you dare talling about it anyone else,
if too many people knows about it casinos will finally found a way to block that trick. If
you have any questions just drop me a line here or on skype.

c ya


> Hi frank.
>
> Please tell me when you will send me your roulette trick?
> You promised you`ll send it few weeks ago Sad
>
> Thanks in advance.
>


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Delivered-To: ****@****
Received: by 10.231.14.129 with SMTP id g1cs437440iba;
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.224.19.198 with SMTP id c6mr2892388qab.30.1249890602299;
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from 209.85.221.24 ([78.39.115.10])
by mx.google.com with SMTP id 32si4670268qyk.99.2009.08.10.00.49.03;
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 78.39.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of [email protected]) client-ip=78.39.115.10;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 78.39.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of [email protected]) [email protected]
Received: from 206.131.645.087 (atr.interaxel2.com) (206.131.645.087) by mta253.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:46:06 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Accept-Language: en
X-Priority: Normal
From: "frank" <[email protected]>
To: Email address snipped. 7/9
Subject: Re: yo mate
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:46:06 +0100
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
X-Mailer: 3.2.8-39 [Feb 9 2006, 16:24:13]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Seems to come from Iran Confused

I'm 100% sure I never sent that "Frank" any request for his "roulette trick". What's the point here? Advertising for this online casino?

Be safe, and have a nice day!

Edit : added headers

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Yep we've all made millions from that trick and the casinos are going bankrupt all over the world from it. Las Vegas is closing down due to the bankruptcies. Online gambling has stopped as it's no longer profitable for them all Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ontheroadagain wrote:

I'm 100% sure I never sent that "Frank" any request for his "roulette trick". What's the point here? Advertising for this online casino?

Exactly! I've had similar emails . The advice is worthless.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:52 am Reply with quoteBack to top

@ontheroadagain,
I removed your email address from the message headers and broke the link up. It's spam, just delete it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh, the "To:" field wasn't mine. I had to be in BCC. But thanks for the "keeping an eye out" 7of9. (and congrats getting banned from membership BTW! Smile )

We all get that the advice is rubbish, but I don't gent the point of this spam. Other spams are advertisement for pharmaceutical websites, or other websites selling things. But this...

Well, anyway, it's just something that got me wondering. No biggy!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:39 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The real problem is you could very well run out of cash before you finally win. A string of 10 loses is what, a 9000 Euro / Dollar Pound bet - so you need about 18 K just to stay in the game. If I recall, most casinos have table limits so a 9K bet at a table that starts with a minimum of 1 may not even be possible.

It's an old variant on the fill a chess board with money, starting with a penny on the first square and doubling the previous amount on each follow on square.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

^^^ if you simply double your lost stake for the next roll ... you will eventually win your original $1 investment in total thats why the "proposal" is to increase by more than 2.0 each time.

You don't often meet destitute casino owners do you?

The scam or con is to simply get you playing on their site and giving them your money.

There is a way of making a limited amount of money using the new member free bets some online bookies offer, it's complicated, it's difficult to follow, it takes a lot of time, the payback doesn't justify the time you put into it and you only have to make one small slip and you can lose a lot of money.
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stereomonkey
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I've gotten a bunch of those in my catcher account...
I replied to one saying
Quote:
Back off guymen, Im tyring to work here

lol
and the next day when I checked it again I had like 5 more emails of that scam in there haha.
Seems they're trying to mess with me Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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and the next day when I checked it again I had like 5 more emails of that scam in there haha.


Nope, as 7/9 said, it is just spam - all you did by replying was indicate that your email address was a valid one, which is why you received more. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

that advice can work, but its stupid. any roulette table ive played on has 0 and 00 on it. so realistically your chances of getting the right color are less than 50/50.

if you lose and just keep doubling down, at somepoint, the casino will probably ask you to leave.

other than that, yes its spam
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is just an advert for online casino's. It recommends a guaranteed trick and gives you a link to a site it works on.

Of course the trick doesn't actually work and the site that just happens to be mentioned, more than likely it's them sending out the email, end's up making money from anyone naive enough to follow the advice.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

The doubling bet method is called the Martingale bet, and this scam is mentioning one of its variants. I would disagree that the casinos would ask you to leave if they caught you betting that way. They love it. As long as you are betting money on the table, casinos know they will make their money in the long run.

As someone else mentioned, all it takes is the inevitable bad luck streak that will either drain your bankroll so you can't afford to make the next required bet, or you run into the table maximum that prevents you from betting the full amount the method requires.

I'm sure there are people who have made money using this method but you need a certain amount of luck. Which is the way it always is at the casino.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Moved here from Main.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I was once interested enough to simulate this trick, because it isn't obvious that it doesn't work (except that casinos make money of course.) The 0, and in the USA, 00, don't make much difference. The fact is that you cannot beat the odds by spreading a bet, as the bankers have just found out.

It fails because there is always a maximum amount you can bet, and when the system requires you to bet more, you lose the lot. It doesn't happen often, ten reds is 1:1024, but often enough to wipe out all the small wins you make in the meantime.

The 50:50 bets are the fairest on the table. I imagine trying a 2.5 multiplier would just make it fail worse - fewer plays until you hit your ceiling and greater losses when it happens.

The green numbers might just tip the balance between breaking even on average and going down every time.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

limburger wrote:
I'm sure there are people who have made money using this method but you need a certain amount of luck. Which is the way it always is at the casino.


I believe this is beautifully illustrated by Darren Brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX94fV4TWbc&feature=fvst

It's not Martingale he's attempting, but it works kind of similarly. If you don't catch the trick he's attempting, the system appears to be brilliant until it's exposed.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

thud419 wrote:
I was once interested enough to simulate this trick, because it isn't obvious that it doesn't work (except that casinos make money of course.) The 0, and in the USA, 00, don't make much difference. The fact is that you cannot beat the odds by spreading a bet, as the bankers have just found out.


To be anal, what bankers found out is that you must properly identify and quantify risk in order to control your exposure; and then properly spread the risk out amongst those that are willing to take it in exchange for a (large) payment.

Unfortunately for the bankers the assumptions they made in assessing the actual risk were wrong and resulted in problems that not even Chuckie S's millions could solve.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Speaking of roulette, did any of you see that Nicholas Cage movie, Next? Cage played a guy who could see 2 minutes into the future. Predictably, he lived in Las Vegas and used these powers to make money at blackjack. Which seems like an okay way to go.

What I don't understand is why he didn't play roulette? Seems like if you always, unfailingly knew where the ball was going to land, you could make a lot of money on roulette really quickly. What is the payout for betting on one number and getting that number? The only exposure to roulette I've ever had was in the video game Dragon Quest 8, where a roulette bet like that would give you 28 times your wager.

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