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 Apartment scam: last-minute epiphany

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello all,

I'm new to this forum and I joined the community because I almost fell for a scam. I was looking for a student apartment in Utrecht (the Netherlands) and spotted a cheap and spacious apartment in the city center.

A certain 'John Govas' was glad I was interested and provided me some extra info on the apartment and included some nice pictures. He indicated he was in Manchester now for his work and would need to send the keys and contract by express mail. He suggested using a TNT service where I would be able to get the key after sending 800 euros to a local TNT agent. I would have 2 days to check out the apartment and then decide if I wanted the TNT agent to return the money and send back the key or keep the key and transfer the money to John Govas.

Surprisingly, since I consider myself a rational and cautious skeptic, my greed blinded me and only at the local Western Union office I got my doubts, returned home, and googled Western union scams. I'm glad I did! Since I'm new to scambaiting but interested in getting back to this guy, I'd appreciate any advice.

Here's a selection from the emails he sent me:

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John Govas to me:

Thank you for your interest.As you can see I have available the apartment located in Oudkerkhof, Utrecht 3512AK, Netherlands.It has 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen and 1 living room.Because I moved with my job in United Kingdom, Manchester and I need money to pay the rent here. This is the main reason I want to rent at this price and also to find a good person for my apartment.I can rent you the apt for max. 5 years because I have a contract here for this period. I `m the owner of the apt and its like in the pics. The rent for 1 month is 400 Euro, but you must to deposit 800 euro/2months (for the whole apartment) including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I `m the only person who have the keys but I hope that we will find a compromise.
Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.
Good luck,

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Hi again,

Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I'm in Manchester already. Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for 2 month of rent will be 800 euros , with no extra taxes to pay. The money, I want to revive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to check it, and see if you like it.
Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast as well. The solution is provided by a company called TNT which is similar to FedEx, DHL or UPS, which will handle both payment and delivery of the Keys.
I have found a procedure that will allow you to pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the TNT website to see how we can complete the deal safely and fast directly from the website of the
company where the procedure is explained: http://www.tnt.com/express/en_gb/site/home/services/express_delivery.html
Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care of this matter.

PS: This is the pictures of the apartment

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2737/20457366.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8463/53590804.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7208/80015849.jpg

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I want to inform you that TNT will hold the money until you will confirm to them that you like the apt and keep the keys. If you don't like it, you only have to return the keys to them after they will refund the money to you and they will deliver the keys back to me on my expense.
I will need to inform you the steps about how this service works and how we can make it happen. You will only have to deposit to TNT Service for 2 month of rent 800 euro so they can proceed with the shipping, and you can receive the keys and the contract.
Like I said, I will pay for a 2 days delivery so you will receive the Keys and the contract signed by me right away. I will explain to you step by step how this will work:
To start this transaction i will need to know your full shipping information, full name, full shipping address to proceed with this deal .
I go to the TNT Office and leave the Keys and the contract in your name as the intended receiver.
TNT will check the envelope to see if everything is OK with it and also the legal papers that will come along with the Keys.
TNT will send you a delivery notification to let you know they have the Keys and the papers in their custody, in which you will be told that they have the Keys and that they checked it.
At this point you will have to go to a WesternUnion Agent Location and make a money transfer deposit on the TNT agent name assigned with this transaction for the amount we agreed, the total amount you shall deposit is for two months of rent.
After you make the deposit you will have to send the infos about the money deposit to TNT (Reference Number, sender's name and address)
TNT will verify the payment informations and if everything is in order they will deliver the Keys and the contract to you .
After you receive the package, You will go and check the apt and in 2 days you must contact them and tell them if you keep the apt or not, if everything is in order you will instruct TNT to release the funds to me.
If you don't like the apt they will send your money back and you will send them the keys and the contract to them to return the package back to me on my expense.

I will pay TNT Service for the shipping and you will pay WesternUnion for the Money Transfer fees.

Now i must know for sure if you agree because here are a lot of peoples interested to have this apartment rented and i want to know for sure what i must tell them. If you agree what i suggested i will tell them that my apartment is already rented and i will keep it for you. If you agree then i must have all the shipping details so i will be able to make all the arrangements for the TNT delivery.

Thank you for your interest and wait news from you.
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And then I got a message from 'TNT Delivery' ([email protected]), complete with TNT logo.

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Welcome to TNT Global Air Express
Our company is the WORLD market leader in Global Air Express and international mail services.



04.08.2009
Third Party Service reduces risks associated with Internet transactions by acting as a licensed neutral third party for online transactions. The seller delivers the package to one of nearest TNT Global Air Express agents for the evaluation of contents. The package will remain in the company custody until the receiver will send the payment through a Money Order Service (WesternUnion Service). After verifying the funds, TNT Global Air Express is ready to ship the parcel to the designated address.

NOTE: We order to avoid the earlier pick up of the funds by the shipper based on fact that he is aware of the sent payment - we are thanking you for choosing our third party service for your transactions - which will be revealed to the shipper along with all the transaction details after the delivery and your clearance. Consider this security measure if you haven't bought from the seller before and you believe that this is in your best interest.

Address Information:

Ship To:

[my info]

Shipper:

First name
John
Last name
Govas
Address
PO Box 27
City/State
Manchester
PostalCode
M60 1SJ
Country

United Kingdom




Shipment Information:
Service
TNT Global Air Express
Delivered By
2 days



Description of goods
Apartment Keys and rental contract verified signed by the Sender. Owner of the apartment in: Oudkerkhof / Utrecht / 3512 AK / Netherlands. All the papers are double checked.
Declared Value
800.00 EUR
Shipping Costs

0.00 EUR

NOTE: You will receive the Tracking Number after the payment is confirmed to us.

Package Information:

Apartment Keys and rental contract verified signed by the Sender. Owner of the apartment in: Oudkerkhof / Utrecht / 3512 AK / Netherlands. All the papers are double checked.

Insured Value Amount: 800.00 EUR



Payment Information:

Important!
Payment information: (How to pay)
Locate the nearest WesternUnion Office nearest you : (available here)
Make the payment using money transfer to our TNT Agent name listed below and send the total amount of : 800.00 EUR

First name
Thomas
Last name
Elferis
Address
194 Chapel Street
City/State
Manchester
PostalCode
M3 6BY
Country

United Kingdom

Pay for the transfer with cash at a local WesternUnion agent.
Once you sent payment, please email us the following information`s:

* 10 digit, MTCN number
* Sender's, full name and address
* Receiver's full name
* The total amount you've sent
Once you sent payment, please email us the payment details. ( [email protected] )



Warning!!! The payment must be made using WesternUnion . We will not confirm any payments made online. The payment must be made at one of WesternUnion Agent Locations, in person by the Buyer.

Intellectual and other property rights to the information contained in this site are hold by TNT Global Air Express B.V. with all rights reserved © 2009
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I called TNT and they confirmed the email and the service itself was bogus. What should I do now (except refraining from paying the 800 euros Laughing )?

Thanks in advance for your attention and replies!

Best,

PewPew[/b]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Welcome to Eater PewPew.
Glad you found out in time it was a scam.
Report the guy to scamwarners.
Hoep you're not baiting with RL details Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Glad something rang your alarm bells! Smile

The Manchester postcode M60 1SJ is for the BBC's TV studios ....

It may be possible if you have the original emails from this scambag to give a more likely true location. You will need to post the header data from his email. The Netherlands is a good lad hotspot, as is the UK ....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:42 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

If the scammer has your personal details, the best course of action is to cease all communication with him.

If you want to have fun wasting the time and resources of scammers, get yourself a "safe" email addy - IP-stripping and with fake details - and start reading stickies. Visit Eater University and sign up for a mentor, and then give the scammers a jolly good time. Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:49 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I checked the header data, but somehow it doesn't display the usual 'received from' IP, only the 'received by'. Basically, all I know is his email-address ([email protected]).

All personal data he knows from me are my email address, name, address, zip code, telephone number and mobile phone number. I never gave my account number or a copy of my ID. Should I undertake any action besides reporting him at scamwarners and ceasing communication with the guy?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

As he's using gmail, you won't get any useful information from the header. That's why a lot of baiters use gmail. Wink

Unfortunately, there's not much any law enforcement can do about scammers like this - their location and identity are unknown. Reporting the story to Scamwarners will serve a very useful purpose, however. The email address and name the scammer is using, along with the name and email address of the "agency" will be visible to search engines, so anyone who googles them will find your account and know it's a scam.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi PewPew, Welcome to Eater! Please see Clair's response to your post over at Scamwarners.

The [email protected] email address is coming from a fake site that was recently registered. I posted it in the site killing section.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:01 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey PewPew. Welcome! Do some reading and you will know how do deal with the next scam that comes your way!!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hi PewPew and welcome to Eater!

[email protected] does NOT like me and replied to my 'innocent' inquiry with the following:

Quote:
sami sugi pula ba : )))


The headers are showing 172.158.33.179 Germany, but I don't believe that is German.


Quote:
Delivered-To: @gmail.com
Received: by 10.210.89.3 with SMTP id m3cs423122ebb;
Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.100.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr11725138anb.88.1249477893271;
Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com (web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com [74.6.114.47])
by mx.google.com with SMTP id c23si2678343ana.8.2009.08.05.06.11.32;
Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:11:33 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.6.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of [email protected]) client-ip=74.6.114.47;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.6.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of [email protected]) [email protected]
Received: (qmail 76681 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 13:11:31 -0000
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
X-YMail-OSG: 0hJwV0wVM1lXRhOFJ_.pkZVURG7otv0V8D.RGEBo73E3rOOP
rnE3yUkDOWLw9AuQaFbzUtK32PG5a6a0uT08B4mGJemyxKHI5c
MSxZ3NcAAqFIYJ0niO11bQpsCy5JJ_zKLVvXm2A8P6EOdLM7WVLGy2WL
X9t6cpbfwlJ3SEvKPKBcjvmW.Ec3tOjKVKj5abyqk4bFN.hE0r484WpxPjwcD
QUZCU.Ny6RhVBFRXuYGsAiiLOuAS98ox2bdsTiMkjJxodAsqpPGLXCbj9Af2QXZTkIDSKb6axDsQmMUKluzdCBfW4
Received: from [172.158.33.179] by web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:11:31 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: TNT Delivery <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Payment Information
To: JD<@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-686627392-1249477891=:74266"



The closest google translate could come up with was Romanian:

Quote:
ba sami suck dick:)))


I don't think he believed I sent him the payment information. Shocked

Hope he is happy when someone kills his domain. Very Happy

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